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this one following the Wynn story in Vegas.....


Waiter Groups Fight to Educate People on Proper Tipping
By Betsy Schiffman, AP


NEW YORK (Sept. 13) - Waiting tables is a stressful job and sometimes not even lucrative, given servers' sticky reliance on tips for income.

In some states, restaurants are only legally required to pay as little as $2 or $3 an hour. So if a server earns $30 in tips on a bad night, he could feasibly walk out having earned less than minimum wage after tipping out the bartender and busboys (a common practice in most restaurants).

To level the playing field, waiters are taking action. Some are resorting to guerrilla tactics - it's not uncommon for waiters to personally confront stingy tippers, or to blog about them on sites such as WaiterRant.Net.

One former waiter, Yakup Ulutas, is proposing restaurants change the system. Ulutas, a 36 year-old restaurant manager in Atlanta, founded a nonprofit organization, Fairtip.org, to persuade restaurants to implement an automatic 20 percent service fee on every check. He estimates 2,500 waiters have joined.

You'd be hard-pressed to find a server who wouldn't love to see his or her employer slap an automatic tip on to every check. But wouldn't it make more sense for restaurants to hike prices by 20 percent and raise workers' salaries?

"That wouldn't work," Yakup says. "Many restaurants wouldn't be able to afford to pay higher wages."

The low-margin restaurant business is a notoriously difficult one. Raising server wages could easily zap the profits of small to mid-sized restaurants.

But diners have also seen a rapid rise in the tipping rate. Zagat Survey, which surveys the top restaurants nationwide, found that the average tip has increased from to 18.7 percent in 2006 from 17.75 percent in 2000.

At least one academic thinks that if the tipping rate rises too high, eating out will become prohibitive for many people, and restaurant sales will stall.

"Tipping is about buying social approval, and the way you do that is to at least tip an average amount, but most people want to tip a little bit better than average. That exerts an upward pressure on tips," says Michael Lynn, an associate professor at Cornell University School of Hotel Administration.

It would make sense for the restaurant industry to establish a norm before tipping rates move up to the point of pricing diners out of the market, he said.

While most restaurants already charge an automatic service fee for large parties, at least one restaurant began the practice of charging an automatic 20 percent gratuity, or "autograt," as it is sometimes called, on every check.

Per Se, a pricey New York restaurant started by star chef Thomas Keller, caused a public outcry when it implemented a 20 percent service fee last year. All prix fixe menus at Per Se cost $210, according to the restaurant's web site, so assuming customers spend about $100 for wine, a tip is likely to total around $60. Still, the restaurant said no patrons have refused to pay the service fee, and some guests actually tip above the required amount.

It may sound like a lucrative arrangement, but some waiters would rather take their chances and brave the risk of not making money.

"For as much disappointment as there is in waiting tables, regulating tips might detract from the sense that if you do your job well, you'll be rewarded," says Melissa Klein, a 25 year-old waitress at Lodge restaurant in Brooklyn, N.Y.

It's a common belief - that tips are based on service - but Lynn argues it's all wrong. Research has shown that tips are rarely based on the quality of service, and are usually determined arbitrarily.

"Servers think there's a relationship between tips and service, but there isn't. How sunny it is outside literally has as big of an impact on a tip as the service," Lynn says.

One study showed that when waitresses wore flowers in their hair they earned 17 percent more than when they didn't. Another study suggests that waiters who squat beside tables receive an average tip of 18 percent, versus a 15 percent tip received by waiters who stand next to their tables.

Some waiters concede that tipping behavior has very little to do with service. Theresa Burkhart, a 31 year-old waitress and actress in Manhattan, says overtippers tend to overtip regardless of service, and undertippers tend to undertip; Canadians and Brits often tip 10 percent, while Japanese customers tip around 20 percent.

Burkhart herself says she tips a minimum of 20 percent across the board.

"I find it unacceptable for people not to know that the tipping rate is 20 percent," Burkhart said.

The sentiment is widely shared on the Internet; a database started on one Web site - bitterwaitress.com - allows servers across the country to submit the names of customers who tipped less than 17 percent. Actress Sandra Bernhard is listed in the database for having skipped out on a tip after eating a $120 comped dinner at a Rochester, N.Y. club where she performed.

