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Arizona: Governor Ignites Controversy With Remarks on Drug Mules

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: June 25, 2010

Gov. Jan Brewer said Friday that most illegal immigrants entering Arizona are being used to transport drugs across the border, an assertion that critics slammed as exaggerated and racist. Ms. Brewer said the motivation of ?a lot? of the illegal immigrants is to look for work, but that drug rings press them into duty as drug mules. Her office later issued a statement in response to media reports of her comments, saying most human smuggling into Arizona is under the direction of drug cartels which ?are by definition smuggling drugs.? Oscar Martinez, a University of Arizona history professor who focuses on border issues, responded: ?Unless Gov. Brewer can provide hard data to substantiate her claim that most undocumented people crossing into Arizona are drug mules, she must retract such an outrageous statement.?

She is an idiot.
 

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Arizona: Governor Ignites Controversy With Remarks on Drug Mules

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: June 25, 2010

Gov. Jan Brewer said Friday that most illegal immigrants entering Arizona are being used to transport drugs across the border, an assertion that critics slammed as exaggerated and racist.

She is an idiot.
I'm beginning to wonder if she and Sarah Palin were separated at birth.

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She is not an idiot nor a racist

She is not an idiot nor a racist

Many illegals do come to work and send the $ bk home to their families in Mexico (2nd largest income producer is US $), others come here for the free ride, (free edu,health care, food stamps ect... will stop there). There are many tunnels coming into the US which are used for drug cartels as well as others attempting to flee Mexico. Did the media not tell any 1 which I have for yrs that 30% of our prisons are filled with illegals...hmmmm guess they were coming here to make a good clean living too. Remember I worked with prisoners who will tell you that the boarder is a mafia type atmosphere and these people will shoot first and ask questions later. 1,000 people cross daily. Get our soldiers out of Germany and all of these other freaking countries and protect our boarders.....They are killing our cops and innocent people as they ram sack their homes. I am telling you the truth (thats why 75-80% of America wants illegals out) and if you dont believe me....come visit me and lets take a trip to the south side (bring ur weapons). Are there better Govs running here in AZ? YES IMO and I am not a big fan of hers but she is right on target w/the illegals....20 other states are going to do the same w/1070.
 
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Thanks for the response Skeeter, your experience is always worth the read. I'm sure she has good intentions, but sure spends too much time putting her foot in her mouth.
 

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Here was (I assume) the point of the post... the comment of the governnor:

"Gov. Jan Brewer said Friday that most illegal immigrants entering Arizona are being used to transport drugs across the border."

I'd like to see who here actually believes that comment to be true. That MOST illegal immigrants are being used to transport drugs across the border. I don't believe that. I believe MOST are coming here to try to have a better life, most being pretty desperate, risking their lives in the process.

I am against illegal immigration, and feel that those who do it should be sent back. I'm for a stronger border presence, and at face value I am not against the Arizona state law, although I think it could be interpreted to supercede existing laws - that are not being enforced well enough.

But this kind of comment is out of line, and causes more problems than it could possibly solve - it solves nothing, actually, just serves to stoke the fire more.
 

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Here was (I assume) the point of the post... the comment of the governnor:

"Gov. Jan Brewer said Friday that most illegal immigrants entering Arizona are being used to transport drugs across the border."

I'd like to see who here actually believes that comment to be true. That MOST illegal immigrants are being used to transport drugs across the border. I don't believe that. I believe MOST are coming here to try to have a better life, most being pretty desperate, risking their lives in the process.

I am against illegal immigration, and feel that those who do it should be sent back. I'm for a stronger border presence, and at face value I am not against the Arizona state law, although I think it could be interpreted to supercede existing laws - that are not being enforced well enough.

But this kind of comment is out of line, and causes more problems than it could possibly solve - it solves nothing, actually, just serves to stoke the fire more.
Thanks. You said what I was thinking.

I'm actually all for anything that secures our border and leaves no option but legal immigration. It's baffling to me why no previous administration has taken this issue seriously and that appears to be the case with the Obama administration as well.

But Gov. Brewer's comment is both wreckless and false.

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she stands up for the rule of law...instead of against it...

she`s tough,unlike our current president...who is probably(as we speak)trying on his new "negiotiating" knee-pads in preparation for his next meeting with a foreign dictator...:0002
 

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Gee, another slam, shocking. Did you get that line from Faux?

