danmurphy jr said:
and now, amazingly enough, taxpayers will now likely have to honor the *lease* of these ships even tho noone wants to go to them.
Are these evacuees in the Astrodome nuts?
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and now, amazingly enough, taxpayers will now likely have to honor the *lease* of these ships even tho noone wants to go to them.
2,500 were supposed to come up to Cape Cod Mass. but, I guess no one wanted to go... I guess the Idea of a New England winter wasn't too appealing... :scared
Noone wanted to go, huh. I guess they just pick and choose. We have 200 or so here in Fort Myers and around 4,000 statewide.
Kind of unrelated, but did anyone see where FEMA sent a plane to Charleston, WV, but alerted Charleston, SC that it would be coming there. So South Carolina scrambled and got all sorts of supplies, shelters etc for nothing. And West Virginia got a big surprise.
Kind of unrelated, but did anyone see where FEMA sent a plane to Charleston, WV, but alerted Charleston, SC that it would be coming there. So South Carolina scrambled and got all sorts of supplies, shelters etc for nothing. And West Virginia got a big surprise.
Ohhh - no, Tommy Boy mixed up Columbus, SC and Columbus, OH. That's right. Had Columbus, SC set for overnight delivery when it should have been 2-day.
I hope FEMA at least has a loveable fat guy somewhere in management. Otherwise, it doesn't seem like they have many redeeming qualities these days.
I hope FEMA at least has a loveable fat guy somewhere in management. Otherwise, it doesn't seem like they have many redeeming qualities these days.
Uh oh, I emailed my girl this thread as it is interesting, and this is the reply I get :scared See what I deal with :sadwave: I mean that in a good way of course, but Kosar she likes you :cursin:
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Kosar has his act together. I know you post at length sometimes so the
following is what I would say to these folks for them to think about if
I had my own login:
Kosar is correct, the housing, resources, shelters, etc. available to
the victims that are currently living in for example, the Astrodome, is
available to everyone that was a victim of the hurricane. Federal
relief is not reserved for those that WERE living under the poverty
line, or for those that were unemployed BEFORE the hurricane. The
magnitude of this disaster effected and is effecting people of all
racial and socioeconomical categories in many of the same ways.
Granted, some are worse off than they were before and will have perhaps
a more difficult and long road to recovering to some level at or
slightly above where they were before (likely because they have no
insurance, no savings, no retirement fund to draw from, etc.) Bottom
line, if your home was destroyed regardless of whether it was a shack or
an antebullum mansion, and you have no where else to go, someplace will
be provided for you. If all of your belongings were either destroyed by
the storm itself or the flood waters, primarily your food and your
clothes, those will also be provided. This is what Americans do for
other Americans, regardless of "who" they were or what they "had" before
the tragedy. Kindness, generosity, and good intentions should not be
reserved for only those that anyone deems "worthy" on the basis of their
race, economical status, employment status or anything else. To offer
and provide assistance to those you are judging at the same time meets
none of the above credentials: kindness, generosity, or good intentions.
That said, all of those affected were in very different places,
literally and metaphorically, in their lives before this disaster
happened. Specifically in the case of New Orleans and the Superdome, we
have all heard that they lived paycheck to paycheck and did not have the
resources to get out. You may ask, how come they didn't just hitch a
ride? The answer: poor people only know other poor people. Do they have
credit lines to just put a rental car, gas, and hotel lodging on a
credit card? No. This was allegedly a mandatory evactuation...how
mandatory was it if they were not provided with the means to leave? How
does a poor person respond to the "mandatory" evacuation if no one
ensures they get out to safety? If it was really mandatory, it should
have been mandatory in EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD. Another southern state
has the "Magic marker" strategy. Officials, after ordering a mandatory
evacuation go door to door to find those remaining. If they refuse to
leave, they hand them a permanent marker and tell them to write their
social security number on their body so they can be ID'd after the
storm. Now that is how the job gets done, and that is how it should
have been done in N.O.
Moving on to the events at the Superdome. Any elementary sociologist
can tell you what happened there is not a surprise. Shocking,
horrifying, depressing, YES. Surprising? No. I get cranky after I have
extended my hunger beyond a few hours from when it began. Days of
starvation start with irritability, increased anger, enhaustion, then
followed by delerium. That's the normal person. Now mix in drug addicts
that are now going thru withdrawal because they couldn't bring their
drugs in with them, and now mix in all the people who suffer from mental
disease, specifically paranoid schizoprenia, which exists in the
homeless and extreem poor in disproportionate frequency. Put all of
these thousands of people in a dark, wet, un-manned, un-officiated, and
un-provisioned FOOTBALL ARENA, that has no plumbing, electricity, food,
water, beds, or communications capability, and guess what happens? This
is Lord of the Flies theory folks, we as humans are glorified animals
(and at this point I would add, it is hard to determine who is more
animalistic...those that starved in a sports arena in the USA, or the
local and federal goverments that failed to help them).
So there are a couple of ships out there that can house some of these
people for a month? Guess what? Person X has just lost their home in
the storm of the century, lost their job - meeger as it may have been,
watched their children starve while listening to never ending promises
for food, water and rescue that came several days late, been bused to a
state they know nothing about, wearing the same stinky and wet clothes
they wore when they fled the storm, lost loved ones to death and
illness, are still missing other loved ones and have no idea if they are
still alive or dead, and you want to move them again and you are
surprised they don't want to go???? They have been through the trauma
of their lives, seen things most of us will never, ever see. And here
they are being critized for not wanting to be moved again.
