Attacking a Soldiers medals is attacking all Soldiers Medals

[Clem D]

I'm a lurker here for the most part but the thread about The Swift boat veterans for the truth makes my blood boil. It is so funny to me that people can't see through this sham of an attack to discredit The only candidate to have the balls to serve his country in this election. As a an old navy guy who has a father who recieved several medals, the attacks on Kerry's medals I take as an attack on my fathers medals. They Don't just give these things out like candy people.
Wake the **** up!!! Does this not smell like the same people who attacked another hero in south carolina 4 plus years ago. Republicans don't remember that though. I welcome your comments.

 

[smurphy]

As a son of a 'Nam vet, all I can say is that I completely agree with you.

 

[Chanman]

No harm intended, but did your father 'throw' away his medals and also publicly denounce those he served with?
P.S.- Like it or not- Bush also served-may have been getting served in an Alabama bar, but he did serve.
P.S.P.S.- Your father also doesn't post here does he??

Fool me once, Shame on you-Fool me twice, Shame on me!

 

[smurphy]

My father was "love it or leave it" when he first returned. He despised the Kerry's at first.

Now he is thankful for the protestors. He truly feels they helped end a war we had no business getting into.

Personally - as much of an honor as it is to get those medals - I commend people for having the conviction to throw them. If they feel that strongly after serving, fighting, and being rewarded TO STILL be that motivated - then there must be something to it.

 

[Clem D]

So your contention is that the Vietnam war was a good thing and should not have been protested. I lived during that time and like now supported the troops, but thought the war was a joke and was fought in an asinine manner.

 

[shamrock]

chanman-Kerry didn't throw his medals, because I have seen them in his office, unless they issue new ones, which I'm told they don't. Most veterans agreed it was a bad war, hardly worth 60000 lives. Most don't still detest protesters because they realize the war was wrong. Problem is so many who tried to do their jobs and did nothing wrong got abused & mistreated when they came home. They deserve to hold resentment and be bitter. But the truth remains there was atrocities, many have told me personally, to believe there wasn't is to believe that there wasn't drug problems & prostitutes over there.

 

[StevieD]

Great post Clem.

 

[Chanman]

Shammy- Not to get into semantics, but Kerry 'symbolically' threw his medals over the White House fence during a Viet Nam protest rally. They were not really his medals which reveals even more to me.

Hi! I'm John Kerry and I'm Whoa! Those look familiar. You didn't find them around 1600 Pennslyvania Ave did you?

 

[smurphy]

Well, make up your minds folks: was Kerry blasphemous by throwing his medals, or by not actually throwing his medals?

Answer: He served 2 tours, it doesn't F**n matter.

 

[Nosigar]

Answer: He served 2 tours, it doesn't F**n matter.

This really doesn't matter, since all that was 30 years ago. The past is the past, unless you're a criminal. Hell, threre's things I did last week which would disqualify me from holding any public office in the eyes of the NEW "Moral Majority", from either party.

BUT, Kerry served 3 months (maybe 4) in Vietnam. That in itself is an honorable thing looking at it 30 years later, but many people served their 2 years also. Few of us today would voluntarily go into any armed conflict, but in the 1960's there was still a lot of post-WWII and Korea peer pressure, propaganda, etc.l So it's really not important but you can't use it either. But don't twist it saying he served two tours. Maybe he was in Alabama the rest of the time, it doesn't matter, but don't overstate it either. BTW, it seemed that out of like 50 dudes in those swift boats, about 75% had silver or bronze medals. WTF ?.

 

[Blitz]

I don't like soldiers being attacked either, but the difference here is the men "attacking" him are the men that served with him and want to speak out cause they say Kerry has lied about things he did in Vietnam...

 

[smurphy]

But don't twist it saying he served two tours

I'm not meaning to twist anything. He volunteered for duty, and
technically, Kerry served 1 full (basically non-combat) tour abord a ship off-shore Vietnam, followed by the abbreviated 4 month tour in essentially a combat zone.

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After training, Kerry volunteered for Vietnam. He served a relatively uneventful six months, far removed from combat, from December 1967 to June 1968, in the electrical department aboard the USS Gridley, a guided-missile frigate that supported aircraft carriers in the Gulf of Tonkin.

His ship returned to its Long Beach, Calif., port on June 6, 1968. Five months later, Kerry went back to Vietnam, securing an assignment as "swift boat" skipper."

 

[smurphy]

I don't like soldiers being attacked either, but the difference here is the men "attacking" him are the men that served with him and want to speak out cause they say Kerry has lied about things he did in Vietnam...

