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Talk me out of OVER 8.5 please.

I think the offense is going to be POTENT. I really see 10 wins.

Only thing holding me back is tough early season... the value may be in a mid/early season play

:scared :scared
 

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Just don't see it. I have them in the 6-8 win range. Believe me, I would love 10 wins out of these guys, but in what I think is the toughest division in football, it's quite a challenge.

Everyone seems to be quite high on the "upgrades" to the offensive line this year. For starters, Jermon Bushrod is considered an upgrade at RT, but don't forget he protected Drew Brees last year. Brees gets rid of the ball as fast as anyone off the snap, and everyone knows Cutler hangs on to the ball too long. Kyle Long is an exciting RG, but I was pretty sure Carimi would be a staple of the offensive line for years. It's simply just too hard to tell. Throw in an injury to Webb or Garza, and its the same OL circus rotation that people have bitched about for the last couple years.

Bennett is a nice addition when they had virtually nothing out of the TE spot a year ago. I don't think Jeffery is a No. 2 receiver, but if Trestman uses the TE and the RB as much as people say he does in the passing game, it shouldn't be that much of a handicap.

Secondary and defensive line will keep them in ballgames just as in years past. I love Major Wright, and consider him an underrated safety. Bostic could be good....but a rookie MLB. Don't see teams being able to run or pass with much success this year.

So what's the kicker? You nailed it with the schedule. If they don't click with Trestman right off the bat, they will lose some games. 8 of the first 10 can be considered tough match ups. Lets say they go 5-5, can they go 4-2 the last six?

Just my two cents. Cheers!

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Talk me out of OVER 8.5 please.

I think the offense is going to be POTENT. I really see 10 wins.

Only thing holding me back is tough early season... the value may be in a mid/early season play

:scared :scared

I think their defense is close to collapsing, tey started to get shredded at end of last year, only looked good against a Detroit team who was ready to get the season over with. Maybe you are right but their o line still blows, I have them in the North's basement but I'm biased
 

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Will definitely be on this over, as well as to win the NFC North. Excellent offseason moves to directly address problems with the offense (T, pass-catching TE). One of my strongest season win total plays.
 

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I think their defense is close to collapsing, tey started to get shredded at end of last year, only looked good against a Detroit team who was ready to get the season over with. Maybe you are right but their o line still blows, I have them in the North's basement but I'm biased

you're hilarious

queens WILL be in the cellar.....book it.

and as for the bears d collapsing last year but rising up vs det.....um.......that det game was the most points they allowed an opponent in the last 6 weeks (which included 2 vs your queens, the seachickens and packers)
 

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I like bears to win that division I really like packers under 10.5, brutal schedule and too many holes
 

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you're hilarious

queens WILL be in the cellar.....book it.

and as for the bears d collapsing last year but rising up vs det.....um.......that det game was the most points they allowed an opponent in the last 6 weeks (which included 2 vs your queens, the seachickens and packers)

Points wise yes but Chico's defense got them in a big mess in Minny. They were gashed like a truck and Minny went into prevent offense so Ponder wouldn't give up the big lead.

I've been very good predicting the purple squad, could be off on the Bears but you are having a lot of hope for a team who played Dismal for second half of season, I mean dismal
 

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I guess 3-5 to close out not so dismal, but very disappointing end to a season even though they beat zona and Detroit. Asking a lot to expect the defense to create the turnovers they did in first half of season last year. They didn't do it in second half and fell flat

Maybe this will be the year the offense gels? Can they beat Green Bay at least once?

Good luck with your plays
 

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Points wise yes but Chico's defense got them in a big mess in Minny. They were gashed like a truck and Minny went into prevent offense so Ponder wouldn't give up the big lead.

I've been very good predicting the purple squad, could be off on the Bears but you are having a lot of hope for a team who played Dismal for second half of season, I mean dismal

i'm not sure you watch the games and it doesn't matter but if giving up 248 yards is getting gashed then I hope the bears get gashed all year long.

I think minn got about 100 yards after the 1st quarter and also scored on a d td to get 21

last year is last year......this year I think chi offense finally catches up to the defense......now, injuries can happen and evens things out but min CLEARLY has the worst player in the division at the most important position....qb.....and i'd say he's probably the worst qb in the nfc.....he's a huge liability and that will be the downfall as I don't see Peterson having an UNREAL year again and everything falling into place for them like last year.
 

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i'm not sure you watch the games and it doesn't matter but if giving up 248 yards is getting gashed then I hope the bears get gashed all year long.

I think minn got about 100 yards after the 1st quarter and also scored on a d td to get 21

last year is last year......this year I think chi offense finally catches up to the defense......now, injuries can happen and evens things out but min CLEARLY has the worst player in the division at the most important position....qb.....and i'd say he's probably the worst qb in the nfc.....he's a huge liability and that will be the downfall as I don't see Peterson having an UNREAL year again and everything falling into place for them like last year.

Points wise yes but Chico's defense got them in a big mess in Minny. They were gashed like a truck and Minny went into prevent offense so Ponder wouldn't give up the big lead.

I've been very good predicting the purple squad, could be off on the Bears but you are having a lot of hope for a team who played Dismal for second half of season, I mean dismal

Take it with a grain of salt GJN23.....
He's watching Chico's defense (aka Ron Rivera's defense), who was last the D-Coordinator in 2006 :shrug:
 

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i'm not sure you watch the games and it doesn't matter but if giving up 248 yards is getting gashed then I hope the bears get gashed all year long.

