Arnie's a Racist too- according to LULAC

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Schwarzenegger Slammed by Hispanic Group for Supporting English As Official U.S. Language

FRESNO, Calif. Aug. 28 ?
Actor Arnold Schwarzenegger sought to broaden his appeal Thursday in the state's ethnically diverse heartland, as a Hispanic advocacy group criticized him for supporting English as the nation's official language.

His leading rival in the gubernatorial recall campaign, Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante, touched on an issue dear to Californians gas prices as he accused oil companies of price gouging leading into Labor Day weekend.

Bustamante, a Democrat, vowed to bring the companies under state regulatory control, as he began what shaped up as a frenetic day of campaigning by gubernatorial candidates.

Before Schwarzenegger arrived in the state's farm belt, the nation's oldest Hispanic civil rights group called on him to step down from the advisory board of U.S. English, a group that seeks to make English the official language of the United States.

Bustamante, meanwhile, defended his membership in a Hispanic student activist group while he was in college in the 1970s.

The group criticizing Schwarzenegger, the League of United Latin American Citizens, said the Austrian-born actor's advisory board position brings into question his commitment to Hispanics.

"It just seems like all the issues that we support he doesn't," said Gabriela Lemus, the league's director of policy and legislation. The league said it is not taking a position on whether Gov. Gray Davis should be recalled and will not endorse a replacement candidate.

Spokesman Sean Walsh said Schwarzenegger believes English should be the official language.

"Arnold Schwarzenegger came to this country with a few dollars in his pocket and not speaking the English language, and he realized the importance of learning to speak English as quickly as possible to achieve your American dreams," Walsh said.

Bustamante began the day's campaigning with an appearance at a Sacramento gas station in which he called for amending the state constitution to bring big oil companies under state regulatory control.

"Californians are being gouged, and under current law we are powerless to do anything about it," he said, reminding voters they will be paying the highest gas prices in the nation this weekend.

Other front-running candidates in the race to replace Davis if he is recalled Oct. 7 were also busy around the state.

Former baseball commissioner Peter Ueberroth held a town hall-style meeting in San Diego, telling about 75 people that if elected he would convene a special legislative session on his first day in office to address the state's budget. He also said he would ask lawmakers to place a measure on the March ballot asking voters for a constitutional amendment to impose spending caps. The spending limits would be tied to inflation and population changes.

"I'm going to be a mad dog chasing a meat truck to make sure we get spending in line and get jobs back in the state," he said.

GOP state Sen. Sen. Tom McClintock also was in San Diego, serving as guest host on an afternoon radio show on KOGO.

Davis, Bustamante and McClintock also met with the California Nations Indian Gaming Association, which represents 57 tribal governments. The group will not endorse a candidate, but its members have become an influential political force capable of boosting campaign coffers.

The demand that Schwarzenegger leave U.S. English came as he made a campaign swing through Fresno, Bustamante's hometown. He visited a school, toured a food processing plant and headed for a rally at a shopping mall with Mayor Alan Autry, an actor-turned-politician known for playing "Bubba" in TV's "In the Heat of the Night."

The region encompasses the nation's most productive farmland and is home to many ethnic groups and immigrants, including Hispanics. Bustamante was to travel to the area Saturday to accept the endorsement of the United Farm Workers of America.

On Thursday, the lieutenant governor found himself responding to critics who have complained on conservative talk shows that he was a member of the Hispanic student activist group Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan, or MeCHA, while a student at California State University, Fresno. Critics have said the group advocates radical change.

"The students who are MeCHA today are just like the students when I was there," he said. "Pretty much they are trying to get an education. Most of the friends I went to school with are now either graduates from college or raising families."

Meanwhile, LULAC's Lemus said Schwarzenegger's membership on the board of U.S. English "does not bode well for Hispanics."

"So many of us support bilingualism and bilingual education and maintaining our culture and he's essentially saying it's not valid by being part of this board that has got this whole anti-immigrant, underlying racist mentality," Lemus said.

Other prominent people on the group's advisory board, according to its Web site, include golfer Arnold Palmer, television personality Alex Trebek and actor Charlton Heston. Schwarzenegger has served on the board since 1987, U.S. English officials said.
 

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need to start getting forcing everyone to learn English in this country...it is next to impossible to communicate with someone who speaks Spanish when they already are getting free health care...now they take up extra time because we have to use a translator and also you have to pay for a translator....

its ridiculous for anyone to be against the English only movement...every other immigrant who came here adapted now all of a sudden the Hispanics say they shouldn't adapt?

its for their own good!!!!

good grief....

and still i have not seen anything mentioned in the press about Bustamonte referring to Blacks as "niggers" two years ago...all the while Arnie still gets ripped left and right...
 

