Are you pissed off @ the right folks??
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Interesting, no?
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Cie I've gathered over the years you are a pretty smart fellow. So normally I would respond to the utter absurdity of your post and try to educate said poster but I'm pretty sure you are aware of the absurdity.
How about the breakdown for those of us paying about 40% tax? It's a pretty. Simple formula really. Once I hit a certain point, when I factor in 39% fed tax and state tax and office overhead it's a lot of extra work to keep a very small %. So I just hit that point yearly and take more time off to be there for raising my kids in the for formative years. Those that really pay the price are my staff because not working those extra hours takes bread off their table. Now as predictable as MJs is there will be those saying what a dick I am etc. but the reality is if I work an extra 6 hours a week to collect an extra 200k per year, only to take care of my overhead and pay top bracket taxes and keep 20k when it's all said and done it's just not worth working those extra hours. The time with my kids is worth much more.
Don't get me wrong. I really have no issue paying taxes. I just wish those tax dollars were spent well vs wasted.
Your post though is really bottom feeder type shit.
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Where do corporations get these magical "corporate subsidies"? I'm a corporation. My effective tax rate is almost 40%. I took loans out for all of my education and to finance my practice that started day 1 with zero patients. But I would love to get my hands on those magical subsidies.
Cie, I have no clue if those numbers are correct and I really don't care because it doesn't matter to me. This isn't political at all. The fact is, the Corps in this country are currently what help make the wheel go around. Farmers also make that wheel go around and they also get subsidies. And again I don't have a problem with it because they're helping the wheel. If we didn't have those big corps we would haven't the big paying jobs out there that a lot of people work to get.
A good % of the stamps and welfare people aren't helping in any way. They're just taking at this point and not helping the wheel so yeah I think that's what upsets people.
A good % of the stamps and welfare people aren't helping in any way. They're just taking at this point and not helping the wheel so yeah I think that's what upsets people.
Maybe by passing laws that make having children's dental coverage mandatory in the ACA. Also, if you're paying 40% in income taxes, you need to find a better accountant.
You can use this white house tax calculator to determine where your tax dollars go
https://www.whitehouse.gov/2014-taxreceipt
https://www.whitehouse.gov/2014-taxreceipt
Better get a lobbyist. You are a mom and pop business, the subsidies go to billion dollar companies who apparently couldn't exist without government handouts.
I don't have a ton of time today but enough time to research just a little and when you do that it makes posts like this seem different.
In 2006 our government spent 59 billion on Welfare subsidies and 92 billion on Corp subsidies. Let's break out the biggest chuck of the Corp subsidy. 40% went to the Dept of Ag for Farm subsidies. Now Cie can say that we might be mad at the wrong folks but let's think about it a little more. If the farmers aren't subsidized then the price of agriculture would go thru the roof. Subsidizing the farmers actually helps keep prices down because they don't have to make up for bad seasons by raising their prices in good seasons. So if 40% of my 4000 is going to farmers to help keep the prices down who does that really help? The people who don't have much money including welfare and food stamp recipients.
I know it's just a small sample but I dare anyone to take that 40% of the 92 billion out and see what happens to the price of produce, meat, eggs, etc.
Again, I don't have a problem with it because everyone is working and put their spoke in the wheel. I do have a problem with the people not adding but subtracting. Maine has the right idea when it comes to welfare recipients.
In 2006 our government spent 59 billion on Welfare subsidies and 92 billion on Corp subsidies. Let's break out the biggest chuck of the Corp subsidy. 40% went to the Dept of Ag for Farm subsidies. Now Cie can say that we might be mad at the wrong folks but let's think about it a little more. If the farmers aren't subsidized then the price of agriculture would go thru the roof. Subsidizing the farmers actually helps keep prices down because they don't have to make up for bad seasons by raising their prices in good seasons. So if 40% of my 4000 is going to farmers to help keep the prices down who does that really help? The people who don't have much money including welfare and food stamp recipients.
I know it's just a small sample but I dare anyone to take that 40% of the 92 billion out and see what happens to the price of produce, meat, eggs, etc.
Again, I don't have a problem with it because everyone is working and put their spoke in the wheel. I do have a problem with the people not adding but subtracting. Maine has the right idea when it comes to welfare recipients.
It isn't my meme....I just posted it for the purposes of creating discussion so i could learn a bit. Too bad you don't have more time today.
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Layinwood,
Don't you think it's a bit presumptuous to make those statements? There is no way for you to know any more about what people on food stamps are on them for.
What is even more absurd is that you think taking money from the less wealthy citizens and giving it to the wealthiest of citizens is a grease necessary for economic progression. You assume that giving the wealthy more pocket money will somehow translate into a steadily increasing flow and better paying jobs. That is the basic tenet of the very same trickle down economic process that has failed at every turn. If you or saint is willing to do just a negligible amount of research you'll see that the government has been paying corporate subsidies to the largest corporations for decades and there has been no benefit to the economy as a result.
How can you say that subsidies are necessary for increased employment of the poorer classes and then turn around and bitch about unemployment rates and food stamp recipients? If your system worked so friggin well why isn't it reflected in those numbers, being that taxpayers have committed close to or over 100 Billion dollars a year in tax revenue to the top 782 or so corporations for two decades?
You know what would do more to stimulate the economy and increase revenue spending among the 99% of our citizens that don't receive government subsidies? More money in their pockets would be my first consideration. Neanderthal and Peking man knew that a happy well fed clan meant increased security and a growing population. It would stand to reason that the basic tenets that same social covenant would still hold true as it led to culmination of our current existence. Don't you think it's entirely logical that the wealthiest owners and corporations were simply required to employ a number of U.S. citizens directly commensurate to their yearly revenue and profits gained in the nation in which they reside? It seems to be very effective for several pharmaceutical giants located in Sweden, Norway as well as other European nations. Germany seems to have done very well for itself doing the same, has it not?