I think minn got about 100 yards after the 1st quarter and also scored on a d td to get 21

last year is last year......this year I think chi offense finally catches up to the defense......now, injuries can happen and evens things out but min CLEARLY has the worst player in the division at the most important position....qb.....and i'd say he's probably the worst qb in the nfc.....he's a huge liability and that will be the downfall as I don't see Peterson having an UNREAL year again and everything falling into place for them like last year.

We are going to have to agree to disagree. You say Ponder is this and Ponder is that, I think he will be fine. What about Cutler? He's a big mistake or blowout waiting to happen plus he's an arrogant ass who thinks he's 3 times better than what he is.

Yep Vikes 248 yards of offense but 148 in first quarter. If memory serves me right Bears added a late one to make it close otherwise they were beat the whole game.
 

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The Bears Defense didn't play well after Urlacher went out to end the season as he was their play caller on D.

One of the biggest failings that Lovie Smith had was to not give enough snaps to the second team and without any practice at calling in and out of defenses, Briggs actually hurt them at the end of the year. That is not the case this season. Draft pick Bostic has been a beast in the middle all camp which will only push free agent signee D.J. Williams to excel when he returns from calf injury later in camp. Cornerback Tillman and Jennings are at the top of their game and Chris Conte has another year under his belt and will continue to grow and excel at safety. He is a player to watch as is Peppers and Melton on the DL. Offensively, Forte is healthy and looking to make a mark this year. With the signing of Bennett at TE, they finally have a GOOD BLOCKING TE to help out the tackles.
I have them at 11-5 and winning the division. I honestly think that much of the "late season collapse" was due to the pitiful coaching staff we had last year. While I completely agree that Lovie is a nice guy and a players coach, he was completely lost when it came to making a halftime adjustment or put a team away. The offense had lost complete confidence in him and in the players on the Offensive line. By addressing those issues in the off season with UFA signings and draft picks they Bears have injected some hope back into the offense. If they are able to get off to a fast start I believe they win the division and contend for the conference.

Hope this helps,
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We are going to have to agree to disagree. You say Ponder is this and Ponder is that, I think he will be fine. What about Cutler? He's a big mistake or blowout waiting to happen plus he's an arrogant ass who thinks he's 3 times better than what he is.

Yep Vikes 248 yards of offense but 148 in first quarter. If memory serves me right Bears added a late one to make it close otherwise they were beat the whole game.

cutler isnt a top 5 or 10 qb.....but he's light years better than ponder....name one starting qb in the nfc that ponder is better than:

room-eli-rg3-vick......nope
Rodgers-cutler-Stafford.....nope
brees-ryan-newton-freeman.....newton/freeman are probably in that tier but i'd take them in a heartbeat over ponder
kapernick-wilson-palmer-Bradford.......Bradford is probably the closet to ponder in the nfc, and he's never had a full compliment on offense and i'm not sure any gm would take ponder over him

in my book that's a clean sweep....15-0.......and qb is THE most important position in all of sports

they won in spite of him and rode an UNREAL year by ap.....he gets hurt, is normal...1700 yards....they don't get fluke/close wins at the same rate and they are a 4-6 win team.
 

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cutler isnt a top 5 or 10 qb.....but he's light years better than ponder....name one starting qb in the nfc that ponder is better than:

room-eli-rg3-vick......nope
Rodgers-cutler-Stafford.....nope
brees-ryan-newton-freeman.....newton/freeman are probably in that tier but i'd take them in a heartbeat over ponder
kapernick-wilson-palmer-Bradford.......Bradford is probably the closet to ponder in the nfc, and he's never had a full compliment on offense and i'm not sure any gm would take ponder over him

in my book that's a clean sweep....15-0.......and qb is THE most important position in all of sports

they won in spite of him and rode an UNREAL year by ap.....he gets hurt, is normal...1700 yards....they don't get fluke/close wins at the same rate and they are a 4-6 win team.

Yeah and that's a hell of a lot of good QBs as well. You say Bradford never had a full compliment of offense, but Ponder has played only 2 seasons and Percy played half of last season and many of his catches are close to line of scrimmage. Teams will get beat by the pass this year in a nine man box against AP. you talk about fluke wins for Minny last year? They deserved everyone of their wins, with maybe one exception to jax and jax took late lead on a fluke. Ponder's numbers of 18td - 12ints with 3000 yards and higher completion percentage and QB ranking gives Vikes optimism in Ponder with new receivers.

Vikes 4-6 wins really? The best o - line in division and not even close, best group of young talent, no team in division drafted better past 3 seasons and watch the secondary improve. I got with at least 8, possibly 11.
 

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Thanks for all the input, fellas!!


I think I am going to make a very large on Bears over 8.5. I'm seeing -130.

Anyone know better odds? BobbyW?
 

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Think you have an easy winner!!
If they can stay healthy and give Cutler a little protection marshall, jeffrey, cutler, bennett, and forte are right up there with any other 5 in the league!

I'll be up there for the cinc game! and cubbies on Sat!

Bear Down!
 

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Think you have an easy winner!!
If they can stay healthy and give Cutler a little protection marshall, jeffrey, cutler, bennett, and forte are right up there with any other 5 in the league!

I'll be up there for the cinc game! and cubbies on Sat!

Bear Down!

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