Announcement from Ferguson Missouri
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Well this topic has transcended Mike Brown. I'd be the first in line (maybe right behind Joker) to persecute the police when there is a bonafide crime, but he said he feared for his life and after reading all the accounts and the forensic evidence details, I believe him.
yyz, remember the shopowners in the LA riots of '92? They were armed with AK47s to ward off the looters.
Cherry Blaster, what are you trying to say:
You gotta be crazy, you gotta have a real need.
You gotta sleep on your toes, and when you're on the street,
You gotta be able to pick out the easy meat with your eyes closed.
And then moving in silently, down wind and out of sight,
You gotta strike when the moment is right without thinking.
And after a while, you can work on points for style.
Like the club tie, and the firm handshake,
A certain look in the eye and an easy smile.
You have to be trusted by the people that you lie to,
So that when they turn their backs on you,
You'll get the chance to put the knife in.
You gotta keep one eye looking over your shoulder.
You know it's going to get harder, and harder, and harder as you
get older.
And in the end you'll pack up and fly down south,
Hide your head in the sand,
Just another sad old man,
All alone and dying of cancer.
yyz, remember the shopowners in the LA riots of '92? They were armed with AK47s to ward off the looters.
Cherry Blaster, what are you trying to say:
You gotta be crazy, you gotta have a real need.
You gotta sleep on your toes, and when you're on the street,
You gotta be able to pick out the easy meat with your eyes closed.
And then moving in silently, down wind and out of sight,
You gotta strike when the moment is right without thinking.
And after a while, you can work on points for style.
Like the club tie, and the firm handshake,
A certain look in the eye and an easy smile.
You have to be trusted by the people that you lie to,
So that when they turn their backs on you,
You'll get the chance to put the knife in.
You gotta keep one eye looking over your shoulder.
You know it's going to get harder, and harder, and harder as you
get older.
And in the end you'll pack up and fly down south,
Hide your head in the sand,
Just another sad old man,
All alone and dying of cancer.
With all the điffering accounts I have read I am sure the truth is somewhere in the middle. I believe Wilson to a degree. I think he's embellished his story since the original account. I don't believe Brown had his hand on his weapon nor do I feel a Wilson's life was in any danger whatsoever during the final volley. Brown had already been shot a number of times and by ALL accounts was bleeding profusely.
Most importantly, I think Wilson picked the fight. He stated he was on "high alert" because he was going into a poor black area that is known for trouble. Wilson also stated that it wasn't until after he ordered the two black men off the street that he thought he was a suspect, however that is not what was stated at the scene at all. Wilson claimed the deceased flipped him off when being questioned immediately after the shooting. So there are discrepancies.
Wilson is a white cop that shot an unarmed black man 10 something times. Also, there is no way, none, zero, zilch that a 6'4" 220 pound man feels "like a little boy being grabbed by hulk hogan" when in a tussle with a man only one inch taller and 60 pounds of fat heavier. Especially when the 6'4" is in solid shape as Wilson is. That was complete bullshit. Wilson wanted the fight. If he didn't he would have called it in prior to saying a damn word to the now suspect. He absolutely deserves to lose his job and he should never be involved in the justice system in any way. Is he a murderer, obviously not because this is white America and we only prosecute the blacks when a grand jury refuses to indict and social pressure wins the day. Wilson is certainly culpable in the death of Brown to any sensible normal human being, however as a police officer he will get a pass. What I mean by this is in a civil trial he would be guilty and owe the Brown family everything he owns for life n but he's a white cop that killed a black guy.......so it will never happen.
Brown was not a good person and certainly contributed to his death with his action. He didn't deserve to be shot on the street like a dog.
As far as riots and looting go, people look for any excuse to do dumb shit.
Most importantly, I think Wilson picked the fight. He stated he was on "high alert" because he was going into a poor black area that is known for trouble. Wilson also stated that it wasn't until after he ordered the two black men off the street that he thought he was a suspect, however that is not what was stated at the scene at all. Wilson claimed the deceased flipped him off when being questioned immediately after the shooting. So there are discrepancies.
Wilson is a white cop that shot an unarmed black man 10 something times. Also, there is no way, none, zero, zilch that a 6'4" 220 pound man feels "like a little boy being grabbed by hulk hogan" when in a tussle with a man only one inch taller and 60 pounds of fat heavier. Especially when the 6'4" is in solid shape as Wilson is. That was complete bullshit. Wilson wanted the fight. If he didn't he would have called it in prior to saying a damn word to the now suspect. He absolutely deserves to lose his job and he should never be involved in the justice system in any way. Is he a murderer, obviously not because this is white America and we only prosecute the blacks when a grand jury refuses to indict and social pressure wins the day. Wilson is certainly culpable in the death of Brown to any sensible normal human being, however as a police officer he will get a pass. What I mean by this is in a civil trial he would be guilty and owe the Brown family everything he owns for life n but he's a white cop that killed a black guy.......so it will never happen.
