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[djv]

Everyone knows thats a NO.
VP for MC Cain. I still say Thompson or Huck. He does not need Rudy. He needs help with the South. He's to old anyway. There's still time pull for Mitt.

 

[dawgball]

I like Toledo's thinking. Not that I entirely agree with everything, but I think that is impossible.

I think the major mistake we make as a voting public today is confusing our current two parties as representing even remotely what both were originally founded on. After years of vote-pandering, the parties hardly resemble anything except two items that everyone likes to argue about.

It's why I voted for Perot in my first election and would really like to see Paul win this year (even though I know it impossible). I would really just like to see someone outside of the party machines elected.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Dogs, do you think that the modern day republican party is about small government?

How about this--you list all the new entitlement programs proposed by the GOP candidates running --I'll do the ones on the Dems and we'll compare list--fair enough?

With that being said I will agree with you that during this admin--they certainly got away from old ways.

 

[AR182]

How Judi killed off Rudy Giuliani

BY HEIDI EVANS
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Thursday, January 31st 2008, 4:00 AM

She brought enough political baggage to fill a Louis Vuitton trunk.

Indeed, part of Rudy Giuliani's presidential flameout can be traced back to his Judi - the woman he fell for in a cigar bar in 1999 while he was the married mayor with a wife and two young children at home.

"She was a major part of the reason for Giuliani's collapse," said Larry Sabato, director of the University of Virginia's Center for Politics. "Rudy wanted to head up the 'family values' party, and Judi didn't fit that label. Even worse, Giuliani was estranged from his children. Their refusal to campaign for him spoke volumes to voters."

Among the low notes that brought national embarrassment to the one-time GOP frontrunner: her use of taxpayer-funded NYPD detectives as personal valets and chauffeurs while she was the mayor's mistress; revelations of a secret past marriage; and interrupting Giuliani's speech to the National Rifle Association with a cutesy cell phone call to say hi.

Mike McKeon, the campaign aide who was in charge of handling Mrs. Giuliani's national "roll-out" last March, said that despite her lack of campaign chops, she was an experienced public speaker who would remain on the trail.

"Judith is nothing but an asset, and, as the campaign continues, she's going to be a larger and larger asset," he had said. "She'll be one of our key surrogates."

Never happened. Judith Giuliani was rolled back inside the campaign tent as fast as she was rolled out.

Doubts emerged early about the former pharmaceutical sales rep's ability to be a polished stand-in for her husband.

At her first public appearance, a March fund-raiser in Manhattan, an unscripted Mrs. Giuliani rambled in front of 1,000 supporters. Guests winced when she talked about their first dates (he was a married man) and her ability to "pick up the phone as Judith Giuliani" and get the rich and famous to donate to her pet causes.

The rest of the month did not go much better. The former mayor's 21-year-old son, Andrew, said he would not be campaigning for his dad. "There's obviously a little problem that exists between me and his wife," he told an interviewer, exposing a deep family rift that remains.

Ten days later, the Daily News unearthed evidence of an earlier Las Vegas marriage, forcing her to concede she had been married not twice, but three times.

Giuliani also had to retract a comment during a Barbara Walters interview that, if elected, he'd allow his wife - a graduate of a two-year nursing program with no college degree - to sit in on cabinet meetings.

Press accounts were not flattering either, describing the 53-year-old Hazleton, Pa., native as a social climber who liked to spend Giuliani's post-9/11 cash.

In a Vanity Fair profile last fall, a Giuliani aide remarked that an "entire airplane seat was needed for Judith's 'Baby Louis' - a reference to her expensive Louis Vuitton handbag - which sits in solitary splendor on her travels."

Except for the past few weeks, where a doting Judith accompanied her husband on the stump in Florida, she largely remained behind the scenes.

Speaking to supporters in Orlando Tuesday night after he placed a distant third in a state where he once held a commanding lead, Giuliani turned first to his Judith, thanking her "for being a loving, patient and supportive partner."

"Rudy would have been in this boat even without her," said a longtime Giuliani associate. "But she wasn't an asset. She brought a lot of it on herself."

 

[smurphy]

Wease,
Conservatism is a disease, as well my friend.....not a whole heck of a lot of conservative success stories/achievements out there as far as I am concerned. I'd be interested in hearing what you consider to be the pure conservative's movement crowning achievement throughout American history.

What our country and what most of the world needs is a complete infusion together of the best parts all poliical genres bring to the table. As I have said, I have plenty of liberal and conservative tendencies within me.....it makes me a politcal outcast, for sure, because all everyone wants to do is line up blindly with one side or the other.