As for the Gov, there is no excuse for going through life uninformed. A fellow conservative on this forum, living in Arizona, doesn't much to say for her. I'm glad GW can set us straight living on the other side of the country.:0074
 

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unlike our current president...who is probably(as we speak)trying on his new "negiotiating" knee-pads in preparation for his next meeting with a foreign dictator...:0002
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Quite frankly, I don't see a problem.

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she stands up for the rule of law...instead of against it...

she`s tough,unlike our current president...who is probably(as we speak)trying on his new "negiotiating" knee-pads in preparation for his next meeting with a foreign dictator...:0002

Do you agree with her very public comment?

"Gov. Jan Brewer said Friday that most illegal immigrants entering Arizona are being used to transport drugs across the border."

This is the issue, not what Obama has said or done, isn't it?
 

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Do you agree with her very public comment?

"Gov. Jan Brewer said Friday that most illegal immigrants entering Arizona are being used to transport drugs across the border."

This is the issue, not what Obama has said or done, isn't it?

yes..arizona`s in crisis...the feds won`t do a damned thing,so the good peeps of arizona are gonna try and clean up the mess themselves...

just get out of their way...

this is much like the spill in the gulf...the people of the gulf want booms and skinners and berms...but the feds won`t allow it....until the public outcry reached fever pitch...

70-odd days in and the feds are finally relenting a bit...but much damage is already done.........way to be on the job from day one,barack....

the border...the spill...forcing healthcare down our throats...modern libs are pretty much wrong about everything...

watching socialism in action is amazing...but they still don`t get it...after observing roughly 50 years of good liberal activism(social engineering,forced bussing etc.) middle class whites just quit the cities....and as usual,the result was catastrophic. ...

entire areas of american cities became no-go zones of crime, drugs, and welfare....

of course that`s no surprise to most of us......left wing socialism/social engineering produced the opposite of the desired effect......duh....

/jaw drops to the floor...
 

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Another essay, bringing in other issues to the issue at hand, no problem, nothing different (speaking of us always blaming Bush, much like lumping all of Obama's situations together in all cases...). :rolleyes:

The POINT of THIS issue is the Governor of a state making a baseless comment that most people would know could not be true. If she wants to be taken seriously, she should stick to sensible, truthful comments, and not go to that degree. I support her efforts there in much of this - but kind of comment is not only not correct, it's designed to lower the discourse about the situation.
 
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maybe she is just bored waiting on the troops that were promised several weeks ago.
 

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Here is a good essay from Politifact.com on her comment - proving my point, pretty much:

Arizona Gov. Brewer says 'majority' of illegals are 'drug mules'

Arizona Republican Gov. Jan Brewer created a frenzy in April 2010 when she signed a law that makes being an illegal immigrant a state crime and requires legal immigrants to carry papers that confirm their status. Then in late June, she linked illegal immigrants and drug smuggling.

The string of controversial comments began June 15, 2010, during a debate with three other candidates running for the Republican nomination for governor.

Republican candidate Matt Jette said that most people who cross illegally into Arizona are "just trying to feed their families." Brewer, according to the Arizona Republic, disputed that, saying, "They're coming here, and they're bringing drugs. And they're doing drop houses, and they're extorting people and they're terrorizing the families."

A few days later, on June 25, Brewer expanded upon her comments during a question-and-answer session with reporters. (A verbatim account of the exchange is available here.)

"Well, we all know that the majority of the people that are coming to Arizona and trespassing are now becoming drug mules," Brewer said. "They're coming across our borders in huge numbers. The drug cartels have taken control of the immigration. ? So they are criminals. They're breaking the law when they are trespassing and they're criminals when they pack the marijuana and the drugs on their backs."

Brewer added, "I believe today and in the circumstances that we are facing, that the majority of the illegal trespassers that are coming in the state of Arizona are under the direction and control of organized drug cartels, and they are bringing drugs in."

Finally, later the same day, Brewer released a statement clarifying her comments for a second time.

"There has been some media attention in the last several hours regarding statements I made this morning regarding the level of drug and crime activity being perpetrated by illegal immigrants coming into and residing in Arizona. The simple truth is that the majority of human smuggling in our state is under the direction of the drug cartels, which are by definition smuggling drugs," the statement said.

"It is common knowledge that Mexican drug cartels have merged human smuggling with drug trafficking. For example, the Los Angeles Times on March 23, 2009, reported, 'The business of smuggling humans across the Mexican border has been brisk, with many thousands coming across every year. But smugglers affiliated with the drug cartels have taken the enterprise to a new level ? and made it more violent ? by commandeering much of the operation from independent coyotes, according to these officials and recent congressional testimonies.' This article and many federal government reports have drawn the same conclusions.

