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Eddie Haskell

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You know, I've been thinking. In typical right wing fashion, our conservative friends on board here and nationally continue to refer to media as liberal. As the old adage goes, the best defense is an offense.

I would suggest to you that the media is not only not liberal but rather is controlled by conservative America. How's that for a double negative. I think that the national media is under the control of corporate America.

Here's my point. How does the national media, television and radio, earn money. Advertising of course. Who advertises? Not the trial lawyers (en masse, anyway), unions and poor of this country. Insurance companies, manufacturers, hospitals, drug manufacturers and the rest of corporate America.

Okay, so if the electronic media is dependent upon advertising dollars from corporate America to survive, they are obviously beholden to them. I mean after all the parent companies of NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX, MSNBC, CNN, ClearChannel and Sinclair have stockholders who the officers must answer too.

On the other hand, the print media, I don't believe is not so dependent upon advertising dollars for their life blood but, rather seem to draw the majority of their revenues from circulation. PBS and NPR, likewise are dependent upon listener contributions, endowments, and government allowances for their survival (although I believe the government $'s have been significantly reduced).

Okay, so you have the electronic media, for the most part, dependent upon corporate America for their survival. You have the print media, for the most part, dependent upon circulation and sales for their survival. Then you have PBS and NPR, to some extent, needing government support.

In my view, the news should be fair, balanced and present both sides of an issue (not Fox's definition of fair and balanced). I also would like the news and information as unfiltered as possible. I don't want some producer saying we can't run this story because we may affect our revenue stream.

To my point, I believe that the number of people, not just Americans, injured and killed in Iraq is news. I further believe that American bodies coming home from Iraq and American soldiers missing limbs is news. We saw this in the 60's and I believe if fed the anti-war movement.

Is that bad? Is it bad to know the cost of war? Is it bad to see the reality of war, whether good or bad? President Bush says things are going well but we aren't 100% yet. We don't see pictures of this on the news so our right wing friends say the media is liberal, wants Bush out, and is withholding the good stories.

My thought is that, based on the Viet Nam experience of broadcasting the body bags and footage of the war, corporate america has said to the electronic media, you can run those stories if you want too but we will pull our ads. In my view, corporate america has used financial leverage to dictate to the electronic media which stories to run and which stories not to run.

Now, you might argue, that the media is liberal since they don't show the good we have done in Iraq and Afganistan. However, who is telling us that there is good being done in those countries? Who is telling us that the vast majority of the Iraqi people welcome us as liberators and that the problems are being caused by a minority of insurgents? The answer, George W. Bush and those that support this war.

Don't you think that if the war was going as well as Bush says it is, that corporate America would go to, in my view, their agents in the electronic media and say "run those stories"? I would think so. Maybe, just maybe, the war is going very badly and we are not the liberators that Bush thought the Iraqis would welcome us as.

Corporate America wants Bush re-elected. They do not want the numbers of dead and injured brought up in the news. Why don't we question why the government chooses not to release those numbers? I mean, really, isn't the number of killed and injured in Iraq news.

Obviously, they have to show the number of dead Americans. They can't bury that story (pun intended). I believe we are getting selected news filtered by corporate america. Are we really a free country if our decisions are based upon what others want us to hear and information vital to those decisions are being witheld based upon the dictates of Proctor and Gamble?

I submit that we do not receive all the facts. Truth is secondary to profit. And I really question whether or not we live in a free America or one that is controlled from a corporate executive board room.

Eddie
 

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Thank you my little yellow friend. Do you think that my post was jaded and subjective or am I truly, as I believe, fair, balanced, unreproachable and objective?

Eddie
 

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Actually, print media depend greatly upon advertising much moreso than circulation revenue. Obviously, the size of circulation directly influences the amount of advertising they are going to receive, but that is the same in all media. A commercial during the last episode of Friends is much more than a commercial during a Moesha (you're welcome, Eddie) rerun.

You are correct that the number of dead is news for us. We need to know the cost (in lives) of this war. But according to the few people (5) that I know that have been in Iraq during this war at some time, there are many "good-light" stories that we don't hear in our daily news. That would be fair and balanced.

Just a neo-con opinion.
 

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Dawg, I'll take your word for it as that was just a guess on my part. However, frankly I'm shocked that a 30 second spot during the Super Bowl would cost more than a 30 second spot during Moesha.

If there are good things going on in Iraq and the media's financial base is corporate america and if corporate america wants Bush re-elected, then why are we not seeing the good things in Iraq on tv. I mean what benefit does a media company derive from not showing positive stories about Iraq when those that pay its bills want such stories shown?