Only one of these men actually served with him on that boat. The other 9 have nothing but good things to say about Kerry's service.

 

[Clem D]

Do a google search on Merrie Spaeth who organized the swift boat veterans for the truth. She was married to a good old guy named Tex who worked for W in texas getting his campaign for governor together. Je actually ran on the same ticket to be lieutenant governor. His Law firm also employs the ( ring leader of the whole organization) These guys did not serve with Kerry. They just hate him or oh allegiance to George W Bush. This all came out it May, the only reason they are bringing it out again is because while it is all lies the average american redneck will not try to look up the info to dispute it and think well Go'le it must be tru the news reported it. Within a week these guys will retract but the damage is done. It is hatchet politics at it's best. It is how W has lived his life.

 

[dr. freeze]

how do YOU know these are lies?

your blind allegiance to a candidate is very troubling

probably could be running Vladimir Lenin for the Democrats and people like you would still support him 100% and never listen to anything other....

you people are dangerous

 

[Eddie Haskell]

I guess what I have the most trouble with on this issue is the fact that Senator McCain (a favorite of many of you) has steadfastly defended Senator Kerry as a true American hero. He has called the primary instigator of these attacks on Kerry's record a "fraud" and a "dishonorable enemy of the truth."

Since McCain is respected among many of you coupled with the fact that he is supporting the re-election of the criminal in DC, don't you think his comments concerning McCain should be given more credibility than a group of veterans who did not serve with Kerry, apparently have an agenda to fullfill and finnally appear to have the tacit, below the radar, backing of this most corrupt administration.

On August 6, 2004, McCain who is heading up the Bush re-election campaign in Arizona, asked the White House to condemn televised ads which depict Kerry as anything but a war hero. I won't hold my breath. Below is the link from Viet Nam Veterans Against Kerry. It wouldn't surprise me to see Karl Rove's name associated with this group.

It appears to me that all this discussion concerning Kerrys military record is a below the radar, intentional attack on Kerry to distract voters from the military record of Bush/Cheney. I guess the best defense is an offense.

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/mccain_swift.htm

Eddie

 

[Clem D]

Talk about blind allegiance? I just did a search on Dr Freeze. All Republican all the time. His stance on the reason to go to Iraq before this debacle took place was quite interesting and laughable. Bet you'd like to rethink that now? You were dead wrong in your blind allegiance of this administration. As for John McCain If only Rove and Bush didn't lie about him in South Carolina. This discussion would not be taking place. He'd be president and be a shoe in for reelection. Instead we are left with President dumbass and Cock Cheney. Who are in a dogfight because they have no honor.

 

[smurphy]

It's sickening the way Bush Sr. lied about Dole in '88 and then Dubya about McCain in 2000. The Repubs have some pretty strong partisanship to stay behind both Bushes through all this.

 

[gardenweasel]

Attacking a Soldiers medals is attacking all Soldiers Medals

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while i disagree with the ridiculous notion that kerry shot a boy in the back 36 years ago...and it hasn`t come to light until now.....disgusting partisan politics....

i also disagree with the premise of "Attacking a Soldiers medals is attacking all Soldiers Medals"....

does that mean that even if a soldier may get medals under questionnable circumstances,that no one has the right to question it?....

clem,all due respect, but,this is the u.s.a....not cuba...not saddam`s iraq.....everyone has a right to ask questions....

particularly,when the main plank in a presidential candidate`s convention platform is his military service....

certainly bush`s national guard service was severely scrutinized....did you step forward on that issue?....

how about anita hill coming forward with the ole`" pubic hair on the coke can" years ago?...something that allegedly happened many years prior to thomas` nomination to the supreme court...

i think it`s all despicable...but to say one is fair game while the other is untouchable?.....methinks not....

kerry can put many of the questions about his medals to bed by releasing his military medical records....

it would quite a coup for the dems for him to step forward and shut all the critic`s mouths....

i think it would be a master stroke....

why hasn`t he done this?....

 

[djv]

Who really cares. I would say folks are worried about other important things. I don't think many really care that Bush ducked. So many ducked anyway they don't care and it's all old stuff.
I believe they worry about the 911 that have died in Iraq and the other 6000 that have been wounded. Of witch 1/3 have wounds That leave them with out arms or legs or both. It's happening now so it's real to them/us. From what I see Kerry did nothing wrong while in the military. Everyone seems to know his record. I understand some of the info on him might embarrass our government for there surveillance. I could believe that seeing Tricky Dick was in office then. And he was our biggest crook in the WH ever. I just wish someone would get folks jobs. And not WalMart. We got a guy there now just cant seem to get it done.