You conservatives think there's nothing good when it comes to Liberalism. You could not be farther from the truth. But, I would say the same thing to those who out and out trounce conservatism as well.......of course, part of the reason I consider myself a bit of a Liberal has nothing to do with certain political agendas or platforms, but because I can see and accept and encourage the value of other political thoughts....there's way too many people and geographic areas in this country with different needs. Thats why its foolish to subsrcibe to the "see the world in only black and white" mentality that most conservatives do. Its why the conservatives struggle when its their turn to run the show. They're so shocked by the different sets of grey in the real world that they dont know how to truly lead a great, diverse nation such as ours.

While I am not ready to throw my hat towards supporting anyone yet, I feel part of McCain's allure is that he does not seem to completely spit on and banish an entire political thought, such as Liberalism, because most people in this country are like me.....they have a little of this in them, and a little of that in them.......part of the reason the 1990s were a successful decade was because a democratic president embraced the conservative mantra (one that had been ignored even by republican presidents reagan and bush and clearly ignored by bush II) of a balanced budget.

There's value in all political thoughts and we need someone in this country who will work to cobble all of that together, rather than one who will completely shun and trash one side in favor of the other.....to often, the latter has been happening in modern American politics and we need a leader who will change that.

And since I just brought up the dreaded C word, I will sit back and wait for my proper lecture on that word from D.T.B.

Cheers. :0corn

Excellent. I agree about McCain - this is what I liked about him from 200-2004. It was DISGRACEFUL AND DISGUSTING the way the Rove-Bush machine trashed him in 2000. McCain has the ability to work well with both sides. Actually, so does Clinton. They say you've made a good compromise when neither side is totally happy. I hear all the time from the left that Hillary is too conservative and the right certainly isn't liking McCain much. That automatically makes me like both of them, probably moreso McCain.

 

[gardenweasel]

Wease,
Conservatism is a disease, as well my friend.....not a whole heck of a lot of conservative success stories/achievements out there as far as I am concerned. I'd be interested in hearing what you consider to be the pure conservative's movement crowning achievement throughout American history.


Cheers. :0corn

conservatism i.e federalism...i.e limited government...i.e.self determination vs your socialism...and socialism has failed everywhere...

we`re not talking kennedy democrats here...it`s the code pinks and the daily kos radical fringe that drives liberalism today...

and they`re all maniacs..


liberalsim is so damned great,why are all democrat`s "moderates?"....few cop to being liberal...because liberalism has become radical...

stupid ideas like national healthcare(that has failed everywhere)....all this environmental b.s...crap that will stifle our economy while china buzzes along....how we gonna stop chinese smog from drifting to california?...

maybe big fans on the coast made by haliburton?...lol

it` s game..they`re gaming you with the carbon credits and all that gar-bage...

"hey!!!..look at that big jet!.......it`s al gore!!!"...

puh-leeese....

we`re gonna become energy independent with windmills and different lightbulbs?...

i hope so....`cause we can`t drill in anwar.....or off our own coast(but the chinese can)......we can`t build nuclear reactors....we`ll just conserve while the other major economies say "f.u."....

you guys want to repeal the patriot act thats kept us safe even though nobody seems to have been ripped out of their beds and thrown in jail because bush didn`t like them...but,we have stopped terrorist attacks saving american lives by waterboarding and our surveillance....

how `bout them cherries?...

and morons like manchurian candidate senator liverspots(mccain) want to bring terrorists to our shores and give them habeas corpus and aclu shysters like edward....don`t remember that happening during ww2 or viet nam......do you?


yeah,it`s a disease...i have a keen grasp of the obvious...

just a thunbnail sketch off the top of my head,but i think you get the gist.......

but,like i said in another thread...i don`t iknow why you`re twistin` your melon....no reason to get pissy.....you guys have won...for now...

our side is sending a brain to vie for the w.h. who wants to close gitmo, and ban waterboarding, and who admits that the economy is not his strength.....

think about mccain in a debate with obama or cankles....mccain sounds sooo old and tired -- his voice quavers from time to time and his responses are simplistic, platitudes or often misinformed......

obama or hillary would shred him in debate...

am i disappointed?.....no...

i'm into raging depression....:rant2: :mj16:

 

[mabus]

Cheers to TP

I think everyone is tired of the partisan bullchit, which is what it is-bullchit. Nothing is accomplished, everyone bitches about petty chit. No one even thinks, just votes on party lines...
Clinton would bring nothing but more of it, same with Romney to a lesser degree I think.
McCain for me, Obama if its a democrat.

At least with those 2 there is a CHANCE of the political pissing contest ending for a time.

 

[Jabberwocky]

"conservatism i.e federalism...i.e limited government"

dude, do you pay attention to facts at all?