any guesses on the series price for suns/spurs

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got phx 30/1 to win west, so plan on hedging no matter what ... Im guessing spurs -125???

Pleez post you thoughts on series odds :) be curious to se what everyone thinks

man I dunno, could see suns winning it, or Spurs making it tough enuff on D, but Nash is just too amazing this year ... Love to see JJ1 back for suns, would make huge difference ...

congrats to Suns' guttiness and to Nash & Marion, it was inspiring to watch someone with so much savvy control a game ... Dirk was the goat, lost his composure in OT, missed his first 3 shots and Mavs could never climb back


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Spurs will be at least -180 or so to start. They are hugely overpriced all over the place, its really a joke. Struggled to beat hugely depleted Sonics squad. Anyone who was impressed with that performance has their head in the sand. Like I said before, they are soft as hell. I wouldnt hedge your futures bet off the start. If you want to hedge, I think your best bet is to hope for a Game 1 win and then hit it.

Of course, Suns are terrible. I can't believe they got by the Mavs, especially with only a 47% chance after game 4. :)
 

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Honestly, I have been doing this a long time, and between the Lakers last year, and this bunk Spurs squad this year, I'm not sure which was a more ridiculously overpriced futures favorite.
 

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u guys are prob right, I org. thought -150 trying to gauge all factors, but when Suns won tonight i dropped it some, I mean they went 2-1 on road vs mavs, not shabby--plus suns have HC; and Spurs certainly coulda been in 7 game set with a jerry-rigged Sonic squad ... Im very down that JJ1 migth (prob will, im not even sure) miss this series, hes exactly one more athlete that spurs dont have to match up with ...

anyhow, thanx for your guys input
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Of course, Suns are terrible. I can't believe they got by the Mavs, especially with only a 47% chance after game 4.

:mj07: :mj07: :mj07:

Who the hell gave Mavs a 53% chance at winning the series after game 4? :rolleyes:

Nice call Bombs on Suns. Mavs shouldn't have lost this game. They blew it. The question is, why did Suns have such difficult time beating the Mavs with Nash playing LIGHTS OUT? Spurs beat Sonics on road with Duncan having a HORRIBLE shooting night. Interesting.

If Duncan's ankle isn't a mess, Spurs will beat Suns in the series. Suns have NO answer to Spurs big men and Spurs team defense.

Nash looked great because he was getting WIDE OPEN shots. Wonder if Spurs will be giving Suns wide open shots? :rolleyes: Wonder if the Suns will need time to adjust to the Spurs team defense and inside presence? Mavs certainly play the same style defense as Spurs. Right? As for for Spurs, they beat the hottest team in NBA in 2nd half and they beat a Sonics squad who was playing lights out with role players playing great. Sonics gave Spurs matchup problems, especially down low. Suns do not. Sonics play MUCH better defense than Suns. Spurs will have an easier time on OFFENSE in this series and SUNS will have a HARDER time on offense adjusting to a man in front of your face.

Just my thoughts.

Spurs will be -200 to win series IMO. Maybe the line will be lower because of Duncan's ankle.
 

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I believe it was you with the 53% comment. You are so predictable popping on here after the game.

Yeah, and Sonics minus two of their best players shouldnt have lost last night.

Scotty boy, like your laughable stab with the Lakers last year, your chalk chasing NBA future is headed for the toilet, get your hedges ready.

The Spurs are a better matchup for the Suns than the Mavs were. Get ready for softy Duncan and his band of pansies to be shown the door. Get ready for lots of Bruce Bowen "why me" faces, Duncan "I am so sad" faces, and Brent Barry "what am I doing in a conference final" faces.

And let's not forget the Tony Parker "I am superfast, but this Steve Nash is a better player than me" face.

Good luck.
 

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Sonics give Spurs matchup problems down low? What? This gets better by the minute. Who? FORTSON? JAMES? COLLISON? STIFF CENTRAL.

Geez, man, this series is a coin flipper, you are sitting there with a short price, and you are trying to convince yourself it is some lock.
 

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Scott4USC said:
:mj07: :mj07: :mj07:

Who the hell gave Mavs a 53% chance at winning the series after game 4? :rolleyes:

Nice call Bombs on Suns. Mavs shouldn't have lost this game. They blew it. The question is, why did Suns have such difficult time beating the Mavs with Nash playing LIGHTS OUT? Spurs beat Sonics on road with Duncan having a HORRIBLE shooting night. Interesting.

