are there any public relations experts out there ?

[AR182]

because if there are any, please call the catholic church. they are in dire need of some pr help, & the sad truth is, they aren't aware of it.

i'm sure that everyone has heard about the bishop who did a hit & run job on someone who was crossing the street here in phoenix. the man who was struck & killed by the auto was a hard working father of 4.

when questioned about the accident the bishop said he thought he hit an animal. the fact that there were witnesses to the accident, that the bishop's car was heavily dented, & that his front windshield was smashed, this man didn't have the decency to stop. even if he really thought(who is he kidding) that he only hit an animal, he still should have looked to see what happen.

this bishop's credibility was an issue even before this accident. he has been accused of covering up the sexual escapades of his priests.but that seems to be par for the course since it seems to be a common practice for the priests to moleste young children, & for the bishops to either lie or cover up for them. and it isn't happening just in the u.s., there have been reports of this disgusting behavior of men of cloth in countries all over the world.

 

[TORONTO-VIGILANTE]

just to add:

The accident occurred after dark Saturday, when the 43-year-old Reed was struck by two cars as he crossed a street in the middle of the block about three miles from the bishop's home.

Both cars drove off. Police were still seeking information on the second car Tuesday.

yes, that bishop's actions are both disgusting and inexcusable should be removed from his post.

your fawking car is smashed, and you still keep on driving.....

even if it WAS an animal....don't you get out to look or stop to see what you hit????

i know i'd be pissed if something smashed my windshield.....i'd get out to look and see what the fawk hit me....???

 

[Iminforabuck]

It's amazing to me that all this corruption was kept under wraps so well for all these years.



By the way....I was walking out of Wal-Mart tonight and something slammed into my shoulder. I thought it must have been a sudden surge in the wind. I was totally shocked 20 minutes later when a cop put me in cuffs and said it was an 85 year old lady that I knocked unconsious.

 

[dr. freeze]

The history of the Catholic church is littered with corruption. I can't beleive the papacy has any ounce of credibility. Frank Keating correctly likened it to organized crime. Of course this killed his political career. Needless to say, he was right on the money with his comments.

If I were Catholic I would be sincerely questioning what was in my midst.

 

[djv]

I may have thought I hit a animal two with 2 quarts of red wine in me. Then go home. Find out a day later police are looking to talk with him. Befor calling police calls a auto class shop needing to get new winshield in his car. Ya I thought I hit a animal. well in away he's correct we are animals. I think.

 

[Blazer]

The Catholic Church is led by humans. Humans sin and should be punished for their sins. The church is still just that The Church.

Frank Keating thought he was enhancing his political career with his off color comments. Tsk tsk

Much like the falling of the leaves every autumn, this will pass. The church will remain.

The church has remained steadfast in adversity in the past and with the grace of the Holy Spirit it shall remain.

I don't understand your posts. Why are you agreeing with the news media now? In previous post you claim the media is "leftist" and holds an agenda adjacent to your political party and sways the truth or omits certain stories to portray the "right" as wrong. If you believe that wouldn't the same "shading of the media" take place against the Catholic Church?

The church has thousands of missions and aids millions of people everyday. The church is strong as ever on a global front. If you were to multiply every wrong done by humans who happen to be parts of the church tenfold you would still fall short of half of the good done by the church as a whole.

My friends I do not write this in any acceptance nor do I tolerate such actions by these men, but the PR you speak of is obvious. The mainstream media just doesn?t report it.

God Bless you and his church.

 

[dr. freeze]

this has nothing to do with the media.....

a church should hold its leaders accountable....and the Catholic church has failed to do so....

regardless of the deeds that the PEOPLE do, the leadership is corrupt....as it has been throughout history (i.e. selling penances etc. -- which led to the reformation)

now they are filled with perverts and the leadership protects them...and the papacy runs itself much like the mob as Keating correctly stated.....

how could this statement in anyway be thought to help his political career?

 

[AR182]

i just heard that when the bishop's sec't. told him that tha cops wanted to question him about leaving the scene of a crime, he desperately tried to have his windshield fixed.

the problem i have with this is that the bishop left the scene of a crime & may have been driving while drunk(he just left a party) & tried to cover the incident up. the cops said that the victim was jaywalking, so the bishop may not have even been charged with a crime.


blazer,

my problem with the church is that these bishops & priests think that they are above the law. people look at the church for moral guidance. and instead of helping people some of these men of the cloth are raping young boys & girls, & their superiors are then covering these crimes up. and to top all of this off, the att'y. for the vatican has said it is not up to the church to turn these sexual preditors in to the authorities. and the church wonders why less people are going to church. it shows me that they don't get it, & probably never will.