Brown was not a good person and certainly contributed to his death with his action. He didn't deserve to be shot on the street like a dog.
As far as riots and looting go, people look for any excuse to do dumb shit.
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Really?
He made a million bucks by killing a kid.
Fuck him. He was the clear winner in all this shit show. Guy sucked at being a cop had to fire 12 times to kill Brown.
But shame on "those animals" for rioting and destroying their own communities without a just cause....
White people rioting over stupid shit
Let's put those Ferguson pictures in perspective, shall we? Thanks @red3blog for posting these.
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Who told these people to calm down? And they were just reacting to sporting events and/or pumpkins.
Chris KluweVerified account @ChrisWarcraft
LOOK AT THOSE GODDAMNED THU- oh, that was in Huntington Beach after a surf competition.
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Denver, 2014. Because a football team lost.
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San Fransisco, 2012. Because a baseball team won.
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Vancouver, 2011. Because a hockey team lost.
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Keene, NH, 2014. Because pumpkins.
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Tennessee, 2010. Because Lane Kiffin was no longer going to coach their football team.
@red3blog @red3blog
Tennessee, 2010. Because Lane Kiffin was no longer going to coach their football team.
@red3blog @red3blog
Lexington, KY, 2012. Because a basketball team won a game.
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Boston, 2004. Because a baseball team won a game. One woman was killed by police.
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Boston, 2004. Because a baseball team won a game. One woman was killed by police.
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Chicago, 1979. Because disco.
Peace!
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White people rioting over stupid shit
Let's put those Ferguson pictures in perspective, shall we? Thanks @red3blog for posting these.
@red3blog @red3blog
Who told these people to calm down? And they were just reacting to sporting events and/or pumpkins.
Chris KluweVerified account @ChrisWarcraft
LOOK AT THOSE GODDAMNED THU- oh, that was in Huntington Beach after a surf competition.
@red3blog @red3blog
Denver, 2014. Because a football team lost.
@red3blog @red3blog
San Fransisco, 2012. Because a baseball team won.
@red3blog @red3blog
Vancouver, 2011. Because a hockey team lost.
@red3blog @red3blog
Keene, NH, 2014. Because pumpkins.
@red3blog @red3blog
Tennessee, 2010. Because Lane Kiffin was no longer going to coach their football team.
@red3blog @red3blog
Tennessee, 2010. Because Lane Kiffin was no longer going to coach their football team.
@red3blog @red3blog
Lexington, KY, 2012. Because a basketball team won a game.
@red3blog @red3blog
Boston, 2004. Because a baseball team won a game. One woman was killed by police.
@red3blog @red3blog
Boston, 2004. Because a baseball team won a game. One woman was killed by police.
@red3blog @red3blog
Chicago, 1979. Because disco.
Peace!
https://storify.com/betakateenin/white-people-riots
You think he should have called in prior to tell two guys to get out of the road? Do you really think cops call in for any and everything like that?
"Station 6, just letting you know I'm going to tell two black men to stop walking in the street."
Obviously, he was killed for stealing cigars!
No way was he shot because he attacked the cop in his car and tried to take his gun. Once that happened, he was then pursued, as he should have been. Then he charged the cop and was killed.
Some people are such goddamn morons!
yeh and Wilson has had 4 mths to be interviewed countless times by the best of the best
so when he did sit down , he would make no mistakes.
In fear of his life. Doing his duty. Thats the way I was trained. etc etc
If he was interrogated right after the incident by anyone besides friendlies , he would be
headed to the electric chair.
Wilson had been publicly silent since the events of August 9, when he shot and killed 18-year-old Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri. And, even as the grand jury announced its decision not to indict him, he remained silent. He had his attorneys release a statement on his behalf.
But on Monday night, St. Louis County prosecutor Robert McCulloch released the evidence given to the grand jury, including the interview police did with Wilson in the immediate aftermath of the shooting. And so we got to read, for the first time, Wilson's full, immediate account of his altercation with Brown.
And it is unbelievable.
I mean that in the literal sense of the term: "difficult or impossible to believe." But I want to be clear here. I'm not saying Wilson is lying. I'm not saying his testimony is false. I am saying that the events, as he describes them, are simply bizarre. His story is difficult to believe.
