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Sun Tzu

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So if Hawaii comes back and wins who gets the shaft? Is the Rose going to hos ebetter qualified teams and take Illinois? Say hawaii wins:

Championship : OSU v LSU/UGA

Rose : USC v FIRST CHOICE - Illinois as the FIRST at large choice? That might be a bigger joke than the national title game circus.

Sugar: UGA?LSU v Hawaii

Fiesta: OU v Kansas/ASU - If Kansas is in top 4 ..quite possible they have to go to a BCS game.

Orange: WVA v Va Tech

So Fiesta could get stuck with a repeat OU and lose out on the home draw...all because the Rose takes Illinois? Or if Kansas is ranked 5th they get totally screwed out of a BCS game? And Mizzou...
 

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Sounds to me like last bcs spot is between illinois and arizona state. Don't know that picking one over the other would be a hose job.:shrug: Looking over the teams left over, i don't really see anyone else who even has a case.
 

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i should say there are more deserving teams than illinois and arizona state, but due to only two teams per conference allowed, they are removed from discussion. (mizz./kansas, and fla.)
 

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This is CFN's bowl projections, so take it FWIW:

Rose: USC-Illini
Fiesta: OU-KU....yes, two big 12 vs each other.
Orange: VT-WVA
Sugar: UGA-Hawaii
Title: LSU-OSU

I am not enthused about any of these games really.....none of the non-title games, leap out at me as a game that I really am stoked to see.....why, oh why, OU-KU in the Fiesta......and in the weakest year that this Big 10 observer has seen in years merits them another spot?

I know there is selection process that would prevent these matchups....but given an LSU-OSU title game, I say make these the matchups:

Rose: USC-OU.....um, yeah, that is a must-see.
Fiesta: Hawaii-WVA....two contrasting styles, this would be fun to watch.
Sugar: UGA-Va Tech....solid matchup of two powers that never play each other.
Orange:Missou-Az State.....not allowing more than 2 teams from one league into the BCS hampers us here.....UGA already in, and these are the # 2's from the next best leagues.....both these teams have been exciting to watch all year, this would be an entertaining, even game. Great QB battle, for sure.
 

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Heres what i got from a website:



BCS: Ohio St vs LSU


Orange: West Virg vs Virginia Tech


Fiesta: Okalhoma vs Kansas


Sugar: Georgia vs Hawaii


Rose: Illinois vs USC
 

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USC fans will not be happy with Illinois. No prestige there, and no chance to look that good.

Illinois probably takes USC to the woodshed anyways.

USC is pretty weak imo .
 

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the BCS has been nothing other than a total farce :sadwave:
 

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the BCS has been nothing other than a total farce :sadwave:

Hated it since the start....either a playoff, or do it the old way w/ the traditional bowl matchups.

It was not great the old traditional way, but you knew it was only going to be a mythical national championship.....now, we still have a myhthical champ, but its disguised as some sort of series that determines a legit titlist.

Hogwash.

At least the old way, all these teams would be in the discussion....they'd have their bowl games to play against fellow league champions.....go out impress us, and we'll vote it out after new year's day.

That said, playoff is really the only way to go.

This might be for a new thread....

but why is everyone just granting OSU a spot in the title game?? Is it because they have 1-loss and its the best record?

As far as I am concerned, at this point, records need to get thrown out and just judge these teams based on talent, performace and quality of competition.

Title game should be between 2 of these 3: LSU, OU, USC..they are the champs of the three best leagues....ACC, Big 10 and Big East were playing at a lower quality all season long compared to those three leagues......probably OU vs LSU as that Stanford loss should haunt USC.

OU just beat the team voters previously said was #1 for the second time this season and did so yesterday by 21 points.....thats a lot more impressive than anything, for example, OSU has done all year.
 

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MORGANTOWN, W.Va. ? There was a dislocated thumb, an inaccurate news report, a hastily called press conference, a Mizzou meltdown, a Hokie revenge, a Sooner stunner, a Pitt uprising, a Les Miles redemption, a Mountaineer gag job and overwrought fan bases in all directions.

In the strangest college football season in years, the last day went according to the chaotic script.

Now it is anyone's guess what is next ? which two flawed teams emerge from this flawed system to meet in the BCS title game Jan. 7 in New Orleans.

A two-loss team is likely to play a team that hasn't played in two weeks. An unbeaten team and a one-loss team apparently have no chance. A team that, according to ESPN, was about to lose its coach, might leap from No. 7 into the big game. At least unless the No. 9 team doesn't leap them and everyone else. And the team that might be playing the best of them all right now, can't seem to get any consideration.

Confused? Try crunching numbers, predicting votes and calculating the absurd and it gets even worse.

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Sadly, somewhere a BCS suit will lie and claim this makes perfect sense, that this was the plan all along.

It won't be Mike Tranghese, the commissioner of the Big East, that's for sure. After lowly Pitt upset No. 2 West Virginia 13-9 here, an inside hit on his conference's title hopes, he probably went to find a holler to holler into. Or throw up.

He certainly isn't alone.