If Duncan's ankle isn't a mess, Spurs will beat Suns in the series. Suns have NO answer to Spurs big men and Spurs team defense.

Nash looked great because he was getting WIDE OPEN shots. Wonder if Spurs will be giving Suns wide open shots? :rolleyes: Wonder if the Suns will need time to adjust to the Spurs team defense and inside presence? Mavs certainly play the same style defense as Spurs. Right? As for for Spurs, they beat the hottest team in NBA in 2nd half and they beat a Sonics squad who was playing lights out with role players playing great. Sonics gave Spurs matchup problems, especially down low. Suns do not. Sonics play MUCH better defense than Suns. Spurs will have an easier time on OFFENSE in this series and SUNS will have a HARDER time on offense adjusting to a man in front of your face.

Just my thoughts.

Spurs will be -200 to win series IMO. Maybe the line will be lower because of Duncan's ankle.

i really dont want to get into a war of words with you,but i will say 1 thing,the sonics suck and they almost pushed the spurs to the limit and that was with no lewis and radmoanovic.the spurs will run and run and run all series,i like the suns. good luck
 

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Little newsflash, Scott, Suns are a much better defensive team than the Sonics. I think that is the main flaw in all your arguments, you give them no credit for what they do on the defensive end, which can be pretty tough, especially if Joe Johnson is in action.
 

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I don't think the Sonics suck. Sonics were without 2 of there top 3 players but guess what. SONICS had other players STEP UP and play well. Did Spurs suddenly start playing bad defense? I don't think so. But if they did, then maybe Sonics do suck. I think Sonics are good team (an injured team) but they had players playing lights out which then makes them a dangerous team. It wasn't like Spurs beat Sonics with Sonics playing bad basketball. They were playing VERY GOOD basketball and on both ends of court. If Suns have "players" playing lights out, they will prob. beat Spurs if Spurs don't have "players" playing lights out. Against Sonics, Parker was not playing well and few other role players. I also think Spurs were not 100% focused heading into game 3 and that was when Sonics took there game to another level. More often than not, you don't have multiple players playing "above" there heads. Sonics did. I know Spurs will be 100% focused on Suns.

Sonics created matchup problems for Spurs. They have "big" men down low. Let me repeat. BIG/THICK MEN down low. Suns do not. Duncan even said the Sonic big men were tough to battle with in series. They caused PROBLEMS. What big "men" not "man" do Suns have? I also think Sonics play better defense. We'll see.

I saw a lot of wide open shots made in Mavs/Suns series. Especially with Nash who is Suns MVP. Will Spurs give Nash "repeatedly" wide open shots? :rolleyes: I saw a lot of "man in your face" defense in the Spurs/Sonics series. A lot may have to do with Suns/Mavs having more offensive talent but that is what I saw.

Who for Suns will stop penetration to basket? What if Suns starting big men get into foul trouble? Problems, problems problems. Mavs had ton of success penetrating Suns defense but did not do it on consistent basis and often settling for jumpshots. Spurs have better players who take the ball to the hole AND they do it on a consistent basis. Nobody better at drawing fouls than Ginoble and Duncan. 2 players Suns have no answer for.
 
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We've debated this ad nauseum, but just remember, get your hedges ready.
 

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my 2 cents on something that always seems to go unspoken, how good is shawn marion? this guy is becoming an incredible trey threat, routinely makes spectacular tipins, runs like an antelope, plays hard on D, and bds. for his skinny ass as well as anyone Ive ever seen ...

so suns have Nash (MVP, and maybe as remarkable a player as the league has seen as lead guard -- thats scorer and dealer -- since Isaiah,) and Amare, Q. Rich, and JJ1 coming back (Soul Train, i know we had our run in but genuine thanks for posting that update on JJ1's status :)) ...

Spurs have TD, and Gino ... TP is not getting it done lately ... after that it's a crapshoot; Nazr seems to be their 3rd best scorer lately ... As for the suns "weak' bench, other than Horry Im not sure what POP is trotting off his anymore ... I mean Gino isnt a sub, he comes in or will start for Barry who has turned to garbage ... Udrih's first playoffs, Nesto (ru kidding me, Ive touted this guy as imperial stiff for 2 years and finally POP figured it out) & Big "i'm doggin it" Dawg

i really dont see this series as being worse than 50/50, but since spurs have an incumbent status, they will get nod ... And let's not forget, last year even the woeful Lakers easily handled the Spurs after Fischer's shot

I recall being almost a kid and watching Golden St, with the TRUE Barry lead a huge underdog Warrior squad to 4 game sweep over the mighty Bullets; then Big Bill took his Blazers to 4 straight games over 76ers after dumping first two games ... LY Deet was what 7/1 dog???

