Barack HUSSAIN Obama
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1st I'm going to have to take it easy on Brantz--5 one line posts within 5 minute span is not a good sign.:scared
Now lets see Smurph--1st it was right wing emails/prop (no you were wrong there)--so I tack the senate bills on for you--and you dance around that--
Hmm--Will be interesting how you do the liberal two step to this tune--
How about this 12 page questionaire HE filled out from an Illinois voter group when he was running for senate in 96.
Here are some of his stance on issues I can't support--And why I hope his changes aren't reflected on my neighborhood.
In PFD Format so can't cut and paste but you can read and tell me which you disagree with--
page 1
http://www.politico.com/static/PPM41_obamaquestionaire1newest.html
In questionaire Obama states
--he is a strong supporter of affirmative action
-he strongly favors a graduated income tax on both indv and corps that would shift burden to those most able to pay.
--supports public financing of elections campaign--
( I actually support this) threw in for later reference--if you get my drift.
-does not support land based or riverboat gambling.
page 2
http://www.politico.com/static/PPM41_obamaquestionaire2.html
-he favors legislation for domestic partnerships
--he does not support mandatory aids testing for employment or insurance.
--he supports rights of public employees to strike
--he supports banning of replacements of strikers in privite corps.
--he supports medicaid funding for abortions
--does not support parential consent of minors seeking abortion.
-opposes restrictions of welfare benefits for women who still have more children while already on welfare.
--is against trying juviniles as adults
-is against mandatory sentences for crimes
Will take a small break before some here have a stroke
--will be back with "the goodies" if he gets nomination.
"Will take a small break before some here have a stroke"
Hate to break this to you DTB, but while you and Hedgehog may get all bent out of shape at the thought of gays marrying and you are all fired up to try kids as adults, alot of other people outside of the fly over states don't feel the same way. I think it would be best for all if "middle" America could succeed.
Hate to break this to you DTB, but while you and Hedgehog may get all bent out of shape at the thought of gays marrying and you are all fired up to try kids as adults, alot of other people outside of the fly over states don't feel the same way. I think it would be best for all if "middle" America could succeed.
1st I'm going to have to take it easy on Brantz--5 one line posts within 5 minute span is not a good sign.:scared
Now lets see Smurph--1st it was right wing emails/prop (no you were wrong there)--so I tack the senate bills on for you--and you dance around that--
Hmm--Will be interesting how you do the liberal two step to this tune--
How about this 12 page questionaire HE filled out from an Illinois voter group when he was running for senate in 96.
Here are some of his stance on issues I can't support--And why I hope his changes aren't reflected on my neighborhood.
In PFD Format so can't cut and paste but you can read and tell me which you disagree with--
page 1
http://www.politico.com/static/PPM41_obamaquestionaire1newest.html
In questionaire Obama states
--he is a strong supporter of affirmative action
-he strongly favors a graduated income tax on both indv and corps that would shift burden to those most able to pay.
--supports public financing of elections campaign--
( I actually support this) threw in for later reference--if you get my drift.
-does not support land based or riverboat gambling.
page 2
http://www.politico.com/static/PPM41_obamaquestionaire2.html
-he favors legislation for domestic partnerships
--he does not support mandatory aids testing for employment or insurance.
--he supports rights of public employees to strike
--he supports banning of replacements of strikers in privite corps.
--he supports medicaid funding for abortions
--does not support parential consent of minors seeking abortion.
-opposes restrictions of welfare benefits for women who still have more children while already on welfare.
--is against trying juviniles as adults
-is against mandatory sentences for crimes
Will take a small break before some here have a stroke
I'm with him on some of these . Let's see if we can have a serious coherant moment. I'm against trying (A L L) juvi's as adults..... That means, I'm for trying (some) of them as adults. Same as mandatory sentences, Lets let the DA's & Judges use commom sense. Sould there be mandatory sentences for some crimes ? YES ... Should there be some juviniles tryed as adults ? YES ... In the interest of justice we can not use a broad brush. We have had cases where the punishment was too harsh / We have had cases where the punishment was not harsh enough. There are many obivous cases; what about the others ? Example http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0322/p03s03-usju.html
Not bent out of shape jabbers--just presenting some facts that define his stance on issues in lieu of the hope and change song and dance--
Didn't think it fair for me to chastise others for being unable to list why they like him for pres--and not put up my reasons for not--would kind of hypocritical--don't you think.
There are few of his issues I do like and even one a tax increase--which I mentioned several weeks ago--that being taking cap off SSN taxes--which seems fair to me and excellent way to shore up SSN if they will just use it for that.
--other than that from my take on research done--he has earned his tag as most liberal senator--especially on socialism--look at France now and you'll see the future. Of course some find that encouraging-and if so-thats their right.
anybody can become a muslim leader if they have people backing them up or following them,its a choice....there is no pope or group that leads the religon..if u want to follow osama binladen u chose to do so...ypou dont have to follow anybody or belong to any mosque..this is what makes this religon popular.b/c its believable in some ways...their is no higher up,authority of anykind..some "bad guys" take advantage of this and spew therir hatred..MOST have it in their heart amd spirit and don t have to pledge their allegence to no one or any mosque..why would anybody follow a religon thats changed on the fly is beyond me. the koran is the sime exact text since the day it was revealed..makes for some pretty outdated ways of life..but atleast it is what it is and no man or group can change it or profit from it...unless some people CHOSE to follow someones interpatation of f the book..for good or bad..if they were all terrorists their would be a hell of alot more 9/11's in the past 50 years...islam have no leaders exept for made up ones is what makes the religon great imo...but it also has its negatives b/c of this.some fukd up people can use it ,and interpert it their own way for bad and their is no pope of some kind to tell them its wrong..the bible and the koran are very similar and if the bibles followers actually followed their religon it would be very similar..the usa is full of sins and an example of a very sinful country..divorce rate,kids with no parents,full jails,rapist,people in debt etc..the usa leads the world in these catergorys ,i dont thionk this is a very religous contry,quite the opposite..but we still love it b/c we dont have to answer to nobody,exept the irs.even though these great freedoms are starting to change also..any WHO GIVES a **** whay religon he has ties to.or what his name was,hes or she is an american that can hopefully be a good leader,thats what counts.
DTB, I think that we agree on most economic issues, and as I have said, I am not in favor of a socialistic welfare state.
you are against abortion .... you are against benefits for woman that have more children while on welfare.... are you also against birth control for woman on welfare ? I'm for abortion.... I'm for voluntary birth control implants if a woman has a child and wants to continue receiving welfare benefits. I'm for less taxes and small gov, my policy makes sense. Yours ?????
I agree with most of Obama's positions on those issues. YES - even being against more casinos. That's not at all the same as allowing adults to use online sportsbooks that already exist.
'Most liberal senator' - people are tired of that kind of labeling. Isn't that what you guys said about Kerry and Edwards? Make up your friggin mind already.
'Most liberal senator' - people are tired of that kind of labeling. Isn't that what you guys said about Kerry and Edwards? Make up your friggin mind already.
Saul, you are just a communist, anti-American, socialist, leftist, terror loving Mick homo.
Oh, I forgot, you are a liberal too.
I don't mean to label you, Mr. Islamofacist. Sorry if it came off that way. On the other side, but good luck with your play.