The story Wilson tells goes like this:
At about noon on August 9th, Wilson hears on the radio that there's a theft in progress at the Ferguson Market. The suspect is a black male in a black shirt.
Moments later, Wilson sees two young black men walking down the yellow stripe in the center of the street. He pulls over. "Hey guys, why don't you walk on the sidewalk?" They refuse. "We're almost at our destination," one of them replies. Wilson tries again. "But what's wrong with the sidewalk?" he asks.
And then things get weird.
Brown's response to "what's wrong with the sidewalk?", as recorded by Wilson, is "fuck what you have to say." Remember, Wilson is a uniformed police officer, in a police car, and Brown is an 18-year-old kid who just committed a robbery. And when asked to use the sidewalk, Wilson says Brown replied, "Fuck what you have to say."
WILSON SAYS BROWN REPLIED, "FUCK WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY."
Wilson backs his car up and begins to open the door. "Hey, come here," he said to the kid who just cursed at him. He says Brown replied, "What the fuck you gonna do?" And then Brown, in Wilson's telling, slams the car door closed. Wilson tries to open the door again, tells Brown to get back, and then Brown leans into the vehicle and begins punching him.
michael brown casket
Photos surround Michael Brown's casket in Ferguson, MO. (Richard Perry-Pool/Getty Images)
Let's take a breath and recap. Wilson sees two young black men walking in the middle of the street. He pulls over and politely asks them to use the sidewalk. They refuse. He asks again, still polite. Brown tells Wilson ? again, a uniformed police officer in a police car ? "fuck what you have to say." Wilson stops his car, tries to get out, and Brown slams the car door on him and then begins punching him through the open window.
What happens next is the most unbelievable moment in the narrative. And so it's probably best that I just quote Wilson's account at length on it.
I was doing the, just scrambling, trying to get his arms out of my face and him from grabbing me and everything else. He turned to his...if he's at my vehicle, he turned to his left and handed the first subject. He said, "here, take these." He was holding a pack of ? several packs of cigarillos which was just, what was stolen from the Market Store was several packs of cigarillos. He said, "here, hold these" and when he did that I grabbed his right arm trying just to control something at that point. Um, as I was holding it, and he came around, he came around with his arm extended, fist made, and went like that straight at my face with his...a full swing from his left hand.
So Brown is punching inside the car. Wilson is scrambling to deflect the blows, to protect his face, to regain control of the situation. And then Brown stops, turns to his left, says to his friend, "Here, hold these," and hands him the cigarillos stolen from Ferguson Market. Then he turns back to Wilson and, with his left hand now freed from holding the contraband goods, throws a haymaker at Wilson.
Every bullshit detector in me went off when I read that passage. Which doesn't mean that it didn't happen exactly the way Wilson describes. But it is, again, hard to imagine. Brown, an 18-year-old kid holding stolen goods, decides to attack a cop and, while attacking him, stops, hands his stolen goods to his friend, and then returns to the beatdown. It reads less like something a human would do and more like a moment meant to connect Brown to the robbery.
Wilson next recounts his thought process as he reached for a weapon. He considered using his mace, but at such close range, the mace might get in his eyes, too. He doesn't carry a taser with a fireable cartridge, but even if he did, "it probably wouldn't have hit [Brown] anywhere". Wilson couldn't reach his baton or his flashlight. So he went for his gun.
Brown sees him go for the gun. And he replies: "You're too much of a fucking pussy to shoot me."
"YOU'RE TOO MUCH OF A FUCKING PUSSY TO SHOOT ME."
Again, stop for a moment and think about that. Brown is punching Wilson, sees the terrified cop reaching for his gun, and says "You're too much of a fucking pussy to shoot me." He dares him to shoot.
michael brown sign
A protestors holds up a sign saying "don't shoot". (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)
And then Brown grabs Wilson's gun, twists it, and points it at Wilson's "pelvic area". Wilson regains control of the firearm and gets off a shot, shattering the glass. Brown backs up a half step and, realizing he's unharmed, dives back into the car to attack Wilson. Wilson fires again, and then Brown takes off running. (You can see the injuries Wilson sustained from the fight in these photographs.)