I guess my point is, instead of dutifully parroting the fiscal conservative ideal, would it kill you to do just a tiny bit of research to see that you're misinformed and subsequently misleading the ductile minds of the equally apathetic?
Look at saint for instance. Unfortunate, he actually thinks a person making $50k year doesn't have at least $4k of their yearly taxes go to corporate subsidies. You don't even have to finish typing out subsidies in the Google search box for pages of articles to come up explaining them.
You believe whatever you want, just know that even fifth graders know that what you are presenting as fact is ridiculously farcical.
Hope that helps,
FDC
Don't you think it's a bit presumptuous to make those statements? There is no way for you to know any more about what people on food stamps are on them for.
What is even more absurd is that you think taking money from the less wealthy citizens and giving it to the wealthiest of citizens is a grease necessary for economic progression. You assume that giving the wealthy more pocket money will somehow translate into a steadily increasing flow and better paying jobs. That is the basic tenet of the very same trickle down economic process that has failed at every turn. If you or saint is willing to do just a negligible amount of research you'll see that the government has been paying corporate subsidies to the largest corporations for decades and there has been no benefit to the economy as a result.
How can you say that subsidies are necessary for increased employment of the poorer classes and then turn around and bitch about unemployment rates and food stamp recipients? If your system worked so friggin well why isn't it reflected in those numbers, being that taxpayers have committed close to or over 100 Billion dollars a year in tax revenue to the top 782 or so corporations for two decades?
You know what would do more to stimulate the economy and increase revenue spending among the 99% of our citizens that don't receive government subsidies? More money in their pockets would be my first consideration. Neanderthal and Peking man knew that a happy well fed clan meant increased security and a growing population. It would stand to reason that the basic tenets that same social covenant would still hold true as it led to culmination of our current existence. Don't you think it's entirely logical that the wealthiest owners and corporations were simply required to employ a number of U.S. citizens directly commensurate to their yearly revenue and profits gained in the nation in which they reside? It seems to be very effective for several pharmaceutical giants located in Sweden, Norway as well as other European nations. Germany seems to have done very well for itself doing the same, has it not?
I guess my point is, instead of dutifully parroting the fiscal conservative ideal, would it kill you to do just a tiny bit of research to see that you're misinformed and subsequently misleading the ductile minds of the equally apathetic?
Look at saint for instance. Unfortunate, he actually thinks a person making $50k year doesn't have at least $4k of their yearly taxes go to corporate subsidies. You don't even have to finish typing out subsidies in the Google search box for pages of articles to come up explaining them.
You believe whatever you want, just know that even fifth graders know that what you are presenting as fact is ridiculously farcical.
Hope that helps,
FDC
WarEagle could provide more knowledge from the Ag Corp side if he's around. In the Cotton World, they were the shit and the rest of us were were just poop stains.
I went to work in 2003 for a cotton supplier and part of the reason I got the contract was because of my experience with the step 2 subsidy program that paid American companies to export cotton. That well ran dry around 2006 if my memory serves me correctly
I went to work in 2003 for a cotton supplier and part of the reason I got the contract was because of my experience with the step 2 subsidy program that paid American companies to export cotton. That well ran dry around 2006 if my memory serves me correctly
Saint,
Have you ever considered reading something other than the "Highlights" periodicals that I'm guessing get delivered to Saints Family Dental, life coaching, and palm reading salon?
You may actually learn something and ultimately quit contributing to a seriously demeaning stereotype regarding dentists.
Hope this helps,
FDC
Have you ever considered reading something other than the "Highlights" periodicals that I'm guessing get delivered to Saints Family Dental, life coaching, and palm reading salon?
You may actually learn something and ultimately quit contributing to a seriously demeaning stereotype regarding dentists.
Hope this helps,
FDC
both parties appear to be robbing the middle class blind....salaries shrinking for the past 30 years,no safe interest to be made for hard working savers without gambling their savings in the stock market(which most can`t afford to do....I can`t remember a time in which interest rates were flat for 90+months straight)....but Washington and the fed won`t stop(why would they?..they`re all getting filthy rich)....
qe/zero interest rates are sucking the working stiff dry... and the 1% ers on wallstreet are rolling in dough(they`re sucking the oxygen right out of the middle class)..the rest of the working population is taking it in the shorts(unless you`re a gov`t worker,which I admit,i was).....we have a 0% interest rate and an 18 trillion dollar debt..when it hits 23 or 24(which it will in a few years) it will be unserviceable ..now we`re talking about a 350 billion dollar college subsidy plan?......who the hell is paying for all this?...you can`t just print your way out of this mess...hard decsisons have to be made.....unless you`re uber-rich,you`re going to be in trouble...
people have been fooled into thinking everything`s fine....it isn`t...it`s all going to collapse...it has to....who in their right mind would want to be the next president?
qe/zero interest rates are sucking the working stiff dry... and the 1% ers on wallstreet are rolling in dough(they`re sucking the oxygen right out of the middle class)..the rest of the working population is taking it in the shorts(unless you`re a gov`t worker,which I admit,i was).....we have a 0% interest rate and an 18 trillion dollar debt..when it hits 23 or 24(which it will in a few years) it will be unserviceable ..now we`re talking about a 350 billion dollar college subsidy plan?......who the hell is paying for all this?...you can`t just print your way out of this mess...hard decsisons have to be made.....unless you`re uber-rich,you`re going to be in trouble...
people have been fooled into thinking everything`s fine....it isn`t...it`s all going to collapse...it has to....who in their right mind would want to be the next president?
