Belichecks Weight Problem

[pacerfan]

Hell, the guy has to be pushing 350 now w/ all you lemmings swinging from his sack.

Ya, he is a good coach, but he is not the messiah that you claim him to be. For his system to experience success, he must have the proper ingredients(players),which he has this year.

Why weren't you guys touting him as a 'genius' back when he coached the Cleveland Browns to a 36-44 record??
Why? B/c he didn't have the ingredients to make it work in Cleveland.

Again, yes he is a good coach..but he would be in the same 'Doghouse'(pardon the pun) if he wasn't blessed w/ the talent he has now. Just iritates me to see so many people come out of the woodwork and jerk this guy off...."Give Belicheck 2 weeks and he could solve the worlds hunger problem, clean up the drug wars, and put an end to HIV"

 

[Vegas Dave]

Belichick has grown as a coach and learned from his past.

This team does not have a lot of talent, but they play as a TEAM. That is something that cannot be said for many other teams in the whole league.

Everyplayer shows up and gives an effort, and nobody takes plays off. This team is very similar to the Anaheim Mighty Ducks last year who were so strong fundamentally.

What talent does this team have? Deion Branch? David Givens? Troy Brown? Tyrone Poole? Belichick doesn't look for talent, he creates it. His concept of TEAM has developed all these players into something. Rodney Harrison and Tyrone Poole were castaways from their team. You think Tom Brady is talented? He is a poster boy for guys like Drew Brees and Ken Dorsey. He doesn't have a strong arm, but makes smart decisions. Why? Because Belichick just preaches to take care of the ball, and don't turn it over.

Currently in the NFL there is no better coach for developing game-plans to expose his opponents.

You watch one of these nobodies leave New England and go play somewhere else. We'll forget about them faster than you can say Steve Urkle.

 

[ET4646]

You are absolutely correct a coach is only as good as his players. You must admit though he doesn't have a ton of great players but as a whole his team is solid. They started 0-2 and everyone was ready to lynch him for letting milloy go. I am a Bills fan so trust me I have no love for this guy but he is a great coach that gets the most out of what he has to work with. They just don't make alot of mistakes i.e. picks, fumbles, stupid penalties which in MO is a reflection of coaching.

 

[pacerfan]

What talent does this team have? Deion Branch? David Givens? Troy Brown? Tyrone Poole?

He has no talent? Interesting.

Here are a few:

Ty Law
Rodney Harrison
Willie McGinnest(sp)
Tom Brady
Adam Vinitieri(sp)


Any of these guys could start for ANY of the other NFL teams....


Basically you are trying to tell me that Belicheck could've taken Arizona to the SB b/c THEY have little, if no, talent.

 

[Vegas Dave]

Brady does not have a strong arm for deep routes. He would not be able to efficiently run a lot of offenses in this league.

Rodney Harrison was cut by the Chargers who have one of the weakest secondaries in the league. Granted it was partially for salary reasons but in the offseason nobody really wanted to touch this guy because the big knock on him was that he is only good against the run.

Ty Law and Willie McGinest are good players, not questionning that. But this guy gets his whole team to play like they are Super Bowl champions. No he wouldn't be able to take Arizona to the Super Bowl, but I can assure you that he would be able to do a lot more with the Minnesota Vikings than Mike Tice did, or he would be able to get the awfully coached Rams at the very least to the Super Bowl.

There are many teams in the league that have more "play-makers" than the New England Patriots do, but unlike other teams this team is led by their coach. That's all I'm saying.

 

[ET4646]

Wow, you listed 5 players and one of them is a kicker? That says something about the "star" players on this team.

 

[pacerfan]

Wow, you listed 5 players and one of them is a kicker? That says something about the "star" players on this team.

Were you watching the same game I was on sunday?

That kicker accounted for 15 of the 24(or 63%)of the Pats points ...

 

[Vegas Dave]

Believe it or not one of the very few requirements for this type of team is a solid kicker, which is what Vinatieri is.

He's not even a pro bowler but he's very clutch and consistent which is extremely important for this team.

He's one of the few players on this team that you could say without him, they would be no where.

 

[Valuist]

While I think Bellicheck is an excellent coach, I question some of the play calling last Sunday. Why the hell would you throw 1 pass (let alone 2) with 2:30 to play in the game? Gaining yards should not be a concern. Run the ball 3 times and either keep the clock moving, or force the Colts to burn their time outs. Then there was the Brady bootleg play. I put that one on Brady for not sliding. True, replays showed that he was down before the ball came out but why take a chance like that???

 

[Vegas Dave]

It is definitely a questionable call, but I'll give him some credit for trying. The Patriots were agressive all game long, and I'm glad that he stuck with it and didn't pull a Mike Martz.

The Patriots had virtually no problem moving the ball all game long, so why not try to pick up the first down and end the game. You figure you're in field goal range already, and you'll seal the game with a field goal in any case, so why not try to just pick up the first down and end it right now? It's just an effort to outsmart the other team, it didn't work, but at least he stuck with the aggressiveness.

I guess all's well ends well.

 

[ET4646]

Your right the kicker is there best player he must be a hell of a coach to get to the superbowl. lol the botom line is this guy gets it done he's is one of the best coaches, is he god? No of course not.

 

[Valuist]

If Brady would've thrown a pick on one of those two passes, Bellichek would've (rightfully so) been villified whether the Colts would've come back or not. At that point, the clock should be number one priority. The Colts have already shown tremendous comeback ability to put up pts in a hurry against the Bucs and the earlier meeting against the Patriots....it wasn't the smart thing to do. And if the Colts had intercepted and ended up tying and then winning the game, everything Bellichek had accomplished from 2001 and this season would've been completely thrown out the window.