Cheapskates can stretch servers to the limit - in one 1989 incident, a waiter attacked two diners with a knife, inflicting minor injuries, over a $2 to $3 tip on a $50 check.

While public humiliation may be a low blow, it's still preferable to stabbing stingy tippers.
 
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Still, the restaurant said no patrons have refused to pay the service fee, and some guests actually tip above the required amount.

From experience, many times servers do not let the customer know when there is an auto-tip, so the patron unknowingly overtips.

I have a rule that if there is an auto-tip, the server gets absolutely nothing more than that. They removed their ability to earn more by forcing me to tip a certain amount.

"I find it unacceptable for people not to know that the tipping rate is 20 percent," Burkhart said.

I find it unacceptable that servers think that they automatically DESERVE 20%. You have to earn 20%. I would say 10% is more like a standard if you don't do a good job. 15% if you do an average job. Anything above 15%, you have to earn. My limit is 30%.

Is this not a fair way to look at it?

Personal story: When I first moved to Atlanta, a buddy and I walk in to a restaurant and sit down. After looking around, we made the easy observation that it was a gay establishment. Neither one of us cared, so we stayed. We stuck out like sore thumbs because at the time, every gay man was VERY metrosexual, and we were very not.

Our service was AWFUL, and it was apparent why. We definitely got the message that we were not welcome.

So the bill comes, I tip 10% due to the extremely bad service, and walked out. As I get to my car, I see the waiter storming after me cussing me up and down screaming about the tip. At first, I was so shocked I didn't know what to say. When it finally registered what was going on, I told him to get back inside or I am going to take myself out of this threatening situation by protecting myself (in somewhat stronger words ;)).

So he goes running back inside screaming that I am threatening him, that we are not welcome back in "Our" restaurant or neighborhood.

It was quite a fiasco. That guy put the stamp on my opinion that poor service deserves poor tips. Good service should be rewarded generously.
 

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in related news.....

Save the Airlines . . .

Dump the male flight attendants. No one wanted them in the first place.
Replace all the female flight attendants with good-looking strippers! What the heck - the attendants have gotten old and haggard-looking. They don't even serve food anymore, so what's the loss? The strippers would at least triple the alcohol sales and get a "party atmosphere" going in the cabin.

And, of course, every businessman in this country would start flying again, hoping to see naked women.

Because of the tips, female flight attendants wouldn't need a salary, thus saving even more money. I suspect tips would be so good that we could charge the women for working and have them kick back 20% of the tips, including lap dances and "special services."

Muslims would be afraid to get on the planes for fear of seeing naked women. Hijackings would come to a screeching halt, and the airline industry would see record revenues. This is definitely a win-win situation if we handle it right - a golden opportunity to turn a liability into an asset.

Why didn't Bush think of this? Why do I still have to do everything myself?

Sincerely,


Bill Clinton
 

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their brainiac study forgot one other percentage:

Waitress with a nice ass and ta-tas get a bigger tip than a 300 pound college student with yesterday's breakfast staining their shirt.
 

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Since when is 20% the EXPECTED amount? Wasnt it just a few years back that 20% is what you got for great service? I agree with the person in the article who says the over/undertippers tend to tip that way no matter the service.

But I agree with dawg, I go out for dinner maybe once a week with clients and CANT STAND when they charge you a set amount for tip if you have say 5 or more in your group. That leaves me no room for error if the service completely BLOWS I am stuck paying 18% (typical mandatory # I have seen). WTF is that?

Similar to room service in a place like theHotel - 18% plus a service fee on top of that and the guy still looks for $5 or so on top of that. I love to tip but christ leave me some outs!
 
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actually, with regards to the mandatory tip charge on large parties..

one night a group of us were out at a semi nice place to eat. waiter brought out all our dinners except one and left.

he came back 15 minutes later after ignoring us and asked how things were. my friend asked him where the heck his dinner was.

Waiter: Oh, yea.. sorry.. we ran out of that. Did you want something else?


he then tapped us for 18% on the bill and we threw a stink to the manager of the joint and told him in no uncertain terms were we paying that.

