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Terryray

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Yuval Levin (a more thoughtful and intelligent writer than Helen Searls) has a fine piece on partisanship over at Newsweek. some excerpts:

The persistence of partisanship is inevitable?yet it should not disappoint us. While bipartisanship has its virtues?it remains the best means of pushing through politically painful reforms?partisanship is not a vice. At its best, the partisan fray expresses the maturity of our political life; and even at its worst (which is to say, most of the time) it is a better way to govern ourselves than the pursuit at all costs of an elusive technocratic consensus.

Our deepest disagreements coalesce into two broad views of human nature that define the public life of every free society. In a crude and general way our political parties give expression to these views, and allow the roughly like-minded to pool their voices and their votes in order to turn beliefs into action.

To ridicule these disagreements and assert as our new president also did in his inaugural that "the time has come to set aside childish things" is to demean as insignificant the great debates that have formed our republic over more than two centuries. These arguments?about the proper relationship between the state and the citizen, about America's place in the world, about the regard and protection we owe to one another, about how we might best reconcile economic prosperity and cultural vitality, national security and moral authority, freedom and virtue?are divisive questions of enormous consequence, and for all the partisanship they have engendered they are neither petty nor childish.

They are the substance of the political life of a healthy and thriving democracy, and Barack Obama, whether he likes it or not, has just thrown himself into the middle of them all. We can all join him in the pursuit of the public good. But in a democracy that pursuit includes arguing over just what the public good might be.
 

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That's simply not true. At the time of day one? Yes. But after 9/11, things changed. I've never seen the country as united as it was in the 6-8 months following 9/11. There was across-the-board support (outside of the extreme fringes) for the attacks in Afghanistan. Would there always be philosophical issues? Of course. But "delusional hatred" is not accurate. It wasn't until the last administration used 9/11 to sped up the "invade Iraq" process that that partisan attacks started to really heat up again.

What was so fast about it?

http://www.worldpress.org/specials/iraq/
 

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That's simply not true. At the time of day one? Yes. But after 9/11, things changed. I've never seen the country as united as it was in the 6-8 months following 9/11. There was across-the-board support (outside of the extreme fringes) for the attacks in Afghanistan. Would there always be philosophical issues? Of course. But "delusional hatred" is not accurate. It wasn't until the last administration used 9/11 to sped up the "invade Iraq" process that that partisan attacks started to really heat up again.

Just a point... I don't believe the country was ever United... The Country was scared... Most of the wits in government didn't know what happened and still don't..... The press was right there with them... No ONE KNEW WHAT DAY OR TIME IT WAS... GOVERNMENT FROM THE TOP DOWN, USED FEAR TO GOVERN or GOVERNED BY FEAR....The success of the war on terror can be debated but many other aspects of the federal governments responibilities were neglected. If the Country was United : WOULD WE HAVE EXPERIENCED THE DOMESTIC ECONOMIC TERROR WE HAVE ALL WITNESSED ???? There was no leadership calling for SACRIFICE ... There were few economic patriots.... Power & money went after MORE, with no regard ... If you want to call flag wavers & lip service for support of the Troops united, you may have something.... It's shameful what we sent our boys into Iraq with and how we take care of them here at home as a Country... YES THERE ARE POCKETS OF GREAT AMERICANS WHO HAVE AND OUR DOING GREAT THINGS... BUT THE COUNTRY WAS NOT UNITED !!!!http://www.fallenheroesfund.org/... I have to give you one thing : The Country was united in fear & disbelieve...much of that still exist now... I don't know if it was 911 or our economy or both but America has not been the same... I'll give more credit to the State of the Union to the Domestic Terrorist... bin landen may have been the spark but we have to look in the mirror leading up to 911 and our response since....
 
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Just a point... I don't believe the country was ever United... The Country was scared... Most of the wits in government didn't know what happened and still don't..... The press was right there with them... No ONE KNEW WHAT DAY OR TIME IT WAS... GOVERNMENT FROM THE TOP DOWN, USED FEAR TO GOVERN or GOVERNED BY FEAR....The success of the war on terror can be debated but many other aspects of the federal governments responibilities were neglected. If the Country was United : WOULD WE HAVE EXPERIENCED THE DOMESTIC ECONOMIC TERROR WE HAVE ALL WITNESSED ???? There was no leadership calling for SACRIFICE ... There were few economic patriots.... Power & money went after MORE, with no regard ... If you want to call flag wavers & lip service for support of the Troops united, you may have something.... It's shameful what we sent our boys into Iraq with and how we take care of them here at home as a Country... YES THERE ARE POCKETS OF GREAT AMERICANS WHO HAVE AND OUR DOING GREAT THINGS... BUT THE COUNTRY WAS NOT UNITED !!!!http://www.fallenheroesfund.org/... I have to give you one thing : The Country was united in fear & disbelieve...much of that still exist now... I don't know if it was 911 or our economy or both but America has not been the same... I'll give more credit to the State of the Union to the Domestic Terrorist... bin landen may have been the spark but we have to look in the mirror leading up to 911 and our response since....

A very interesting point that I had never thought of. I was never a Bush fan. I felt, and I still do, that he stole the election. Bush giving tax cuts to the rich was expected. That was the type of thing we used to argue about. After 911 we did come together. (Probably in fear as you suggest) I remember Bush going to ground zero, Bush throwing out that first ball at Yankee Stadium and I actually felt pride. It wasn?t until Iraq that the whole thing started to fall apart. Not sure who you mean by the ?Domestic Terrorist.? I have my own theories on who they are but I do not wish to shift any focus from your thought provoking post.
 
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I said what I wanted about Bush. I voted for him once so that gave me the right. Same with his Dad and Clinton. But K C is right we can try to be nicer in how we say things. I still believe a strong 3rd party is needed.
 

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I said what I wanted about Bush. I voted for him once so that gave me the right. Same with his Dad and Clinton. But K C is right we can try to be nicer in how we say things. I still believe a strong 3rd party is needed.

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Saint called and said your spelling was great today !
 

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well..at least we can all agree that we must spend billions on the environment and global warming/climate change.....

/btw...what ever happened to that hole in the ozone layer?.....shouldn`t we all be dead by now?...
 

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--yep Scott remember your continuous "drunken sailor rant.

Consider this 1/4 of all all national debt will be incurred in 2009 --if he doesn't pass anymore bailouts--and thats not counting ssn or medicare.

In your best Georgia drawl can you give us a--

"You can an do it waterboy"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rAHnwWfsaY

:)

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I dont remember any rants

Did I do that ?

The line is Yes we Can !
 
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