You just can't hand the throne blindly to teams ... Competitors come for blood, and Nash, Marion, Amare, JJ1, Q. Rich back down to no one ... should be fun :)

gl, gregg
 
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should have 7 game series in both conferences

Of course, if it goes 7 games, it will be a BLESSING FOR THE SPURS that the game is in Phoenix. I mean, who the hell needs home court advantage. In fact, I heard that the Spurs actually want to play all the games in Phoenix, and the league is currently considering this proposal.
 

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free throw shooting my be the achilles heel for the spurs if games are close. i will be pulling for the suns.
 

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suns +140,lets go suns,steve nash is a pure general,should be a good one :clap: :clap:
 

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Bombs said:
Of course, if it goes 7 games, it will be a BLESSING FOR THE SPURS that the game is in Phoenix. I mean, who the hell needs home court advantage. In fact, I heard that the Spurs actually want to play all the games in Phoenix, and the league is currently considering this proposal.

:mj07:

I think Spurs hold advantage in terms of home court unless the series goes 7 games. IMO, it is much easier to win games 1 or 2 on road vs winning games 3 or 4 on road. Spurs are a scary and very good team at home. So lets assume Suns have VERY difficult time winning @SA. What are the chances Spurs win at least 1 of the first 2 games on road in this series @Phoenix? Would you take the bet if a sportsbook offered a prop saying "will Spurs win either game 1 or game 2 in this series at -110? The way I look at it, Spurs win game 1 or 2 (1 game only not both) and win both home games @SA, so Spurs "hopefully" will be up 3 games 1 heading back to Phoenix for game 5.

I also think there is a decent chance Suns struggle in game 1 and maybe even game 2 adjusting to the team defense of Spurs. In addition, the Spurs have an excellent defensive big man in Duncan. Mavs had NOBODY! Even MVP Nash will have to adjust not getting "consistent" WIDE OPEN 3pt shots and WIDE OPEN 10 foot jump shots. I don't care how good Nash is. He will have to adjust his game!

I wonder if the role players for Spurs will be getting wide open shots in this series? Against Sonics, the role players for Spurs struggled (except Muhammad) and didn't get to many open shots. Good news for Spurs is that Bown found his offensive game in last 2 games and Berry finally contributed in game 6.

Doesn't Nash defense concern anybody? He struggles against fast PG's and PG's usually have BIG GAMES when Nash is guarding them. Parker is more rested and much faster than Nash. Nash plays too many minutes and he won't be able to stay in front of Parker and Suns have NOBODY down low to contest shots/stop penetration. Sonics did, Suns do not.

Why did Mavs have so much success crashing the boards and driving to the basket? Spurs have better players to accomplish this task AND more importantly they will do it on a consistent basis.

Do the Suns have enough experience to win series? To there advantage, the Mavs challenged them and forced close games and must win situations. That will help a lot. Unfortunately, IMO the Spurs are a hell of a lot better defensive team than Mavs and Spurs offense isn't to shabby either, especially when they are not facing a good defensive squad.

Can Suns win if Nash doesn't shoot lights out?

Will the Suns get outrebounded? Mavs were able to crash the boards against Suns. IMO Spurs are a better rebounding team and def. have more size.

Can Suns win if they get into foul trouble?

Especially there 2 starting big men. I think Duncan, Ginoble, and Parker are the 3 best trio at drawing fouls and attacking the basket as a group. VERY IMPORTANT and bad news for Phoenix!

IMO Suns need to shoot lights out to win series. Are you going to rely on Suns defense and lack of interior to get stops? Pretty difficult to shoot lights out on a consistent basis in playoffs. MUCH more difficult to shoot lights out on a consistent basis facing the quality defense the Spurs bring in a 7 game playoff series.

Too many question marks for Suns facing Spurs. Of course there are some question marks for Spurs but not as many. Therefore, I predict Spurs winning this series in 5 or 6 games. I think it is pivotal for Suns to win games 1 and 2 to win series. A split would give Spurs too much of an advantage. VERY difficult to win @SA especially with games 3 and 4 being @SA.



Any news on Duncan and his ankle? He only got 2 days rest on it. Good news is he played on it after injury so it can't be TOO SERIOUS.
 
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