Wilson exits the car to give chase. He yells at Brown to get down on the ground. Here, I'm going to go back to Wilson's words:
When he stopped, he turned, looked at me, made like a grunting noise and had the most intense, aggressive face I've ever seen on a person. When he looked at me, he then did like the hop...you know, like people do to start running. And, he started running at me. During his first stride, he took his right hand put it under his shirt into his waistband. And I ordered him to stop and get on the ground again. He didn't. I fired multiple shots. After I fired the multiple shots, I paused a second, yelled at him to get on the ground again, he was still in the same state. Still charging, hand still in his waistband, hadn't slowed down.
The stuff about Brown putting his hand in his waistband is meant to suggest that Wilson had reason to believe Brown might pull a gun. But it's strange. We know Brown didn't have a gun. And that's an odd fact to obscure while charging a police officer.
Either way, at that point, Wilson shoots again, and kills Brown.
There are inconsistencies in Wilson's story. He estimates that Brown ran 20-30 feet away from the car and then charged another 10 feet back towards Wilson. But we know Brown died 150 feet away from the car.
There are also consistencies. St Louis prosecutor Robert McCulloch said that Brown's DNA was found inside Wilson's car, suggesting there was a physical altercation inside the vehicle. We know shots were fired from inside the car. We know Brown's bullet wounds show he was only hit from the front, never from the back.
But the larger question is, in a sense, simpler: Why?
Why did Michael Brown, an 18-year-old kid headed to college, refuse to move from the middle of the street to the sidewalk? Why would he curse out a police officer? Why would he attack a police officer? Why would he dare a police officer to shoot him? Why would he charge a police officer holding a gun? Why would he put his hand in his waistband while charging, even though he was unarmed?
NONE OF THIS FITS WITH WHAT WE KNOW OF MICHAEL BROWN
None of this fits with what we know of Michael Brown. Brown wasn't a hardened felon. He didn't have a death wish. And while he might have been stoned, this isn't how stoned people act. The toxicology report did not indicate he was on PCP or something that would've led to suicidal aggression.
Which doesn't mean Wilson is a liar. Unbelievable things happen every day. The fact that his story raises more questions than it answers doesn't mean it isn't true.
But the point of a trial would have been to try to answer these questions. We would have either found out if everything we thought we knew about Brown was wrong, or if Wilson's story was flawed in important ways. But now we're not going to get that chance. We're just left with Wilson's unbelievable story.
...........................................................................................................
its all in the prep work I guess
But on Monday night, St. Louis County prosecutor Robert McCulloch released the evidence given to the grand jury, including the interview police did with Wilson in the immediate aftermath of the shooting. And so we got to read, for the first time, Wilson's full, immediate account of his altercation with Brown.
And it is unbelievable.
I mean that in the literal sense of the term: "difficult or impossible to believe." But I want to be clear here. I'm not saying Wilson is lying. I'm not saying his testimony is false. I am saying that the events, as he describes them, are simply bizarre. His story is difficult to believe.
The story Wilson tells goes like this:
At about noon on August 9th, Wilson hears on the radio that there's a theft in progress at the Ferguson Market. The suspect is a black male in a black shirt.
Moments later, Wilson sees two young black men walking down the yellow stripe in the center of the street. He pulls over. "Hey guys, why don't you walk on the sidewalk?" They refuse. "We're almost at our destination," one of them replies. Wilson tries again. "But what's wrong with the sidewalk?" he asks.
And then things get weird.
Brown's response to "what's wrong with the sidewalk?", as recorded by Wilson, is "fuck what you have to say." Remember, Wilson is a uniformed police officer, in a police car, and Brown is an 18-year-old kid who just committed a robbery. And when asked to use the sidewalk, Wilson says Brown replied, "Fuck what you have to say."
WILSON SAYS BROWN REPLIED, "FUCK WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY."
Wilson backs his car up and begins to open the door. "Hey, come here," he said to the kid who just cursed at him. He says Brown replied, "What the fuck you gonna do?" And then Brown, in Wilson's telling, slams the car door closed. Wilson tries to open the door again, tells Brown to get back, and then Brown leans into the vehicle and begins punching him.
michael brown casket
Photos surround Michael Brown's casket in Ferguson, MO. (Richard Perry-Pool/Getty Images)
Let's take a breath and recap. Wilson sees two young black men walking in the middle of the street. He pulls over and politely asks them to use the sidewalk. They refuse. He asks again, still polite. Brown tells Wilson ? again, a uniformed police officer in a police car ? "fuck what you have to say." Wilson stops his car, tries to get out, and Brown slams the car door on him and then begins punching him through the open window.
What happens next is the most unbelievable moment in the narrative. And so it's probably best that I just quote Wilson's account at length on it.
