Another Ebola thought from Dr. Matt Valente

theGibber1

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I never compared Bush to Hitler and i don't recall anyone saying he killed 3000 people in the world trade Centre bombings. What I do know as fact, let me say it again FACT, is that he completely ignored all reports, and there were mountains of them, of the impending attack. Ignored every single one of the reports Gibber. ......IGNORED THEM. He then lied the American public about WMDs in order to start a war, then lied to the military about significant military action in the region being stopped with "mission accomplished". All factual events and yet you want to equate those people that were and are unhappy with his actions to those that "allege" something so ridiculous as to say the president, the one the same people are asserting is the worst president ever, has planned a mass pandemic in order to establish a monarchy? A pandemic that it's ENTIRE PLAN RELIES ON SOME DUDE GOING TO AFRICA, CATCHING THIS DISEASE AND THEN RETURNING TO THE US WITHOUT ANY SYMPTOMS AND NO WAY OF KNOWING WHETHER OR NOT HE ACTUALLY CONTRACTED IT? That's the fucking plan bro? You think those two assertions are equal?
Wow.

I never said you did say those things.. Nor was I supporting bush in anyway shape or form. My point was you said that some like Raymond are saying Obama did this on purpose because he was black. My contention was that it has to do more with politics than race and there are idiots on both sides. The comment really had nothing to do with you personally.. But I think that is the problem a lot of guys have with you. You take every comment or retort as a personal attack. Its almost impossible to have a conversation with you b/c if someone doesn't agree with you its taken like a personal attack on your intelligence or something. What starts out as an exchange of ideas almost always turns into an argument..

I think maybe you would have seen my point with my comment if you weren't being so defensive. :shrug:
 

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I think the flight from Clev to Dallas will be very telling. If nobody from the flight gets sick than I dont believe we will have a problem in this country.

If people do come down with it than I believe this virus is much easier to catch than we are being led on.. I dont think that will be the case though. I aint worried yet. I have two employees at that hospital who are a bit freaked out though. :0008
 

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I think the flight from Clev to Dallas will be very telling. If nobody from the flight gets sick than I dont believe we will have a problem in this country.

If people do come down with it than I believe this virus is much easier to catch than we are being led on.. I dont think that will be the case though. I aint worried yet. I have two employees at that hospital who are a bit freaked out though. :0008

Gibber - I agree with this - but it is not just the original flight from Clev to Dallas, but also the 5 flights that occurred on that same plan afterwards where the virus could still be alive and be on an armrest for example (which I thought I read was possible).

So many questions remain though: why did the CDC director call out the nurse Vinson and say "she shouldn't have been flying on a commercial plane" and then have the truth come out the next day that she did the responsible thing and contacted the CDC and asked them if she could fly. Basically, the CDC outright lied and tried to pass the blame here.

I believe that our government would be having a considerably different response (including banning air travel) IF this was occuring in April of this year, rather than 2 weeks before mid-terms elections. I think there is much more emphasis right now on posturing that this is no big deal and we won't take drastic measures (like banning air travel). The current administration is extremely paranoid about controlling the message - more so than past administrations. It is not the most transparent admin as they claim to be.

Those posters that made the argument that Obama wants this to happen and has planned this are just being dumb. This is the worst thing that could happen to Obama and the Dems, and they are fighting hard to minimize the impact on mid-terms. Seems like a horrible view to take, but that is politics these days.

Finally, until we totally ban air travel from anyone coming from that region, I see this as getting worse and worse. Why? Imagine if you are over in that region and have the economic means to pay for an airplane ticket. I'm sure a number of those folks fear they have had contact (whether true or not) with the virus. What would you do in that instance? You would book a flight to the US and try to get here before you are symptomatic. You know you have anywhere from 2-21 days. You know the healthcare systems here are the best (or close to it) in the world. And you know that we welcome anyone in our country with open arms. Of course you are going to try to make it to the US for potential treatment, if you have the means to get here.

Case in point - how many cases are we hearing of that are going to Norway or Sweden or even Great Britian? Is it healthcare systems there, or are those countries not allowing West Africans in?

Seems our biggest mistake was not shutting down air travel immediately, IMHO. But political timing is playing a big role in this, as I said before. If this had occured back in April, we probably wouldn't have allowed folks from West Africa into our country.

It may be in our country's interest for another Ebola patient to fly over to the US. That would likely be the straw the broke the camel's back. I would anticipate, if this does occur, that travel will get shut down. But not by our government - but by the airlines themselves. Think of the impact on Frontier Airlines (a rather small one in the US). Would you take the chance of flying them now - knowing you could be on "the plane"? Airline stocks are going in the crapper right now - and if a Delta/United/American get hit with a case of this, they won't be able to stomach having the shares nosedive. And the government is probably hoping it occurs in this manner - so they won't get the blame, but then they can pass on the blame to the airlines.

This is all political, given the timing. And that is wrong. It should be about protecting our citizens first, at all costs. That is the government's primary job - to protect the US from all threats, both foreign and domestic. This surely falls into the "foreign threat" department.

JMHO. Flame away if you must.
 
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I mean you're very vocal in all the threads. I don't think I'm reading you wrong but I may be. There are many sides to this, it isn't about panic and generalizing the American people. You convey that this is the same as other outbreaks. I neither agree nor disagree until there is more information. Information and transparency are no longer the norm. That in itself is alarm to panic. There are sheep, there are shills, and there are those that want to gather information to make an educated decision. I have a plan with my family for a full out panic. That in itself could be generalized as overreaction. I think of it as a calming mechanism to ensure if something happens then my family doesn't panic but follows a plan.

I don't think it's time to say this is like all the other media hyped events.


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