"The human rights violations that have taken place victimizing immigrants and their families are abhorrent. Border crossers are used by drug cartels as commodities. Mexican drug cartels have merged human smugglers who use their expertise in gathering intelligence on border patrols, logistics and communication devices to get around even tighter controls. U.S. border officials have stated that traffickers are gaining control of much of the illegal passage of immigrants from Mexico to the United States."

Though Brewer did not use her written statement to retract any of her prior comments, she did change her focus a bit, singling out the criminal elements running joint drug-and-human smuggling operations rather than the immigrants that the cartels have been, in her words, "victimizing."

Whether or not this represents a backpedaling, we thought her earlier comments deserve scrutiny because they raise an interesting question -- whether there is a substantial connection between illegal immigrants and drug smuggling. So we talked to experts and looked over statistical data to see whether Brewer was justified in claiming that "the majority of the people that are coming to Arizona and trespassing are now becoming drug mules."

The governor's staff did not respond to PolitiFact's request for comment, nor did Customs and Border Protection. But most of the experts we spoke to agreed with the notion, raised in the Los Angeles Times article and by Brewer, that there is growing overlap between drug smuggling and human smuggling.

"Because of the militarization of the border and the increased difficulty in crossing, most border-crossers turn to 'coyotes,' " or human smugglers, said Aarti Kohli, the director of immigration policy and legislative counsel for the Chief Justice Earl Warren Institute on Race, Ethnicity, and Diversity at the University of California (Berkeley) School of Law. "Sometimes these coyotes have links with drug cartels and are engaging in drug smuggling along with alien smuggling. Both are federal offenses."

That said, Kohli and others draw a clear distinction with Brewer's suggestion that the majority of illegal border crossers are "drug mules."

"If caught along the southwest border, the vast majority of migrants are prosecuted in federal district court, often 70 at a time, for misdemeanor illegal entry," Kohli said. "If they are caught smuggling drugs, they would not be prosecuted" in this way.

Federal statistics bear this out. We looked at the latest available statistics, covering March 2010, for prosecutions stemming from immigrations and customs activities by the Department of Homeland Security. They show that "immigration" charges accounted for almost 89 percent of cases, while drug and drug-trafficking charges accounted for just over 5 percent.

"These apprehensions do not catch everyone, obviously, but as the Border Patrol is particularly interested in interdicting contraband, I don't know of any strong reason to believe that the Border Patrol's arrests would have a disproportionately low share of smugglers," said Gabriel "Jack" Chin, a professor of law, public administration and policy at the University of Arizona.

The statistics also track with accounts of law enforcement sources.

"Based on conversations with front-line Border Patrol agents, it is clear that the majority of people encountered by the Border Patrol are not carrying drugs," said T.J. Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Council. "While it is true that the majority of human smuggling is controlled or at least regulated by the cartels, it does not logically follow that the majority of people who are smuggled by the cartels are therefore transporting drugs. The penalties for transporting drugs are far greater than the penalties for entering the country illegally, so people do not engage in that type of criminal behavior unless they are so inclined, are extremely desperate or are coerced by the cartels. The two latter categories are the exceptions rather than the rule."

On the broader issue, it's worth noting that statistics have consistently shown that immigrants, including illegal immigrants, actually have lower rates of criminal activity and incarceration than do the native-born children of immigrants. Rub?n G. Rumbaut, a sociologist at the University of California (Irvine), has written that 2000 Census figures show consistently lower incarceration rates for foreign-born Mexicans, Salvadorans, Guatemalans, Colombians, Ecuadorians and Peruvians when compared to incarceration rates of U.S.-born members of the same ethnic groups. While the category "foreign-born" is not identical to "illegal immigrant," there is significant overlap in these particular ethnic groups, Rumbaut writes.

Ultimately, Brewer would have been on safe ground if she'd said that drug smuggling and human smuggling have become increasingly intertwined, and that sometimes, illegal immigrants have been coerced into serving as drug couriers. But that's a much more limited claim than what she initially said -- that "the majority of the people that are coming to Arizona and trespassing are now becoming drug mules." While the source she eventually cited -- the Los Angeles Times -- says that "sometimes (smugglers) loaded up their human cargo with backpacks full of marijuana," the article doesn't back up her assertion that that "the majority" of illegal immigrants carry drugs into the country. More to the point, Brewer's contention is undercut by both federal prosecution statistics and the accounts of experts we spoke to. So we rate Brewer's statement False.
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The comment was simply out of line, and does not help progress on the issue. Simply supporting everything someone says, that you agree with, is short-sighted and simplistic.
 