I was doing the, just scrambling, trying to get his arms out of my face and him from grabbing me and everything else. He turned to his...if he's at my vehicle, he turned to his left and handed the first subject. He said, "here, take these." He was holding a pack of ? several packs of cigarillos which was just, what was stolen from the Market Store was several packs of cigarillos. He said, "here, hold these" and when he did that I grabbed his right arm trying just to control something at that point. Um, as I was holding it, and he came around, he came around with his arm extended, fist made, and went like that straight at my face with his...a full swing from his left hand.
So Brown is punching inside the car. Wilson is scrambling to deflect the blows, to protect his face, to regain control of the situation. And then Brown stops, turns to his left, says to his friend, "Here, hold these," and hands him the cigarillos stolen from Ferguson Market. Then he turns back to Wilson and, with his left hand now freed from holding the contraband goods, throws a haymaker at Wilson.
Every bullshit detector in me went off when I read that passage. Which doesn't mean that it didn't happen exactly the way Wilson describes. But it is, again, hard to imagine. Brown, an 18-year-old kid holding stolen goods, decides to attack a cop and, while attacking him, stops, hands his stolen goods to his friend, and then returns to the beatdown. It reads less like something a human would do and more like a moment meant to connect Brown to the robbery.
Wilson next recounts his thought process as he reached for a weapon. He considered using his mace, but at such close range, the mace might get in his eyes, too. He doesn't carry a taser with a fireable cartridge, but even if he did, "it probably wouldn't have hit [Brown] anywhere". Wilson couldn't reach his baton or his flashlight. So he went for his gun.
Brown sees him go for the gun. And he replies: "You're too much of a fucking pussy to shoot me."
"YOU'RE TOO MUCH OF A FUCKING PUSSY TO SHOOT ME."
Again, stop for a moment and think about that. Brown is punching Wilson, sees the terrified cop reaching for his gun, and says "You're too much of a fucking pussy to shoot me." He dares him to shoot.
michael brown sign
A protestors holds up a sign saying "don't shoot". (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)
And then Brown grabs Wilson's gun, twists it, and points it at Wilson's "pelvic area". Wilson regains control of the firearm and gets off a shot, shattering the glass. Brown backs up a half step and, realizing he's unharmed, dives back into the car to attack Wilson. Wilson fires again, and then Brown takes off running. (You can see the injuries Wilson sustained from the fight in these photographs.)
Wilson exits the car to give chase. He yells at Brown to get down on the ground. Here, I'm going to go back to Wilson's words:
When he stopped, he turned, looked at me, made like a grunting noise and had the most intense, aggressive face I've ever seen on a person. When he looked at me, he then did like the hop...you know, like people do to start running. And, he started running at me. During his first stride, he took his right hand put it under his shirt into his waistband. And I ordered him to stop and get on the ground again. He didn't. I fired multiple shots. After I fired the multiple shots, I paused a second, yelled at him to get on the ground again, he was still in the same state. Still charging, hand still in his waistband, hadn't slowed down.
The stuff about Brown putting his hand in his waistband is meant to suggest that Wilson had reason to believe Brown might pull a gun. But it's strange. We know Brown didn't have a gun. And that's an odd fact to obscure while charging a police officer.
Either way, at that point, Wilson shoots again, and kills Brown.
There are inconsistencies in Wilson's story. He estimates that Brown ran 20-30 feet away from the car and then charged another 10 feet back towards Wilson. But we know Brown died 150 feet away from the car.
There are also consistencies. St Louis prosecutor Robert McCulloch said that Brown's DNA was found inside Wilson's car, suggesting there was a physical altercation inside the vehicle. We know shots were fired from inside the car. We know Brown's bullet wounds show he was only hit from the front, never from the back.
But the larger question is, in a sense, simpler: Why?
Why did Michael Brown, an 18-year-old kid headed to college, refuse to move from the middle of the street to the sidewalk? Why would he curse out a police officer? Why would he attack a police officer? Why would he dare a police officer to shoot him? Why would he charge a police officer holding a gun? Why would he put his hand in his waistband while charging, even though he was unarmed?
NONE OF THIS FITS WITH WHAT WE KNOW OF MICHAEL BROWN
None of this fits with what we know of Michael Brown. Brown wasn't a hardened felon. He didn't have a death wish. And while he might have been stoned, this isn't how stoned people act. The toxicology report did not indicate he was on PCP or something that would've led to suicidal aggression.
Which doesn't mean Wilson is a liar. Unbelievable things happen every day. The fact that his story raises more questions than it answers doesn't mean it isn't true.