 

[selkirk]

"The church has thousands of missions and aids millions of people everyday.
The church is strong as ever on a global front. If you were to multiply every
wrong done by humans who happen to be parts of the church tenfold you
would still fall short of half of the good done by the church as a whole. "

agree, most of the good is not news worthy.like to see one poster do the humanitarian work that the sisters of mercy do in India. there has been some wrong done by the church and they should do a better job to correct these actions.

I am not catholic several people in my family are though (not religous). the local priest lives in a modest house and when not in church volunteers in the food bank. It is funny how the news media does not bother reporting on them.

thanks
selkirk

 

[AR182]

selkirk,

good stories seldom make the news. it is not sensational enough.

 

[Blazer]

Freeze,

Let me retort.

posted by Freeze: this has nothing to do with the media.....

The original question stated by AR182 was asking for PR help for the church. My post was in response to the fact that the church will never have the media attention on the good that it does rather the media focuses on the few (in comparison to the positive things) transgressions of a few members. So, in response to the original post the Media has everything to do with ?this?.

What else do you expect? Commercials? Do you want billboards of Catholics hanging out and doing good deeds? No thanks; we will leave that to the Mormons and The Southern Baptist Convention. The media is the only place ?PR? is broadcast for the church (other that in its works).

posted by freeze: a church should hold its leaders accountable....and the Catholic church has failed to do so.... regardless of the deeds that the PEOPLE do, the leadership is corrupt....as it has been throughout history (i.e. selling penances etc. -- which led to the reformation) now they are filled with perverts and the leadership protects them...and the papacy runs itself much like the mob as Keating correctly stated..

To say ?the leadership is corrupt? is to put a very pigeon holed view and project it across an incredibly vast assemblage. I?m sure there are corrupt people who work inside the church just as I am sure there are corrupt people in the government and in any position of power. The power of the church attracts corruption, just as your local church attracts corruption except the church is global. Keeping the greed out of the church is it?s biggest challenge. Learning from its mistakes is it?s best characteristic.

The church in the past has made some mistakes. That?s a given. The Crusades were a really bad idea. Selling penances was another terrible proposal. Martin Luther has good reasons to look to change the church too bad his need for power led him to leave and start his own, but I digress.

Perhaps (according to G. Gordon Liddy) the mistake the church is learning from now is accepting homosexuals as priests. The churches view on gays was ?piety is piety? and ?abstention is abstention? no matter what sexual preference. The ?don?t ask? idea was very prevalent in the American Catholic Church in the last 20 years. Notice the minor ?priest problem? you speak of is not a problem with little girls; it?s usually little boys who are abused. Yes, sometimes little girls are hurt, but in contrast to little boys it is rare (upon rare). Also, there are little to no events like this globally.There are Catholic Churches in every established nation where there is religious freedom. It is truly a worldwide church. There are no such events in the Australian Churches or the Irish Churches, just the American Churches where this ?don?t ask? philosophy took place.

 

[Blazer]

Originally posted by AR182
blazer,

my problem with the church is that these bishops & priests think that they are above the law. people look at the church for moral guidance. and instead of helping people some of these men of the cloth are raping young boys & girls, & their superiors are then covering these crimes up. and to top all of this off, the att'y. for the vatican has said it is not up to the church to turn these sexual preditors in to the authorities. and the church wonders why less people are going to church. it shows me that they don't get it, & probably never will.

The Church is above the law. If one is to truly ?live like Christ? one must ignore the authorities when it comes to matters of faith. Christ lived ?above the law? and preached that he was the son of God on ?holy ground? and often broke common laws of cohabitation and the whole ?Sabbath thing? (John 5:18). Christ did have respect for his laws. ?I have kept my Father's commandments" (John 15:10).

The Vatican is the law in this sense.

Still the church is in process of sending out the predators and cleansing itself of its newest mistake. One has to give the Church time. Changes come slow in anything that is 2000 years old. The predators will be found and dismissed. The stain will remain to keep it form happening again. The light is truth. The truth is the Church is alive and well with or without positive American Media ?PR?.

