Anyone hear this today? and thoughts on it.

[fletcher]

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6255918/

I would hate to be their first of all and if equipment is not safe or no protection i would be worried also. Looks like miltary is try to keep a lid on this. Is it wrong to say fuk you this is wrong and not safe? Or are you bound to do your duty no matter what, I don't know a lot about the miltary as being in it so really don't know what is right or wrong or is there a right or wrong when safety is a issue due to lack of proper equipment?

Thanks to those who respond, This is what I call a issue that needs to be addressed not like the junk that has been going on with election, and made or tried to make a point yesterday with the mary c post. way bigger things going on or at least i feel there is then to waste time on trying to win or keep a job, yes bush and kerry have to do their work but how about all the other elected people on the hill they could be working on things like this not going all over the country trying to get votes :cursin:

 

[Clem D]

Yea I heard this today. Very tough issue on the one hand you have to think well without protection they refused understandably,
but on the other hand people (their fellow soldiers were depending on them.

Don't they have contractors there getting paid 80k a year for this sort of thing? Maybe the reservists were thinking hell those guys are getting good hazard pay let them ****ers go

 

[BEACHBOY]

I think the money spent in Iraq is going to the big companys not for the soilder. Its going in the fat cats pockets, I read awhile back that these co. can not account for billions & billions of dollars but the gov. keeps on giving them more & more time to see if they can find it!!! never in history has a company got away with this and let them keep getting more & more contracts until they accounted for the money they have already gotten !!!!!!!

 

[danmurphy jr]

I can contribute a few points

1/Halliburton provides the security for this kind of duty
2/Equpment breakdowns are common as well as ambushes and kidnappings. 2 things will get you beheaded. Being an american and being with an american.
3/Unlike the old days, a direct order can be disobeyed without consequence if it makes no sense or puts the service personnel in unnecesary danger. The US hires mercenaries for dirty work. I'm not making it up.
4/Public sentiment will keep things in order. The military attitude promotes people with IQs of 20/20 in both eyes. These guys are National Guard, they probably should have been home months ago

 

[fletcher]

Thanks guys like I said not really up on military protocol , i would not know what the hell to do if I was a guardsmen and in a spot like they seem to be in at times.

 

[davidjg47]

Should this report be TRUE, it's not a good thing. A parent of one of the military personal said they received a letter, saying this was a fact. Remember, Dan Rather also reported a fact, that was FAR from the truth.. I suspect this is way over blown before election time, by some Kerry lover. Time will tell.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Thats right DAVID, anything that is not pro Bush is fictional. We have seen it in every thread. What we haven't seen is any proof that it is not factual. I will at least give you this, you are consistant; consistantly wrong.

 

[BEACHBOY]

HEY DAVID

Dan Rather wasn't wrong just that there was a problem with the paper work you said far from the truth it was true and thats a fact!!!

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

There are 120 people deployed in this unit last Dec--I can find no list of casualties out of this group since their arrival. They are reservist in Quartermasters unit transfering supplies via trucks.

here is one complaint

"I got a call from an officer in another unit early [on Thursday] morning who told me that my husband and his platoon had been arrested on a bogus charge because they refused to go on a suicide mission," said Jackie Butler, wife of Sergeant Michael Butler, a 24-year reservist.

"When my husband refuses to follow an order, it has to be something major," she told the Clarion Ledger."

Suicide mission??? Maybe they ought to transfer to something safer--I am sure the marines in fajallah would let them walk point for them while they drive their trucks??

Can we get an opinion from someone who stormed the beaches of Normandy when they knew 1/3 of them would not make it those 100 yards to cover on just what a suicide mission is.

I have NO sympathy for them even if they had to carry the gas by hand--my sympathy goes out to those who depend on these people to get supplies to them.

 

[danmurphy jr]

It was 2/3 on Normandy. A German POW asked a US CO, how many soldiers are you willing to sacrifice? How many bullets do you have left? was the reply.
I was hoping you guys couldn't get any stupider, please don't let me down. just criticize the grammer

 

[Chanman]

It was 2/3 on Normandy. A German POW asked a US CO, how many soldiers are you willing to sacrifice? How many bullets do you have left? was the reply.
I was hoping you guys couldn't get any stupider, please don't let me down. just criticize the grammer

I heard the Germans acted differently w/the French & Jews.
"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid."
Dwight D. Eisenhower

 

[fletcher]

See that is what i was wondering dtb, like i said I know you half to be there if you signed up or other, but it has to be the same as being on a college or pro sports team or even working with one, Everyone has a part and if that part has something missing or wrong then it will effect people down or up the line of the team in some way I would think.