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It is a shame people throw the vile term "racist" around so care-free. The TRUE racist is Cruz Bustamante, a member of MECHA, the KKK of Hispanics.
 

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This Arney guy was some drug taking wild man in his late 20's and early 30's. And what Republican is he. I think it's coming out he's a closet Dem. And its easy to see he knows little about nothing. Theres a real Rep running out there they should vote for
 

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Yeah. McClintock.....truly a good guy with a real plan! Unfortunately, the media won't talk about him (passive form of censorship) without saying "he can't win." Total joke.
 

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its ridiculous for anyone to be against the English only movement...every other immigrant who came here adapted now all of a sudden the Hispanics say they shouldn't adapt?

have to agree with you there....

that's insane....i wonder how many of those "closet protesters" that are speaking out against having English as a first language are really legal citizens of the U.S.

Man, people like that should be booted out. From my experience travelling around North America, English WILL always be the dominant language. If you don't like it, shut up or get out.

here in Toronto, it's all nice that we have multiculturalism and the nine yards, but when it starts promoting segregation (or is it called concentration???) and i go to different parts of the city (ie:chinatown / little india / enter your own here.) where there is almost NO english and i'm like, what the ****, how do i communicate to these people when i wanna do some business?

Is it wrong to force them to learn the dominant language?

This is a topic i've always been eager to discuss.

"Immigrant population, should we be letting all these people into our countries????"

next on Donahue.:moon:
 

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yep...we are the UNITED States...my family doesn't speak German, Norwegian, or (God forbid FRENCH).....we learn English, learned how to drive, learned how to be a good US citizen, etc. etc....one has to wonder why the Hispanic population can't adapt....then some people portray those who want them to adapt as being cruel and harsh...well, it is for their own good!!!! being cruel and harsh is when you encourage them to have their own subculture which will divide, segregate, and keep these people down!!! instead of integrate with everyone else!!!

speaking of the French...anyone seen that over 11,000+ Frenchmen have perished due to the heat this summer??

what a backwards country...never ceases to amaze me things that come out of there...
 

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I'm no history expert, but I'm sure the word, "Freedom," was written somewhere into the Constitution. Actually, now that I think about it, I'm *very* sure.

O.K., enough sarcasm. In all sincertiy, it is frustrating to be unable to communicate verbally with people who speak other languages, but forcing people to learn a language sets a dangerous precendent. What else then becomes legal to force on people? Believe it or not, people who can't speak English generally know darn well the handicap they give themselves by not learning the native language. In fact, most of them that I've met (and trust me, I've met a hell of a lot) would love to learn English if they had the resources and the time to do so.
 

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no need to force anything...just start conducting all business of the country in English only....you will be surprised at how fast the people adapt
 

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I was always lead to believe the first language of this great country was english. After that speak anything you wish. My family had Dutch and German back ground. My grandparents spoke both rather good. So did some of my uncles and cousins. But make no mistake. They wanted to and were glad to know English.
 
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My wife did not speak English at all. I had to burn the midnight oil on the phone w/her Aunts trying to explain our way of life many a moon- Literally. She now is fluent and can somewhat read-probably on a 2nd or 3rd grade level, but she is self-sufficient on her own- She even has to translate for the Mexican & Guatamalian workers at her job as they don't know ANY English.
I had to start@ square one- She could not understand why we have Life Insurance- Pay Me! Why you pay someone else? If I die I can't spend money so pay me! I even found her making two separate urns of coffee- one foe me and one for her. I asked her why and she saw the Decaff, (green),had a woman on the label and the regular, (red), had a man on the label. She thought one was for man and one for woman. Or when I gave her some Alka seltzer for a head ache and found half a glass in the fridge two days later. I poured it out and she got mad cause I threw away YA or medicine. What I'm trying to get at is that all your arguments don't hold in my case- and I started from square one. Believe me if Oy can do it anyone w/the desire can. And we started out in West VA. There are not many Thais- 3 at last count I think- in that state. And we didn't have anyone or anything to help us. How does hard work and abiding by the law make me selfish, or a bigot? Oh and another thing...taken from MECHA "El Plan Espiritual de Aztlan" Hows this for Freedom Nick? Best to you by the way and I hope to be retired in Thailand by the time we get to the "kill Whitey" stage.

El Plan Espiritual de Aztl?n
In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal "gringo" invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztl?n from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny.

We are free and sovereign to determine those tasks which are justly called for by our house, our land, the sweat of our brows, and by our hearts. Aztl?n belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. We do not recognize capricious frontiers on the bronze continent

Brotherhood unites us, and love for our brothers makes us a people whose time has come and who struggles against the foreigner "gabacho" who exploits our riches and destroys our culture. With our heart in our hands and our hands in the soil, we declare the independence of our mestizo nation. We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztl?n.

Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada.