But the point of a trial would have been to try to answer these questions. We would have either found out if everything we thought we knew about Brown was wrong, or if Wilson's story was flawed in important ways. But now we're not going to get that chance. We're just left with Wilson's unbelievable story.
...........................................................................................................
its all in the prep work I guess
you must be drinking again :facepalm:
Wilson did everything right from what I have read
First and foremost I don't think he should have died. I would rather someone rot in prison for crimes then to die. I have no clue what really happened but the cop does have a bruise on his face and there was gun powder on Brown's hands. That says a lot to me.
What says even more though is the video of the convenience store. He stole from that owner and didn't even tried to hide it. I feel bad for people that are put in that situation like the store owner was that day. IMO Brown is lucky he wasn't shot there.
What says even more though is the video of the convenience store. He stole from that owner and didn't even tried to hide it. I feel bad for people that are put in that situation like the store owner was that day. IMO Brown is lucky he wasn't shot there.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/2...en-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/
Missouri cop was badly beaten before shooting Michael
Brown, says source
By Hollie McKay
Published August 20, 2014 | FoxNews.com
Darren Wilson, the Ferguson, Mo., police officer whose fatal shooting of Michael Brown touched off more than a week of
demonstrations, suffered severe facial injuries including a bone fracture near one eye and was nearly beaten unconscious by
Brown moments before firing his gun, a source close to the department's top brass told FoxNews.com.
?The Assistant (Police) Chief took him to the hospital, his face all swollen on one side,? said the insider. ?He was beaten very
severely.?
According to the well*placed source, Wilson was coming off another case in the neighborhood on Aug. 9 when he ordered
Michael Brown and his friend Dorain Johnson to stop walking in the middle of the road because they were obstructing traffic.
However, the confrontation quickly escalated into physical violence, the source said.
?They ignored him and the officer started to get out of the car to tell them to move," the source said. "They shoved him right back
in, that?s when Michael Brown leans in and starts beating Officer Wilson in the head and the face."
The precise extent of Wilson's injuries are unclear. The source told FoxNews.com on Wednesday that the officer had sustained a
fractured eye socket in the incident, and repeated that assertion early Friday morning, in response to a conflicting report on the
severity of the injuries.
The source claims that there is "solid proof" that there was a struggle between Brown and Wilson for the policeman?s firearm,
resulting in the gun going off ? although it still remains unclear at this stage who pulled the trigger. Brown started to walk away
according to the account, prompting Wilson to draw his gun and order him to freeze. Brown, the source said, raised his hands in
the air, and turned around saying, "What, you're going to shoot me?"
At that point, the source told FoxNews.com, the 6*foot*4, 292*pound Brown charged Wilson, prompting the officer to fire at least
six shots at him, including the fatal bullet that penetrated the top of Brown's skull, according to an independent autopsy
conducted at the request of Brown's family.
Wilson was left dazed by the initial confrontation, the source said. He is now "traumatized, scared for his life and his family,
injured and terrified" that a grand jury, which began hearing evidence on Wednesday, will "make some kind of example out of
him," the source said.
The source also said the dashboard and body cameras, which might have recorded crucial evidence, had been ordered by
Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson, but had only recently arrived and had not yet been deployed.
A spokesman for the St. Louis County Police Department, citing the ongoing investigation, declined late Wednesday to say
whether Wilson required medical treatment following the altercation.
Edward Magee, spokesman for St. Louis County Prosecutor Robert McCullough, said the office will not disclose the nature of the
evidence it will reveal to a grand jury.
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Nabil Khattar, CEO of 7Star Industries ? which specializes in firearms training for law enforcement and special operations
personnel ? confirmed that police are typically instructed to use deadly force if in imminent danger of being killed or suffering
great bodily injury.
?You may engage a threat with enough force that is reasonably necessary to defend against that danger,? he said.
Wilson is a six*year veteran of the Ferguson police force department, and has no prior disciplinary infringements.
Massive protests have since taken over the St. Louis community, prompting Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon last Thursday to place
Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson at the helm of security operations in an effort to calm ongoing tensions. The federal
government is also investigating the death, and Attorney General Eric Holder has taken the lead ? calling ?the selective release
of sensitive information? in the case ?troubling.?
On Friday, Ferguson police released surveillance video showing Brown stealing cigars from a convenience store just before his
death. Jackson came under intense criticism for disclosing the tape and a related police report as he also insisted that the
alleged robbery and the encounter with Wilson were unrelated matters. Brown?s family, through their attorney, suggested the
tape?s release was a strategic form of ?character assassination.?