Like i said i have no right to say they are wrong or right because I never servered, so i wanted to hear from others who have and to get some kind of under standing what duty means in truth.

I was going to ask my dad he was in spelling will be wrong but new guina for I think 3 years he is in his 70"s really don't know what war it was he does not talk about it much to me now they do at the vfw and the elks club which he goes to and belongs but to me i can not relate so we really never talk much about things like that.

thanks for the people trying to let me know what this is all about and if things like this have gone on in the past? I feel unfair for me to say anything since 1 I never servered 2 i really don't know much of the workings of the military. So I don't think i have a right to have a feeling on this or maybe I do since i pay taxes don't know if I do or not, but I never remember reading something like this ever, or maybe I just did not pay attation to it as much?

 

[fletcher]

Dan don't worry about grammer your in a thread that i started grammer is out the door with spelling

 

[danmurphy jr]

Let me address the last 2 posts, hopefully objective.
Cm, In modern, modern times 60s on up it defies the imagination how civilized societies could inflict horror on one another. Yet, back through the centuries wars were horribly fought = gas-scalping and worse. After the treaties were signed ending ww1, the germans owed millions in reparations. in the 20s french hooligans would foray into german towns reeking havoc on the citizenry. jews for whatever were able to survive and prosper when the average german could not.
enter a influential politician able to capitalize on fear - mix in hate-
a dash of economic hope and bingo.
sound famiiliar-liberal/conservative = whig/tory etc
Why didn't the Pope, Roosevelt, Churchill or any of them intervene? They could have stopped it.
Answers take common sense. The military mind-set doesn't use/have common sense

 

[danmurphy jr]

Mr F, if your dad is in his late 70s he would have landed in New Guinea around 1942. Marines and soldiers who were killed were the lucky ones. Dysentery, malaria and other jungle diseases were rampantwith little or no antidotes and not enough medics to treat the downs. They weren't flown in, billetted and protected by mercenaries(Halliburton, etal)
19 yr old wounded kids begging passing GIs to put them out of their misery and send his tags home to mom. looking at a GI w/no legs with only the thought that that could be me.
you didn't defy orders in 1942 because there was no turning back. today it's not hard to defy an order when it's been reduced to the second page and hardly on tv. remember embedding? They were a generation that will never be duplicated. no comparison

 

[Chanman]

dan- no matter what I say you will find fault w/it. Now if you believe common sense and dialogue are all one needs in today's society- well we disagree. The Chechen School massacre, Sudan, Iraq beheadings, and so on are all perpetrated on innocents and/or defenseless ppl. So Hitler could have been stopped by reason. You must live in a good neighborhood. You remind me of that old adage about "A liberal is a conservative who hasn't been mugged yet"- or something similar. Not putting you down, just having my say.
Ja, Auf Wiedersehen

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/GuestColumns/Collins20040510.shtml

I hope that everyone I would call a friend will NEVER forget this:
It is the soldier, not the reporter,
Who has given us freedom of the press.
It is the soldier, not the poet,
Who has given us freedom of speech.
It is the soldier, not the campus organizer,
Who has given us the freedom to demonstrate.
It is the soldier,
Who salutes the flag,
Who serves beneath the flag,
And whose coffin is draped by the flag,
Who allows the protester to burn the flag."
Amen. God bless America.
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[DOGS THAT BARK]

I can't believe it. I saw reporter on fox news ask a military guy if he didn't think they had the right to object if they thought it wasn't safe.

--and these parent/relative interviews--Wonder what their disposition would be if the time ever came one of their children serving were wounded and the medic or medivac told them,nope you'll just have to wait till its safe till we come help you.
--and for non military people think of the firefighters at 911 --did they refuse to go in because they thought it would be dangerous?
Certain jobs in life involve risk and if can live up to the task you need to find other employment.

 

[danmurphy jr]

some folks just don't get it. I don't believe you are stupid. you just have opinions, no clue, just opinions.
never underestimate(oh never mind)

 

[Chanman]

 

[THE KOD]

Dan don't worry about grammer your in a thread that i started grammer is out the door with spelling

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