He told us that the 18% was "just a recommendation" and that we could decline that amount by giving him a reason.
 

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Years ago, I read where a guy was tagged with a 15% gratuity charge on his bill and when he refused to pay it, he was arrested as though he skipped on it. After that, various states passed laws requiring the restaurants to notify the customers in advance about the fee. That didn't last long because some people would get up and leave.
Personally, I don't tip. A/I can't afford it and B/If I don't get good service, I don't go back. No manager has ever offered to knock a few bucks off the tab to help with the tip. That's just my attitude.
 

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Personally, I don't tip. A/I can't afford it and B/If I don't get good service, I don't go back. No manager has ever offered to knock a few bucks off the tab to help with the tip. That's just my attitude.

One manager did try to talk to you about the tip.

You later then followed him home and suffocated him with a plastic bag while he slept. Then summarily chopped up his body and left it on the side of the road.
 

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:wtf: :shrug:

You guys are all a bunch of fu cking NITS!!

This is far from what I expected in a forum full of gamblers...

I don't even have the energy to go into it:soapbox: and you guys wouldn't change your mind anyway..:jerkit:


I don't tip, I can't afford it....

Since when is 20% standard...

I tip 10%...


Society crumbles right before my eyes....:sadwave:
 

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anybody who doesn't tip a waiter should be ashamed of themselves. those who say they can't afford to tip should not go to a restaurant....do you not want to get paid for working...of course not...neither does a waiter....at the same time a waiter shouldn't think that he should get tipped for just showing up at the table...they're suppose to earn the tip.

i don't like restaurants telling me how much i should tip....the starting point for me is 15%..i can go higher & i can go lower (but no lower than 10%) depending on the service
 

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One manager did try to talk to you about the tip.

You later then followed him home and suffocated him with a plastic bag while he slept. Then summarily chopped up his body and left it on the side of the road.



:mj07: :mj07:

Some of you guys are cheap motherf*ckers. Jesus.
 

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:wtf: :shrug:

You guys are all a bunch of fu cking NITS!!

This is far from what I expected in a forum full of gamblers...

I don't even have the energy to go into it:soapbox: and you guys wouldn't change your mind anyway..:jerkit:


I don't tip, I can't afford it....

Since when is 20% standard...

I tip 10%...


Society crumbles right before my eyes....:sadwave:

You can't afford the difference between 10% and 20%? No, you're just a cheap ass.

I can't imagine what bodily fluids/hairs you've ingested at places where you've gone more than 2 or 3 times.
 

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i don't know if he's kidding or not but agent really surprises me that he tips 10%.i thought a guy who works on commision would have some kind of understanding about doing the right thing.
 

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i think agent was quoting other parts of other posts. i am guessing he is a good tipper.
 

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Kosar......I don't think Agent is saying he tips 10%, he was just using three lines from other posts, without using the "quote" feature.


That being said, "The standard" is set by the waitstaff, so fuk them! It was always 15% until it "became" 20! Sure as shit stinks......20% won't be enough in a few years!


If you are a "regular" some place, you are fuked. I mean, you should get good service and be tipping well if you are a known player at this joint, but if you get the brown eye some night, what the hell are you gonna do? Tell the waitress to stuff the tip in her ass???? You better never show up again!

But, if I'm in a place I don't plan on being at again, and you treat me like the stranger I am? Piss on ya! WTF do I owe you? You gonna take my meal back?

All in all, I have had far more good experiences out to eat, than bad, and the bad were always "not that big of a deal". I've never once found myself with a reason to not tip.
 

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Agent was mocking the people who said that, not saying he actually only tips 10 percent. He's still a tool, but that's not what he was saying.

I tip based on service. I've tipped 60 percent; I've tipped nothing. I'm usually a pretty generous tipper, but I feel absolutely no obligation to give a certain amount at any time.
 

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the starting point for me is 15%..i can go higher & i can go lower (but no lower than 10%) depending on the service
exactly the same here. even shit service, which is really rare, is 10%. real good service is in the very generous category. kosar is one of the better tipper's i've known, besides myself, of course ;)
 
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