However, FoxNews.com?s source insisted that there was absolutely no spin agenda behind the tape?s release and that there
were a number of Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) media requests filed by media outlets seeking it. Tom Jackson is said to
have waited on publicly releasing it, and did not want it shown until Brown?s grieving mother first had the chance to see it.
?He defied the FOIAs as long as he could,? noted the insider. ?A powerful, ugly spin has completely ruined public discourse on
this whole situation.?
Missouri cop was badly beaten before shooting Michael
Brown, says source
By Hollie McKay
Published August 20, 2014 | FoxNews.com
Darren Wilson, the Ferguson, Mo., police officer whose fatal shooting of Michael Brown touched off more than a week of
demonstrations, suffered severe facial injuries including a bone fracture near one eye and was nearly beaten unconscious by
Brown moments before firing his gun, a source close to the department's top brass told FoxNews.com.
?The Assistant (Police) Chief took him to the hospital, his face all swollen on one side,? said the insider. ?He was beaten very
severely.?
According to the well*placed source, Wilson was coming off another case in the neighborhood on Aug. 9 when he ordered
Michael Brown and his friend Dorain Johnson to stop walking in the middle of the road because they were obstructing traffic.
However, the confrontation quickly escalated into physical violence, the source said.
?They ignored him and the officer started to get out of the car to tell them to move," the source said. "They shoved him right back
in, that?s when Michael Brown leans in and starts beating Officer Wilson in the head and the face."
The precise extent of Wilson's injuries are unclear. The source told FoxNews.com on Wednesday that the officer had sustained a
fractured eye socket in the incident, and repeated that assertion early Friday morning, in response to a conflicting report on the
severity of the injuries.
The source claims that there is "solid proof" that there was a struggle between Brown and Wilson for the policeman?s firearm,
resulting in the gun going off ? although it still remains unclear at this stage who pulled the trigger. Brown started to walk away
according to the account, prompting Wilson to draw his gun and order him to freeze. Brown, the source said, raised his hands in
the air, and turned around saying, "What, you're going to shoot me?"
At that point, the source told FoxNews.com, the 6*foot*4, 292*pound Brown charged Wilson, prompting the officer to fire at least
six shots at him, including the fatal bullet that penetrated the top of Brown's skull, according to an independent autopsy
conducted at the request of Brown's family.
Wilson was left dazed by the initial confrontation, the source said. He is now "traumatized, scared for his life and his family,
injured and terrified" that a grand jury, which began hearing evidence on Wednesday, will "make some kind of example out of
him," the source said.
The source also said the dashboard and body cameras, which might have recorded crucial evidence, had been ordered by
Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson, but had only recently arrived and had not yet been deployed.
A spokesman for the St. Louis County Police Department, citing the ongoing investigation, declined late Wednesday to say
whether Wilson required medical treatment following the altercation.
Edward Magee, spokesman for St. Louis County Prosecutor Robert McCullough, said the office will not disclose the nature of the
evidence it will reveal to a grand jury.
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Nabil Khattar, CEO of 7Star Industries ? which specializes in firearms training for law enforcement and special operations
personnel ? confirmed that police are typically instructed to use deadly force if in imminent danger of being killed or suffering
great bodily injury.
?You may engage a threat with enough force that is reasonably necessary to defend against that danger,? he said.
Wilson is a six*year veteran of the Ferguson police force department, and has no prior disciplinary infringements.
Massive protests have since taken over the St. Louis community, prompting Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon last Thursday to place
Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson at the helm of security operations in an effort to calm ongoing tensions. The federal
government is also investigating the death, and Attorney General Eric Holder has taken the lead ? calling ?the selective release
of sensitive information? in the case ?troubling.?
On Friday, Ferguson police released surveillance video showing Brown stealing cigars from a convenience store just before his
death. Jackson came under intense criticism for disclosing the tape and a related police report as he also insisted that the
alleged robbery and the encounter with Wilson were unrelated matters. Brown?s family, through their attorney, suggested the
tape?s release was a strategic form of ?character assassination.?
However, FoxNews.com?s source insisted that there was absolutely no spin agenda behind the tape?s release and that there
were a number of Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) media requests filed by media outlets seeking it. Tom Jackson is said to
have waited on publicly releasing it, and did not want it shown until Brown?s grieving mother first had the chance to see it.
?He defied the FOIAs as long as he could,? noted the insider. ?A powerful, ugly spin has completely ruined public discourse on
this whole situation.?