The contenders for the BCS title game are as follows and we'll do our best to break it down with clear efficiency heading into Sunday's 8 p.m. announcement ? Ohio State, LSU, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, Georgia, Kansas, Hawaii and Southern California.

Don't blame us for the analysis, we're as impartial as you'll ever find.

Ohio State (11-1) entered the weekend at No. 3 and looks like it's in, essentially because it only lost once. Sure it only played 12 games (to most team's 13), took on a weak non-conference slate, beat no really good teams, lost three weeks ago at home to Illinois and didn't play anyone in two weeks, but in this season ? hey, step on up you're a winner, please try to play better than last year.

After that, who knows for sure?

"I'm leaning toward Ohio State-LSU," said Jerry Palm, publisher of CollegeBCS.com and an expert on these things. "But it could be OSU-Virginia Tech. Probably 3-1 chances it's LSU over Va Tech."

This is based on the prediction that Oklahoma might beat out LSU in the polls (two-thirds of the BCS formula), but trail in the computers (one-third) so the Tigers will hold off the Sooners. And while Virginia Tech might beat out LSU in the computers, it will trail in the polls, leaving the Tigers in the middle to take the second spot.

LSU besting Virginia Tech would actually make sense because in a sport with so few direct comparisons, there is one here: LSU whipped Tech 48-7 back in September.

But would it make sense that 11-2 LSU, ranked No. 7 heading into Saturday, could skip ahead of five teams to get into the title game? LSU lost just last weekend to unranked Arkansas after all. In a sport that loves to bogusly promote itself as "every week is a playoff", that was supposed to be it.

Well, not so fast my friend.

The Tigers have been resurrected after winning the SEC championship Saturday and boasting the argument that, yes, sure, it lost two games but both came in triple overtime. That's about as close as a two-loss team can be to perfect.

That could allow them to leapfrog Georgia (10-2), currently ranked No. 4 in the BCS but incapable of even reaching the SEC title game (Tennessee won the East).

That might be enough to cause the Bulldogs, winners of six consecutive games, to become the anti-Ohio State. Rather than rise in the polls when not playing, Georgia could drop.

The assumption is the voters will push LSU ahead of Georgia since it seems unfair that a team that couldn't even play for its league championship could play for the national one.

Of course, that actually happened back in 2001 when Nebraska didn't win its division in the Big 12 and still made the BCS title game.

For Georgia, the frustrating part might be that voters will penalize it because of the memory of Nebraska using its reprieve to get pounded by Miami that year. Not that one has anything to do with the other, but, then again, nothing has to do with anything around here.

"LSU will jump Georgia and Georgia can't jump anyone," Palm predicted.

In a similar, although less impressive, vein, 11-1 Kansas couldn't win its division of the Big 12 but entered Saturday at No. 5 ? four spots above league champion Oklahoma, which decisively beat No. 1 Missouri 38-17. However, Kansas played a terrible schedule ? the teams it beat had a .417 winning percentage ? and lost just last week to Mizzou, which OU beat twice. So count KU out. It just isn't happening.

It isn't going to for Hawaii either. The Warriors finished the season 12-0 but its schedule was not particularly strong. Not only is that reflected in a weak computer number but voters are unlikely to give them the benefit of the doubt, even here in a year where you could argue giving a team like a Hawaii a shot at the title might actually make sense.

That brings us to Oklahoma, 11-2, which sure looked tough on Saturday night. The Sooners won just as many games as Ohio State, lost just as many as LSU and their only two losses were on the road, albeit both to unranked teams.

In a season where last impressions might mean so much, Palm expects the Sooners to get a major bump in the rankings. LSU did beat Tennessee 21-14 Saturday afternoon, but didn't look as good as the Sooners. So OU might move all the way to No. 2 in the rankings, which would be an incredible jump but, even more incredibly, might not be enough.

"I could see them emerging as No. 2 in the polls," Palm said. "But I don't think they are good enough in the computers."

A team that might be good enough in the computers is Virginia Tech (11-2), champions of the ACC after beating Boston College. The Hokies would certainly be a feel-good story, considering the memories of the massacre that occurred on their campus last spring. They entered the weekend ranked No. 6 in the BCS, ahead of the LSU team that pounded them way back when.

Palm said that Tech should also have an advantage in the computer segments of the BCS formula.

But, again, won't voters recall that head-to-head score and reshuffle LSU ahead of the Hokies?

"Virginia Tech is probably the better computer team," Palm said. "But I'm assuming LSU is better in the polls."

Of course, assuming is where this gets crazy. No one knows what the voters will do. The coaches have one poll and they are often either disinterested, sloppy participants or admitted partisans who normally vote first and foremost for teams in their league (unless they are Ohio State's Jim Tressel and Michigan is an option). Who knows how many even recall Tech and LSU played?

Meanwhile, the Harris Poll is made up of a huge unwashed mass of football observers ranging from former players to media and administrators. Who knows what they will do?