I also wonder what is the basis for those that support the proposition that the media is liberal. I mean, why would the media not want Bush in the white house. Instead of arguing that they just don't like Bush (although a feeling to which I can relate) what would be their motivation for disliking republicans and Bush.

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Dawgball is correct about newspapers. Advertising and circulation are completely intertwined. Papers rely more on the ads for revenue, but the ad rates are determined by circulation.

I was made painfully aware of this fact about a month ago. I'm not sure if any of you read/heard about this, but a certain major metropolitan newspaper (let's just say it's in the Dallas/Fort Worth area) was discovered to have inflated its circ numbers over the last year or two. Which drove up rates. Meaning there were quite a few companies that were very upset and owed money. So suddenly this paper owes this money back to the companies that had bought ads, and has to cut costs somewhere. Do they axe the ********** upper-class execs that fudged numbers so their revenue-based bonuses would be bigger than they should have been? Oh no, they slash lower-level writing opportunites and suddenly several writers don't have the income coming in that they were expecting, and.... well you get the picture. Rant over.
 

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"the bunker"
gobbledygoop....spin...b.s....

no positive stories on iraq.....and there are some...

no reports of gunfire into republican headqtrs in kentucky....

imagine if bush had referred to anyone "lesbian"in john kerry`s family......or john kerry`s divorces....

the media is so liberal,it`s frightening...

this may be where edward gleaned his material...

LIBERALSLANT


The so-called Liberal Media are owned by large Conservative corporations that dictate control over biased news reporting in major newspapers and on major television networks. The media are conservative just like their owners and sponsors. You're getting the "News" the way that they want you to see it. This web site offers alternative news and political commentary on such subjects as gun control, bias in the media, George W. Bush, John Kerry, John Edwards, Dick Cheney, Halliburton, civil rights, the environment, media ownership, separation of church and state, religion, Afghanistan, Iraq, the war on terrorism, election coverage, so called "Christian" conservatives and many other political and non-political issues. You haven't formed an intelligent opinion if you've only looked at an issue from one angle.

nice try...next time be a little more original...
 

Eddie Haskell

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Weasel:

Have no idea what your talking about. My ideas are not only brilliant and right on target but they are also original. Other than name calling I would like to here your slant on the substance of my post. I believe it is good to get all perspectives including those from 3rd graders.

I will say this though, I did not like Kerrys reference to the muff diving daugher of the felon. I mean what does he think he has to gain from pointing out that she, like I, likes to carpet munch. Kerry aint gonna get the religous right vote anyway so I thought that comment didn't help but rather may have hurt him.

Eddie
 

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you are truly one of the pillars of the forum....i was just looking out for you......

you could get sued for plagiarism...

i wouldn`t want that...

try to help a liberal,and what do you get.....a smacked ass...

your friend;

the other g.w...
 

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Local papers in smaller cities live by the Adds. But they are more local adds then ones from large outfits. But they to need good circulation numbers to survive. Adds will never be enough. They cant charge lke TV can. A few bigger city papers can charge more of course. But im sure they dont get for super bowl articals or follow up nothing like TV does. So they do need folks shelling out there 50 cents a day.
 

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Eddie Haskell said:
I usually like to keep my posts short, crisp, to the point, and brilliant.

Ed
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I try to just read the brilliant parts.
 

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Edward

"Who advertises? Not the trial lawyers (en masse, anyway"
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Eddie Haskell

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Wayne:

So I guess your point is that trial lawyers advertise en masse and that the electronic media will cowtoww to this group of devils as their advertising dollars support the national media instead of corporate america.

You cite a class action lawyers ads about Vioxx as proof of your point. In addition, these ads are on the internet. Hardly the forum which generates advertising dollars. We are talking about the electronic media which you and your progeny have called liberal ever since I began posting here. The reality is they are supported by your friends in conservative, corporate America.

I guess your right Wayne, those guys who advertise for such diseases like that metholisioma guy amd these Vioxx guys spend more advertising dollars than insurance companies, beer companies, proctor and gamble, johnson and johnson, food companies, car companies, clothing stores, drug companies, shoe companies, health care organizations, small businesses on local tv, car dealers, ad nauseum.

You have no credibility. Once again, the emporer has no clothes.

Scottie:

Congratulations on reading 1,764 of my posts.

Garden W. Weasel:

I appreciate your looking out for me. I do feel quite beat up by Wayne as his arguments, although nonsenisical and misleading such as his point herein, are relentless. You are a true friend and a truely inspiring poster.

I look forward to your unique and succint insight into the problems of the day that face each and every one of us. You are truely an inspiration to those of us on both the right and the left. I think I love you.

Ed

Ed
 
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