We as a nation (myself included), and the media continuously focus and
fester on the pathetic stories of the looting of objects not necessary
for survival, the rapes, the murders, etc. These are the stories that
get focused on and get the most attention because they are the most
despicable and the most sensational. For some odd reason, we Americans
are much more fascinated with the macabre than we are with anything even
remotely more positve than say, an evacuee coming home only to find
looters in her home that shoot her dead. These horrible stories are not
the common, they are not the norm, they are not typical of what "those
people" do, have experienced, or are currently experiencing. Yet we buy
into it and perpetuate it. Shame on us.
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Kosar has his act together. I know you post at length sometimes so the
following is what I would say to these folks for them to think about if
I had my own login:
Kosar is correct, the housing, resources, shelters, etc. available to
the victims that are currently living in for example, the Astrodome, is
available to everyone that was a victim of the hurricane. Federal
relief is not reserved for those that WERE living under the poverty
line, or for those that were unemployed BEFORE the hurricane. The
magnitude of this disaster effected and is effecting people of all
racial and socioeconomical categories in many of the same ways.
Granted, some are worse off than they were before and will have perhaps
a more difficult and long road to recovering to some level at or
slightly above where they were before (likely because they have no
insurance, no savings, no retirement fund to draw from, etc.) Bottom
line, if your home was destroyed regardless of whether it was a shack or
an antebullum mansion, and you have no where else to go, someplace will
be provided for you. If all of your belongings were either destroyed by
the storm itself or the flood waters, primarily your food and your
clothes, those will also be provided. This is what Americans do for
other Americans, regardless of "who" they were or what they "had" before
the tragedy. Kindness, generosity, and good intentions should not be
reserved for only those that anyone deems "worthy" on the basis of their
race, economical status, employment status or anything else. To offer
and provide assistance to those you are judging at the same time meets
none of the above credentials: kindness, generosity, or good intentions.
That said, all of those affected were in very different places,
literally and metaphorically, in their lives before this disaster
happened. Specifically in the case of New Orleans and the Superdome, we
have all heard that they lived paycheck to paycheck and did not have the
resources to get out. You may ask, how come they didn't just hitch a
ride? The answer: poor people only know other poor people. Do they have
credit lines to just put a rental car, gas, and hotel lodging on a
credit card? No. This was allegedly a mandatory evactuation...how
mandatory was it if they were not provided with the means to leave? How
does a poor person respond to the "mandatory" evacuation if no one
ensures they get out to safety? If it was really mandatory, it should
have been mandatory in EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD. Another southern state
has the "Magic marker" strategy. Officials, after ordering a mandatory
evacuation go door to door to find those remaining. If they refuse to
leave, they hand them a permanent marker and tell them to write their
social security number on their body so they can be ID'd after the
storm. Now that is how the job gets done, and that is how it should
have been done in N.O.
Moving on to the events at the Superdome. Any elementary sociologist
can tell you what happened there is not a surprise. Shocking,
horrifying, depressing, YES. Surprising? No. I get cranky after I have
extended my hunger beyond a few hours from when it began. Days of
starvation start with irritability, increased anger, enhaustion, then
followed by delerium. That's the normal person. Now mix in drug addicts
that are now going thru withdrawal because they couldn't bring their
drugs in with them, and now mix in all the people who suffer from mental
disease, specifically paranoid schizoprenia, which exists in the
homeless and extreem poor in disproportionate frequency. Put all of
these thousands of people in a dark, wet, un-manned, un-officiated, and
un-provisioned FOOTBALL ARENA, that has no plumbing, electricity, food,
water, beds, or communications capability, and guess what happens? This
is Lord of the Flies theory folks, we as humans are glorified animals
(and at this point I would add, it is hard to determine who is more
animalistic...those that starved in a sports arena in the USA, or the
local and federal goverments that failed to help them).
So there are a couple of ships out there that can house some of these
people for a month? Guess what? Person X has just lost their home in
the storm of the century, lost their job - meeger as it may have been,
watched their children starve while listening to never ending promises
for food, water and rescue that came several days late, been bused to a
state they know nothing about, wearing the same stinky and wet clothes
they wore when they fled the storm, lost loved ones to death and
illness, are still missing other loved ones and have no idea if they are
still alive or dead, and you want to move them again and you are
surprised they don't want to go???? They have been through the trauma
of their lives, seen things most of us will never, ever see. And here
they are being critized for not wanting to be moved again.
We as a nation (myself included), and the media continuously focus and
fester on the pathetic stories of the looting of objects not necessary
for survival, the rapes, the murders, etc. These are the stories that
get focused on and get the most attention because they are the most
despicable and the most sensational. For some odd reason, we Americans
are much more fascinated with the macabre than we are with anything even
remotely more positve than say, an evacuee coming home only to find
looters in her home that shoot her dead. These horrible stories are not
the common, they are not the norm, they are not typical of what "those
people" do, have experienced, or are currently experiencing. Yet we buy
into it and perpetuate it. Shame on us.
Oh man. ....I'm picturing that commercial where the referee is calmly doing his job completely oblivious to the coach screaming in his ear. The voice asks something like " how is he able to focus and do his job? Where does get that ability?" Then they show the same referee at home patiently doing something, with his wife babbling nonstop in his ear. Again, he's oblivious to the noise around him.
We all like Kosar.
We all like Kosar.
She is great, but didnt smoke enough pot growing up and has too many brain cells remaining. :mj07:
lol- she definitely has plenty of brain cells left, agent, if she agrees with me. You got a good one!
Smurphy, of course everybody likes me, that goes without saying.
Smurphy, of course everybody likes me, that goes without saying.
LMAO, I have instructed her to create her own identity on here. I cant be having this nonsense under my name. She will be on her own soon :sadwave:
LMAO
LMAO