What could tip the balance is a surge for some unexpected candidate, such as say Southern California (10-2) which might be playing better than anyone right now. Yes the Trojans lost to a sad Stanford team, but if your criteria is choosing the top two teams right now, then they'll get some consideration. It probably won't be enough to make the title game, but it could be enough to affect it.

Meanwhile, what if Missouri and West Virginia don't drop that far and clog things up? What if, apropos of the season, nothing goes as expected? Anyone want to vote for Appalachian State?

No one really knows in a situation this fluid, which even by the soap opera standards of this sport ? reality TV for the alpha male ? is something to behold.

But if we have to make a prediction, then we'll listen to Palm and call it Ohio State and LSU ? two teams that were left for dead in late November only to come alive on the first day of December.

Whether this sounds strange or not, it isn't nearly as strange as ESPN's Kirk Herbstreit ? a former Ohio State quarterback ? declaring Saturday morning that Miles was headed to Michigan ? the Buckeyes' blood rival ? to become the Wolverines next coach.

Almost immediately other news organization started refuting the report. But it was enough to force a defiant Miles to hold a rare pre-SEC title game press conference to shout down the rumor in hopes of keeping his team focused. Who knows, it might have even been the final bit of motivation they needed.

"I am the head coach at LSU," Miles said. "I will be the head coach at LSU."

Indeed he will. Perhaps even in the national title game.
 

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I love Va Tech....lot of my family went there.....i was doing my Hokie Dance yesterday for the second straight week as I have a habit of playing them in big games.

That said:

They should call this whole thing off if they're playing in the BCS title game.

Seriously, any voter who puts them ahead of LSU should not be allowed to vote again. Why play games if we're not going to pay attention to results.

Same goes for any voter for has KU ahead of OU, or to a lesser extent UGA over LSU.....I know those teams did not play each other, but they''re in the same league. how can you vote for them ahead of the team who won their respective league.

Obviously, there will be a ton of controversy in a few hours.
 

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Is the BCS perfect.... not as perfect as some people think a play-off system could be. Fact is that before the BCS it was a Chinese fire drill and talk about politics !!!! This is the deal and you know what's at stake before the first card hits the table. Regular season counts.. Hello is anybody home? Just win. Win your conference. Every team plays 12 regular season games and some conferences have championships and some don't. Your subjective thoughts may be a concern to you but perhaps that's just your opinion. In reality you could put five or six team's names in a hat and draw and make a case for each team.

Best Wishes
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ASU is going to get the shaft - And its in absolute travesty considering the Big 10 has NO BUSINESS having two teams in the BCS and the PAC 10 having one.
 

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ASU is going to get the shaft
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Hmmm Arizona St. beat ONE team with a winning record, an unranked oregon st. Illinois beat 5 teams with a winning record, including the current number 1 team. (deserved or not). Boy that would be some shaft.:jerkit: :jerkit:
 

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Is the BCS perfect.... not as perfect as some people think a play-off system could be. Fact is that before the BCS it was a Chinese fire drill and talk about politics !!!! This is the deal and you know what's at stake before the first card hits the table. Regular season counts.. Hello is anybody home? Just win. Win your conference. Every team plays 12 regular season games and some conferences have championships and some don't. Your subjective thoughts may be a concern to you but perhaps that's just your opinion. In reality you could put five or six team's names in a hat and draw and make a case for each team.

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You are baiting us with this one. I think the old system was far better but both suck and this sport needs an 8 team playoff. Any one of the top 8 can take claim to the #1 spot. This system has sucked since it was implemented. And I am a Big Ten fan by the way and can watch OSU weasel their way in.
 

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ASU is going to get the shaft - And its in absolute travesty considering the Big 10 has NO BUSINESS having two teams in the BCS and the PAC 10 having one.

enjoy the holiday bowl, im sure you'll bring out a whopping 10k fans

:mj07:
 

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enjoy the holiday bowl, im sure you'll bring out a whopping 10k fans

:mj07:

Yeah man - I think its a rule you can't talk shit when the school you like hasn't BEEN TO A BOWL GAME IN TEN YEARS. That is like the chairman of Hardees talking shit to the chairman of McDonalds.

Just take the beat down we gave you yesterday and concentrate on U of As bowl game. Wait a second.:142smilie

Actually, enjoy god-awful and embarrassing Mike Stoops for another 4 years, and 4 more years of ASU smoking you.
 

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:rolleyes:
Hmmm Arizona St. beat ONE team with a winning record, an unranked oregon st. Illinois beat 5 teams with a winning record, including the current number 1 team. (deserved or not). Boy that would be some shaft.:jerkit: :jerkit:

HEY DUDE - THE BIG 10 SUCKS

Lets talk losses. ASU - at Autzen against UO and Dennis Dixon. Expected.
USC who is finally healthy and a better team. It happens.

U of I - A Michigan team that is bad, not to mention that lost their starting QB 2 quarters and U of I STILL COULD NOT WIN.

Mizzu which turned out to be not that great of a team

Iowa - :mj07:

3 losses against 2...in the WORST CONFERENCE OUT OF ALL THE BCS CONFERENCES. Thats the problem.
 
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