A further examination of this crime leads one down a dark path. The true reason for the "stonewalling of Keating" is the protection of the church from lawsuits. The church is self-cleaning, as it has done in previous times of peril as stated earlier. This time there are at least 60 lawsuits pending against the Church. Some of these lawsuits may be true and some of these people may have been hurt, but I would venture to guess not all. In these times of money hungry greed and public compensation the church cannot openly expose its sins. The legal system would have a field day.

The Church will clean it?s own mess just as it has done over the centuries. Sad to say but it can ill afford to do it any other way.

 

[TBONEZ0295]

blazer,

my problem with the church is that these bishops & priests think that they are above the law. people look at the church for moral guidance. and instead of helping people some of these men of the cloth are raping young boys & girls, & their superiors are then covering these crimes up. and to top all of this off, the att'y. for the vatican has said it is not up to the church to turn these sexual preditors in to the authorities. and the church wonders why less people are going to church. it, shows me that they don't get it, & probably never will. [/QUOTE

NICE post AR182- I unfortunately had a rather unpleasent cituation with the catholic church and there cover ups myself.
About 4 years ago my 4 children attended the local elememtary cath school in my parish. My oldest son had some problems with some boys prior to the start of school . The problems escilated into the start of school violant threats dirrected at my son daily . I eventually had to tell the kid along with his dad he needed to tune 1 of these kids up and they will leave you alone. So basically I gave him permission to kick some azz.............(I HAD TO ) I was not given any support through the parents of the offenders of course there sons would not say such things The school principal was no help either. I eventually took my matters to Monsenor Garvin who is the head of that particular parish. STILL NO HELP I confronted father garvin with questions. I informed him that all of the neighboring cath. schools INFORCE THE NO TOLERANCE POLICY
His response to me was I have also been doing research MRS.XXXXXXXX and I would like to know "WHERE YOUR SUNDAY OFFERING HAS BEEN ???


almost blown out of my chair from this response the decision to start making plans for a new school for ALL of my kids was in the works.........

Unfortunately just days after, my son was jumped by 5 boys 4 students of st. chris 1 a freshman in high school that graduated from st.chris 4 boys held my son down and held a knife to his neck. These were the threats they were making at school to my kid . My son did not tell me right away..........what happened is in this time span 4 kids came to my front door and pushed my daughter out of the way knocked her friend to the ground YES IN MY HOUSE and insisted to find my son..............he was not home

I was like a mad women BELIEVE ME.....when I got home that day. That is when my son told me about getting jumped they threaten to cut him if he told:shrug:

after calling 5 parents and getting NO WHERE because these little angels would never DO SUCH A THING i MARCHED MY ASS RIGHT INTO THE PARISH DEMANDING MY $$$$$ AND TELLING THIS PIECE OF SH*T EXCUSE FOR A PRIEST THAT i WAS GOING TO THE ARCHDIOSE, CARDNAL BEVALAQUA,THE BOARD OF EDUCATION our LOCAL STATE REPS OFFICE GEORGE KENNEY " WHO'S CHILDREN ALSO SCHOOL THERE and he threatened to call the police on "ME".............................. and refused me a dime back MIND YOU IT WAS ONLY the 1st of october??????

Next I got on the phone with the NE detectives and reported each little bastard...........................................
the highschool kid came out of Archbishop Ryan hishschool in handcuffs and remained in a detention center for a week and then was released on house arrest..............he was the kid with the knife...........

the other 4 boys that were also involved and hed the balls to come threw my front door were charged with a # of things including aggravated asssault breaking and entering robbery and there were more the subject just gets me so fired up I can't remeber...............

my first call to my friend MONSENOR GARVIN (not) was for transfer papers and he refused them .............I went to 2 neighboring parishes to find school for my children...........Both schools were willing to gladly enroll my kids Untill they asked what the reason was I was told they would get back to me and when they did , they both told me that they were sorry they didn't have the room mad: YEH RIGHT NO ROOM great excuse "CAN YOU write me a formal letter stating these circumstances? of course they declined Now with an attorney involved and the threat to sue the ARCHDIOSIE I had to make a decision you can not sue them unless you want to fight with the most powerful $$$$$$$$$$ around and my kids would not be able to finish school in a catholic school inviroment. I WAS BLACKBALLED

the boys in question returned to the school and were stood behind .........
ANYONE want to guess why??????

1 child was a police officers son
1 child was a retired sgt. grandson
3 of the kids parents BIG contributers in the sunday basket...............

