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--and you have added considerations Edward
If we didn't get Hussein (Saddam) your liberal attorneys couldn't have defended him.
How many are of ACLU are working on detainees at gitmo
From your boys--
As Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Is Formally Charged, Government Delays Security Clearance For Civilian Defense Lawyers (5/13/2008)
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NEW YORK ? The U.S. government continues to delay security clearances for attorneys seeking to represent Khalid Sheikh Mohammed even as formal charges are announced against him and four other detainees today as part of the Bush administration's military commission system. The efforts of civilian attorneys to represent Mohammed are part of the John Adams Project ? a partnership between the American Civil Liberties Union and the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers ? designed to provide legal teams to represent Guant?namo detainees.
"The ACLU has offered to represent Khalid Sheikh Mohammed because his case - like that of other Guant?namo detainees - is being prosecuted in an unconstitutional, unfair, and biased proceeding that makes a mockery of our Constitution and American values, including the right to a fair trial," said Anthony D. Romero, Executive Director of the ACLU. "When these fundamental principles are threatened, the ACLU has always and will always step in to defend them."
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In case anyone not familiar with Edwards clans new clients--heres look from the other side
Accused 9/11 mastermind wants death sentence
By ANDREW O. SELSKY, Associated Press Writer
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GUANTANAMO BAY NAVAL BASE, Cuba - Khalid Sheikh Mohammed said Thursday that he would welcome the death penalty for his confessed role as mastermind of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
"Yes, this is what I wish, to be a martyr for a long time," Mohammed told a military judge who warned that he faces execution if convicted of organizing the attacks on America. "I will, God willing, have this, by you."
The former No. 3 leader of al-Qaida and four alleged co-conspirators were being arraigned Thursday in their long-awaited first appearance before a war-crimes tribunal. All five face death if convicted of war crimes including murder, conspiracy, attacking civilians and terrorism in the 2001 attacks, which killed 2,973 people.
Mohammed wore thick glasses and a turban and stroked a bushy gray beard, in stark contrast to the disheveled hair, unshaven face and T-shirt he wore when he was captured in Pakistan in 2003.
Appearing calm as he propped his glasses on his turban to peer at legal papers, Mohammed also grinned and exchanged a few words with someone at the defense table occupied by Waleed bin Attash, who allegedly selected and trained some of the 19 hijackers who turned airplanes into missiles in the attacks.
The arraignment of the alleged al-Qaida co-conspirators begins the highest-profile test yet of the military's tribunal system, which faces an uncertain future. The Supreme Court is to rule this month on the rights of Guantanamo prisoners, potentially delaying or halting the proceedings.
It also carries some strategic risk: the military is trying to minimize the chance that Mohammed will be able to spread al-Qaida propaganda in courtoom speeches. The judge, Marine Col. Ralph Kohlmann, announced a 20-second delay in the closed-circuit video feed to prevent classified information from being disclosed outside the courtroom.
It is the first public appearance for Mohammed since his capture in Pakistan in 2003. He was held in CIA custody at secret sites and then transferred to the U.S. Navy base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in 2006, where the exact location of his cell also is top-secret.
Mohammed's defense team has said he may have suffered cognitive impairment from harsh interrogations in CIA custody. The Bush administration acknowledged in February that Mohammed was waterboarded ? a technique that involves strapping a person down and pouring water over his or her cloth-covered face to create the sensation of drowning.
The Supreme Court struck down the commissions as unconstitutional in 2006. Congress then altered and resurrected them, but they have remained mired in confusion over courtroom rules, dogged by delays, and challenged repeatedly as unconstitutional.
Military commissions have been conducted since George Washington used them after the end of the Revolutionary War, but this is the first time the United States has used them during an ongoing conflict, said Air Force Brig. Gen. Tom Hartmann, a top tribunal official.
Army Col. Steve David, chief defense counsel for the tribunals, said the military commissions are "fundamentally flawed."
"We will zealously identify and expose each and every (flaw)," Davis said Wednesday.
The defense attorneys accused the U.S. of rushing the trial to influence this year's presidential elections. They recently asked Kohlmann to dismiss the case and remove Hartmann, who was accused of political meddling by a former chief prosecutor for the tribunals.
Hartmann has insisted the trials will be fair, and said he has not been asked to recuse himself from the upcoming trial.
Journalists were allowed to see the closed-circuit TV feed from a nearby press room. Some other observers including Fang A. Wong, a senior American Legion member, also were allowed to see the arraignment, which comes seven years after the attacks.