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Statistics from Homeland Security LMFAO

Statistics from Homeland Security LMFAO

Thats Napalitano...who was our (AZ Govenor) She want the illegals in the USA....We pleaded w/her to pack the boarder w/our trrops who are in these other countries (for no damn reason)....but she refused. She was going to get voved out b4 Obama became president....she would get shot if she turned up here in Phx. Are all illegals bad people? No...many have Christian values, hard working individuals but the majority come here looking to take in as much $ as they can (which is away from us citizens) either thru labor, welfare, education, drugs.....must I go on.....STOP marching on my tax paying streets here in the USA and why dont they march on Mexicos streets in protest....WHY? WHY?? Cause their ass would be arrested and or shot. Look at Mexicos illegal status....once you do you will say to youself hmmmm they usa isnt racist at all compared to Mexico. Amnesty is coming after Obamas speech today....so guess what the illegals are doing....yep crossing the boarder in herds...but Obama says Einstein was an illegal....dont see many Einsteins crossing our board....just a rake, blower and drugs.....GET these ILLEGALS THE FUK OUTTA HERE...I dont ask for my country back....I am gonna get it back by continuing to write letters and protest.....HMMMMMMM seems to have made a difference as I have preached on here for years about the illegals and now its front page of ur media. It just blew up in ur face but I have been on this for many yrs. Good night and SPEAK ENGLISH....ur in the USA
 

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Thats Napalitano...who was our (AZ Govenor) She want the illegals in the USA....We pleaded w/her to pack the boarder w/our trrops who are in these other countries (for no damn reason)....but she refused. She was going to get voved out b4 Obama became president....she would get shot if she turned up here in Phx. Are all illegals bad people? No...many have Christian values, hard working individuals but the majority come here looking to take in as much $ as they can (which is away from us citizens) either thru labor, welfare, education, drugs.....must I go on.....STOP marching on my tax paying streets here in the USA and why dont they march on Mexicos streets in protest....WHY? WHY?? Cause their ass would be arrested and or shot. Look at Mexicos illegal status....once you do you will say to youself hmmmm they usa isnt racist at all compared to Mexico. Amnesty is coming after Obamas speech today....so guess what the illegals are doing....yep crossing the boarder in herds...but Obama says Einstein was an illegal....dont see many Einsteins crossing our board....just a rake, blower and drugs.....GET these ILLEGALS THE FUK OUTTA HERE...I dont ask for my country back....I am gonna get it back by continuing to write letters and protest.....HMMMMMMM seems to have made a difference as I have preached on here for years about the illegals and now its front page of ur media. It just blew up in ur face but I have been on this for many yrs. Good night and SPEAK ENGLISH....ur in the USA

I know you are a smart guy Skeeter but its 'border'. I just thought since its the issue you are arguing about it would be useful for you going forward to have that information.
 

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And the beat goes on... clearly she's all about sensationalism and not building credibility...

Arizona governor says immigration leads to beheadings

By John Byrne
Friday, July 2nd, 2010 -- 8:50 am

"Our law enforcement agencies have found bodies in the desert, either buried or just lying out there, that have been beheaded," she says

Arizona's Republican governor is trumpeting her anti-immigration credentials as part of her re-election campaign --and her latest remarks about decapitation are sure to cause a firestorm.

Gov. Jan Brewer recently signed a new law that allows Arizona police officers to demand immigrants to produce documentation proving their legality.

In an interview with Fox News, Brewer said, "We cannot afford all this illegal immigration and everything that comes with it, everything from the crime and to the drugs and the kidnappings and the extortion and the beheadings."

"Our law enforcement agencies have found bodies in the desert, either buried or just lying out there, that have been beheaded," she added.

The Arizona Guardian followed up on Brewer's remarks, finding them completely false.

A spokesman for Gov. Brewer told the paper in response, "I'm not aware of any statements where the governor specifies where any crimes were committed," saying he thinks that Brewer was speaking about beheadings that have occurred in Mexico which could spread to Arizona.

On the contrary, he claimed that Brewer was talking about the fear that crimes that occur in Mexico could spread to Arizona.
 

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Thx for correcting my spelling TU but actually I left the "A" in border (boarder) to keep reminding me of what an "ASS" you are. But with that said....you are finally agreeing w/me TU as I can now see ur correcting to my spelling instead of debating me. hmmmm, finally!
 
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