Program
El Plan Espiritual de Aztl?n sets the theme that the Chicanos (La Raza de Bronze) must use their nationalism as the key or common denominator for mass mobilization and organization. Once we are committed to the idea and philosophy of El Plan de Aztl?n, we can only conclude that social, economic, cultural, and political independence is the only road to total liberation from oppression, exploitation, and racism. Our struggle then must be for the control of our barrios, campos, pueblos, lands, our economy, our culture, and our political life. El Plan commits all levels of Chicano society - the barrio, the campo, the ranchero, the writer, the teacher, the worker, the professional - to La Causa.

Nationalism
Nationalism as the key to organization transcends all religious, political, class, and economic factions or boundaries. Nationalism is the common denominator that all members of La Raza can agree upon.



Organizational Goals
1. UNITY in the thinking of our people concerning the barrios, the pueblo, the campo, the land, the poor, the middle class, the professional-all committed to the liberation of La Raza.

2. ECONOMY: economic control of our lives and our communities can only come about by driving the exploiter out of our communities, our pueblos, and our lands and by controlling and developing our own talents, sweat, and resources. Cultural background and values which ignore materialism and embrace humanism will contribute to the act of cooperative buying and the distribution of resources and production to sustain an economic base for healthy growth and development Lands rightfully ours will be fought for and defended. Land and realty ownership will be acquired by the community for the people's welfare. Economic ties of responsibility must be secured by nationalism and the Chicano defense units.

3. EDUCATION must be relative to our people, i.e., history, culture, bilingual education, contributions, etc. Community control of our schools, our teachers, our administrators, our counselors, and our programs.

4. INSTITUTIONS shall serve our people by providing the service necessary for a full life and their welfare on the basis of restitution, not handouts or beggar's crumbs. Restitution for past economic slavery, political exploitation, ethnic and cultural psychological destruction and denial of civil and human rights. Institutions in our community which do not serve the people have no place in the community. The institutions belong to the people.

5. SELF-DEFENSE of the community must rely on the combined strength of the people. The front line defense will come from the barrios, the campos, the pueblos, and the ranchitos. Their involvement as protectors of their people will be given respect and dignity. They in turn offer their responsibility and their lives for their people. Those who place themselves in the front ranks for their people do so out of love and carnalismo. Those institutions which are fattened by our brothers to provide employment and political pork barrels for the gringo will do so only as acts of liberation and for La Causa. For the very young there will no longer be acts of juvenile delinquency, but revolutionary acts.

6. CULTURAL values of our people strengthen our identity and the moral backbone of the movement. Our culture unites and educates the family of La Raza towards liberation with one heart and one mind. We must insure that our writers, poets, musicians, and artists produce literature and art that is appealing to our people and relates to our revolutionary culture. Our cultural values of life, family, and home will serve as a powerful weapon to defeat the gringo dollar value system and encourage the process of love and brotherhood.

7. POLITICAL LIBERATION can only come through indepen-dent action on our part, since the two-party system is the same animal with two heads that feed from the same trough. Where we are a majority, we will control; where we are a minority, we will represent a pressure group; nationally, we will represent one party: La Familia de La Raza!

Action

1. Awareness and distribution of El Plan Espiritual de Aztl?n. Presented at every meeting, demonstration, confrontation, courthouse, institution, administration, church, school, tree, building, car, and every place of human existence.

2. September 16, on the birthdate of Mexican Independence, a national walk-out by all Chicanos of all colleges and schools to be sustained until the complete revision of the educational system: its policy makers, administration, its curriculum, and its personnel to meet the needs of our community.

3. Self-Defense against the occupying forces of the oppressors at every school, every available man, woman, and child.

4. Community nationalization and organization of all Chicanos: El Plan Espiritual de Aztl?n.

5. Economic program to drive the exploiter out of our community and a welding together of our people's combined resources to control their own production through cooperative effort.

6. Creation of an independent local, regional, and national political party.

A nation autonomous and free - culturally, socially, economically, and politically- will make its own decisions on the usage of our lands, the taxation of our goods, the utilization of our bodies for war, the determination of justice (reward and punishment), and the profit of our sweat.

El Plan de Aztl?n is the plan of liberation!
 

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what a shame. people being forced to learn the language that the country has used for 200 years. am i losing my mind ? if you do not want to learn english find another country. find one that predominately talks like you want it to. my best friend is half cuban and he has never griped about having english as his primary language. actually he thankful to be speaking english in the us, and not being stuck in cuba.
 

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every business/ educating conducted in this country should be mandated to be done in every language at the expense of the taxpayers,all this should be done in the name of freedom. After all we are forcing people who do not speak english to live here right?
 

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illegal Mexicans are an assett to California, most of them work hard and are honest.;) . Would like to see Cruz get some blacks off welfare and into the work force. Put some deadbeat dads behind bars.
 
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