"I'm from the New York area, and I have been waiting for this for a long time," Wong said as he waited to be searched by soldiers before entering the tightly guarded court complex.
Guards were near the men but no firearms were to be allowed in the courtroom, said Army Col. Wendy Kelly. Mohammed and the other four detainees can be restrained by retractable leg chains hidden underneath the raised courtroom floor if they become unruly, she said.
With less than eight months remaining in U.S. President George W. Bush's term, presidential candidates Barack Obama and John McCain both say they want to close the military's offshore detention center.
Obama opposed the Military Commissions Act that in 2006 resurrected the military commissions, but McCain supported it.
The modular courtroom can be taken down and "sent to Fort Bragg, Fort Lewis, or any installation that needs a big courtroom," Kelly said.
The military expects the joint arraignment of the five to last just one day. The prisoners will be formally notified of the nature of the charges, will be told of their rights to attorneys and will be given the opportunity to enter a plea, though they do not have to enter one, Hartmann said before the hearing began.
The other defendants are: Ramzi Binalshibh, said to have been the main intermediary between the hijackers and al-Qaida leaders; Ali Abd al-Aziz Ali, known as Ammar al-Baluchi, a nephew and lieutenant of Mohammed; al-Baluchi's assistant, Mustafa Ahmad al-Hawsawi.
Thats OK Edward- We'll continue to capture and kill terrorist and liberals can continue to try and obstruct methods of doing so and defend them.
In America, everyone has the right to an attorney. That is who we are. It's not about defending a terrorist. It's about Our constituion. It's about principle. It's about protecting you. Innocent until ..... If people are guilty under Our system they will pay for their crimes. I'm all for killing terrorist right on the spot but if the process starts it has to play out. I can't think of anything more anti American than, picking and choosing who gets a lawyer. Some times the guilty go free, sometimes the innocent are never exonerated. If you don't believe in that, you don't believe in America. Why don't we just chop their heads of like like your terrorist brothers do. You could be a spokemen for Iran. True Americans want terrorist killed and captured and there is no parodox to believe they have a right to lawyer.
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I hope(and am quite certain) that he is referring to your thoughts on the rioting that almost certain would take place if some nutjob was to assassinate Obama.
Ironic we are discussing this on the 40th anniversary of Robert Kennedy's murder, eh?
Local fishwrap had a front page story about it this morning-- RFK had been in the area less than 2 weeks prior to having been killed. The current mayor of Davenport let the paper publish a picture of him driving RFK from the airport to a rally in downtown.
No, not at all. I think someone misinterpreted something from when you were talking about a Russian business visitor or something?:shrug: You were mentioning his views and someone thought you were talking about yourself. ...I think.:shrug: That was you, right?
I think Obama has considered the risk and he is not as scared as you. What ever happens, America will be different. Win or lose, live or die. This guy is standing on hallowed ground. Some ask what has he ever done ? To come from anywhere to this point, would be a huge accomplishment. To come from where He comes from, is like a trip to the next universe. You don't get to soar in rarefied air fearing any man. He may not get there with us, most of us may not get there. America has taken one small step for man , one giant leap for man kind. We don't travel the same road from here. The Obama trail has changed the course.
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I wasn't calling you a racist if you were replying to my post. I was saying you might be close the truth concerning an assasination and rioting that would follow.
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No. That was another racist thread I started... :nono:
Yes, that was a Russian co-worker that was concerned about us picking him up at the Atlanta airport.
Everyone will be happy to know that his views have changed through experience as he spent two weeks in NYC and then 4 days in Atlanta with us.
When I bring up the gun comment, he is quite embarrassed of his listening to false hype from others there.
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I agree that we will see a different America no matter what.
You don't think he's worried? I'm willing to bet he has some pretty decent security surrounding him.
I'm sure he has his moments, we all face fear. The great ones are different. I'm sure his tolerance tops out way above mine.
Honestly, it is something that worries me. The black thing is an issue that will surely bring out the worst in some pretty unstable, ignorant people, let alone the money-changing angle.
I have to think that Edwards peeled off when he did to make his best case to be selected as V.P. But I think Hillary would make for the strongest ticket, and looking at much of what Barack has said recently looks like he thinks that, too. They will all circle the wagons and come up with something. Hillary can help carry the swing states - the ones that really matter in November, and that has to be one of the top couple of issues they will look at. Richardson could be another one considering his area, and being so close to McCain (territory-wise) and able to give some perspective there. Also think Wesley Clark would provide a nice contrast to Obama, and give independents some confidence in foreign policy and military strength - but I don't think overall would provide a stronger ticket than Hillary or Edwards.