2 weeks later damage occured in front of the church where new lighting was put in .................antone want to guess who got caught doing this YUP 2 of these boys were involved..............still they cover these kids up

I eventually found a school outside of the city and am very happy there and so are were the kids ...............I am sorry if I went on a rant but the cover ups are just digusting in my eyes they occure more than we know or than i would like to admit being a catholic Why is it that they can get way with some of this stuff its just an outrage not to mention they should not freely give out drivers license to all priests "most of them are totally lit half the time.................and as far as media attention the cath church only gets that when boys are raped and kids are beaten to death on the parish steps "which did occure here in philly a few years back........."

Please excuse my grammer I have a follower who has insisted to break my balls everywhere I go But I do hope you understood my read..........

 

[Iminforabuck]

I understood your post just fine.

How unbelievably sad. All you need is a good sum of money or to hold a prominent position in this f*cking world....and you and those around you are assured of very rarely ever being held accountable for your actions.

So then the message is sent clearly to a majority of people: Play by the rules or you'll pay a price....and if someone in a certain tax bracket or position in society doesnt comply with those rules, you must understand the 'tough shit' or 'price to pay' clause does not apply.


Sorry TBONEZ.....I feel for your situation. I've been there.

 

[Blazer]

TBonez- Your post is worthy of a different thread.

There is no excuse for the "where has your money been" comment and I wish you had that on tape. It you engage in additional talks with this jackass wear a wire. You can buy several different types via the net on the cheap.

The kid?s story is told from your perspective from your child. Not to assume you are wrong, but I also leave room for self-indulgent embellishment. It?s not often that people get ?jumped? for no reason. Notwithstanding it?s a church the fact remains it was not a fruitful situation for your family to be in.

I am glad you have found peace.

 

[AR182]

blazer quote:"The Church is above the law. If one is to truly ?live like Christ? one must ignore the authorities when it comes to matters of faith."


WRONG!!!

we are talking about raping of young kids & the cover-up of the crime. you can rationalize it any way you want, but again i will say, NOBODY IS ABOVE THE LAW.


tbonez,

sorry to hear about your son. glad everything turned out well.

 

[dr. freeze]

no kidding that "church is above the law" comment is one of the biggest misinterpretations of Scripture I have ever seen....

"the law" specifically refers to the law of the old covenant which the Jews were under....after the new covenant, we are freed from this bond through grace

as far as the government -- we are to submit to that law -- as long as it does not interfere with God's holy law...I see nowhere in the Bible where the Vatican is referred...rather, the Vatican has attempted throughout the HISTORY of the church to supercede the Bible which has led to great reforms thankfully

Once again today, the papacy tries to manipulate and deceive its church...a mark of a group outside of God's will....and thus the papacy should be abandoned by the church and a new order put forth

 

[TBONEZ0295]

The kid?s story is told from your perspective from your child. Not to assume you are wrong, but I also leave room for self-indulgent embellishment. It?s not often that people get ?jumped? for no reason. Notwithstanding it?s a church the fact remains it was not a fruitful situation for your family to be in.

I am glad you have found peace.

Well to some you are correct the story being told by a child HMMMMMMMMMM does make you kind of wonder, but you need to know I have 3 other kids telling me the same story+ the fact of the matter is I have raised some very decent children and my son was new at the school his teachers refered to him as a gentle GIANT" untill a couple of football coaches got there hands on him," lol so he was prime target................

 

[Blazer]

Originally posted by AR182
blazer quote: "The Church is above the law. If one is to truly ?live like Christ? one must ignore the authorities when it comes to matters of faith.

we are talking about raping of young kids & the cover-up of the crime. you can rationalize it any way you want, but again i will say, NOBODY IS ABOVE THE LAW[/i]

Hey, read it again...."The Church is above the law. If one is to truly ?live like Christ? one must ignore the authorities when it comes to matters of faith."

"The law of the land" specifically refers to the law of the land. Grace or not Christ broke the law of the land. Interpret that if you believe Christ is without sin, then one must conclude that in matters of faith one may ignore the authorities and do the right thing. To put it another way, to be Christ-like one sometimes has to break the law.

I do not condone the wrongdoers. The church will cleanse itself. It always has. It always will.

Once again today, the papacy leads the church. A path that is sometimes hard to follow. A mark of a true people in the path of God's will. As previously stated the Catholic Church has been around for 2000+ years. The roots of the church can be traced all the way to St. Peter. OK, so the Vatican is a little "old school" and it takes time to change, react, and punish. The Church will always remain.