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a 12 yr old dead this time with a toy gun.
my question here is why did the cop car pull up that close to the suspect when it
was reported man with gun
the street was right there and with that vantage point maybe they dont have to kill the kid
too much of this same decisions
a 12 yr old dead this time with a toy gun.
my question here is why did the cop car pull up that close to the suspect when it
was reported man with gun
the street was right there and with that vantage point maybe they dont have to kill the kid
too much of this same decisions
No wood I'm not. I'm simply stating that the truth of what really happened is somewhere lost in the translation of all this. I don't take Wilson's word as gospel in the account nor do I take Brown's friend's account as truth. I think the death could have been avoided.
However, the real point in trying to make is that the justice system is not equitably enforced across all races, cultures and climes. Much like in all racially charged cases the media is weighted to the white side of the story. White America generally accepts media accounts as fact when in their favor.
As a white person, I can plainly see this to be true. Just as in earlier accounts that Wilson had a fractured eye socket and was severely beaten etc..., that turned out to be false, many that had already made up their mind that Brown was just another high thug still believe this to be true.
The court of public pinion has far too much throw weight to be so irresponsible with it.
You're stating that the truth is somewhere lost in translation? If you're stating that then why would you say "he was looking for a fight and that if he wasn't he would have called in before saying a damn word to Brown." There is only one way to translate that IMO.
I agree....Brown could have obeyed the law and he would still be alive....He chose not to.....:0008
A prominent legal expert eviscerates the Darren Wilson prosecution, in 8 tweets
Lisa Bloom @LisaBloom
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Most trial lawyers like me ENJOY cross-examination. It's where we can really go after inconsistencies and lies. Didn't happen in Ferguson GJ
11:23 AM - 25 Nov 2014
So many missed opportunities for cross examination of Wilson. Should have been a grueling session, not the tea party the transcript shows.
1:24 PM - 25 Nov 2014
How Wilson shd have been cross-ex'd: how did Brown solidly, "full force" punch you 2x in face, & yet you have no injuries to reflect that?
1:17 PM - 25 Nov 2014
Key to cross-exam would be requiring Wilson to explain how Brown's allegedly taking one step toward Wilson is "charging" him.
1:22 PM - 25 Nov 2014
Wilson testified he didn't think about whether Mike Brown was armed, but then he focuses on Brown's hand in waistband. Implication is weapon
1:23 PM - 25 Nov 2014
A good trial lawyer doesn't assume. Wilson: Brown's hand in waistband. Make him say he feared weapon.Then confront him w prior contrary stmt
1:59 PM - 25 Nov 2014
Hospital records for Darren Wilson's same day visit: "well-appearing, well-nourished, in no apparent distress." No one asks him to explain
2:07 PM - 25 Nov 2014
Wilson hospital record: "no bleeding, no laceration, no ecchymosis [bruises]" A cross-examiner's dream, but no c-x of Wilson on this, natch
2:37 PM - 25 Nov 2014
NO CROSS EXAMINATION of Wilson. Are you fucking kidding me?!!
And his version of the truth is accepted as fact??? What a complete joke!
Peace!
Lisa Bloom @LisaBloom
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Most trial lawyers like me ENJOY cross-examination. It's where we can really go after inconsistencies and lies. Didn't happen in Ferguson GJ
11:23 AM - 25 Nov 2014
So many missed opportunities for cross examination of Wilson. Should have been a grueling session, not the tea party the transcript shows.
1:24 PM - 25 Nov 2014
How Wilson shd have been cross-ex'd: how did Brown solidly, "full force" punch you 2x in face, & yet you have no injuries to reflect that?
1:17 PM - 25 Nov 2014
Key to cross-exam would be requiring Wilson to explain how Brown's allegedly taking one step toward Wilson is "charging" him.
1:22 PM - 25 Nov 2014
Wilson testified he didn't think about whether Mike Brown was armed, but then he focuses on Brown's hand in waistband. Implication is weapon
1:23 PM - 25 Nov 2014
A good trial lawyer doesn't assume. Wilson: Brown's hand in waistband. Make him say he feared weapon.Then confront him w prior contrary stmt
1:59 PM - 25 Nov 2014
Hospital records for Darren Wilson's same day visit: "well-appearing, well-nourished, in no apparent distress." No one asks him to explain
2:07 PM - 25 Nov 2014
Wilson hospital record: "no bleeding, no laceration, no ecchymosis [bruises]" A cross-examiner's dream, but no c-x of Wilson on this, natch
2:37 PM - 25 Nov 2014
NO CROSS EXAMINATION of Wilson. Are you fucking kidding me?!!
And his version of the truth is accepted as fact??? What a complete joke!
Peace!