I have to think that Edwards peeled off when he did to make his best case to be selected as V.P. But I think Hillary would make for the strongest ticket, and looking at much of what Barack has said recently looks like he thinks that, too. They will all circle the wagons and come up with something. Hillary can help carry the swing states - the ones that really matter in November, and that has to be one of the top couple of issues they will look at. Richardson could be another one considering his area, and being so close to McCain (territory-wise) and able to give some perspective there. Also think Wesley Clark would provide a nice contrast to Obama, and give independents some confidence in foreign policy and military strength - but I don't think overall would provide a stronger ticket than Hillary or Edwards.
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Does anyone else have a real problem with the thought of someone vying for the vice-Presidential spot for the chance of something happening?
I'm not saying that anyone in particular is, but the thought of it simply grosses me out. (spoken like a one of smurph's valley girls)
I'm not saying that anyone in particular is, but the thought of it simply grosses me out. (spoken like a one of smurph's valley girls)
Dawg,
I'm willing to bet he's got full Secret Service out the ying and in the yang. Same as McCain, even though he eschewed it for a long time. With as much as the candidates have going on I really wonder if either of them think about security all that much.
Sure Obama has security all around him but, it seems to me that if someone wants to get him they could do so. The security obviously makes that task more difficult but nonetheless, a marksman like Oswald could take a shot at one of these large multi-thousand people rallies.
Dawgs, how could this topic be racist? I realize you are not making the statement but, how could anyone claim that you are racist for bringing the obvious possibility up? We all know that there are people who hate blacks, browns, whites, yellows and/or anyone who isn't their own respective race.
If it occurs and I know, even the most ardent right wing poster on this board hopes and prays it does not, but if it does occur, I hope the assasin isn't white and from the south. Talk about feeding stereotypes.
AR, no one is losing sleep nor is paranoia the problem. Obsessive-compulsive, bi-polar, pedophilia, buggary and bestiality, yes, but paranoia, no way. As you and I both know, you are an old fart and remember the assination 60's. I just think many people who went through those years thought about Obama getting shot when he was working the crowd the other night. Seemed real reminisent of Bobby Kennedy.
Wayne, what can I say. You are unique.
Eddie
Dawgs, how could this topic be racist? I realize you are not making the statement but, how could anyone claim that you are racist for bringing the obvious possibility up? We all know that there are people who hate blacks, browns, whites, yellows and/or anyone who isn't their own respective race.
If it occurs and I know, even the most ardent right wing poster on this board hopes and prays it does not, but if it does occur, I hope the assasin isn't white and from the south. Talk about feeding stereotypes.
AR, no one is losing sleep nor is paranoia the problem. Obsessive-compulsive, bi-polar, pedophilia, buggary and bestiality, yes, but paranoia, no way. As you and I both know, you are an old fart and remember the assination 60's. I just think many people who went through those years thought about Obama getting shot when he was working the crowd the other night. Seemed real reminisent of Bobby Kennedy.
Wayne, what can I say. You are unique.
Eddie
edward...my friend...the only one that`s mentioned this unthinkable scenario is hillary clinton.....no one on the right.......and i really think she was taken out of context....
i have to think that the powers that be...on the right AND the left....realize that something untoward happening to bock is akin to a small nuclear weapon being detonated in every major inner city in this country.....
and that is just one reason why an obama presidency scares the bejesus outta me....
although,a clever terrorist might realize that this scenario might be a way to set this country back several hundred years..
i personally will literally pray that bock lives a long and fruitful life...(hopefully,in the senate)...
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I agree. I remember being very confused. But I live that way most of the time... :shrug:
I'm concerned for his safety too. I don't like him, but really, I would absolutely hate for somebody to hurt him for whatever backward reason they might have. I'm sure he probably has on a bpv at all times in public, doesn't he?
what kind of clever terrorist were you thinking about ? maybe a tim mcveigh type ? so what do you suggest, for the good of the country ? we wouldn't want to set the country back 200 yrs by electing a president that could be assassinated. maybe Ob should take one for the team and just go home.....you concern and prayers are..... I can't think of a word for it...
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I dont think he is in any more danger than
JFK, Bobby, and MLK.
and thats a sad state of affairs.