 

[Vegas Dave]

Valuist,

It's quite true. I wish people would be villifying Mike Martz right now because he is head and shoulders the worst coach in the league. Unfortunately nobody seems to give him any credit for that, and he still has a job.

Imagine what a guy like Belichick would do with that team?

But back to Beli's decision, I know what you are saying. It's a move that can be justified by some, and not justified by others. As I mentionned in my write up for the Super Bowl the Patriots are not a very good team at running the ball in the 'hand it off' sense. They do a lot of short passes to receivers which simulates a running game but I don't think anybody really has confidence in Antowain Smith or Kevin Faulk if they are needed to carry the load. That may have factored into the playcalling for the last couple of minutes.

 

[lostinamerica]

I agree 100% with what Vegas Dave said: "Belichick has grown as a coach and learned from his past."


FWIW on the ups and downs of Bill Belichick's head coaching career, I posted this at MJ's on 1/26/02 prior to the AFC Championship game in which New England(+10) beat Pittsburgh, 24-17:

"Siding with New England feels like a move that needs justification or explanation. A look at the Patriots has to start with the role of head coach Bill Belichick. No one ever questions his inventive genius in defensive game planning. What has been rare among a fraternity of egotistical and driven NFL coaches has been a conscious change (it must have been percolating last year) in his approach to people. People on the team and people around the team. I'm sure he's probably still a dick. Nonetheless, after being known as abrasive, aloof and condescending, this guy now comes across as engaging, patient and sympathetic. Early in the year Belichick observed he would not have been a good hire as a head coach if he hadn't learned from his stint in Cleveland and taken stock of why he was unsuccessful. Teams are usually a reflection of the head man, and Belichick and the Patriots edge Dick Jauron and the Chicago Bears in my book for being the surprise story of this NFL season.

As several assistant coaches and players for the Steelers have observed, the Belichick style on defense is far removed from the Ravens modus operandi that gives the same look every week and is just sound and tough in what they do. Belichick 'watches film and invents a defense for that week,' so it's very hard to uncover their tendencies. 'They're very sound at what they do for the multitude of things they do. You don't see a lot of people talking and hand-signaling. They're all in synch...He schemes your protection, he schemes your formations and he tries to understand what you're doing and puts his guys in situations where he wins the match-ups.' With more regularity than the other guy.

It works about the same in putting in the Patriot's offense, too. I did read earlier in the week that in a break from the norm, Belichick was going to delegate more responsibility to defensive coordinator Romeo Crennel and take a bigger role in preparing the offense. I'm not exactly sure what that means, but I did think it was worth mentioning. I'd like to get a take from old boss Bill Parcells on where that move is coming from.

And the team has responded. What stands out week after week is that the Patriots 'have replaced their image as a soft team to one built on guts, hard work and strength in the midst of adversity.'"

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Jumping forward, this one from 12/31/03 just slays me:

"Do you have any New Year's resolutions?" he(Belichick) was asked, 36 hours before the end of 2003.

"We still have a couple of days on that, right?" the New England Patriots coach told chuckling reporters before gathering his thoughts and breaking them up with: "Probably the same as last year, to be as helpful as I possibly can to the media."

 

[shamrock]

pacerfan-didn't you and I have a hat bet on AFC championship??

Shamrock

 

[dukie]

Pacerfan, all I can say is get over it. The Colts lost to a team with a great coach. Week in and week out the players on this team have been crediting Belicheck for his game plans. What he has accomplished this season with this team has to be cosidered to be a great coaching job bottom line. The credit he is receiving is very well deserved.

 

[Topdog]

Pacer Fan

Pacer Fan

I'm certainly no Belicheck, but I can offer suggestions as to how to Avoid.... HIV!! LOL!! .......I'll give some thought to the Hunger and Drug problems of the world.

Often times, the difference between good decisions and bad decisions, is the final result. Pearl Harbor and the Texas Alamo must have seemed good ideas at the time to some, not to mention the Titanic.

Great coaches see things in people that others do not, including the person themself. Then they teach people how to accomplish their goals through teamwork, and by getting it done with what you have. If a group of players doesn't buy into this or is less coachable or is less dedicated, then the coach needs a different group. I saw this sign over the door of a Dance studio, "Never try to teach a pig to dance........you'll only frustrate yourself and aggravate the Pig".

Keep it Positive, Topdog!!

 

[pacerfan]

Pacerfan, all I can say is get over it. The Colts lost to a team with a great coach. Week in and week out the players on this team have been crediting Belicheck for his game plans. What he has accomplished this season with this team has to be cosidered to be a great coaching job bottom line. The credit he is receiving is very well deserved.

Dukie..

Please stay the hell out o' my threads,as you add absolutely no value...

I was 'over it' monday morning...but it seems like you can't take any criticism before going off the deep end....get a grip man.



And yes Sham...thanks for reminding me....what size colts hat would you like

 

[jmizeus]

u can talk all u want about belichek. in my mind he is the best hc in the nfl. he has learned alot from the past. being under parcells im sure helped matters for his maturity. but this man knows how to get his team ready for a game. i take nothing away from carolina, but i do see a blow-out on superbowl sunday. pacerfan, ur colts just went down this past week, are un sure ur just not pissed after a tough defeat?
colts had a great run, but yes mr belichek got in there way.
i donot believe the pats have good talent, but lets look at the seatle mariners,when they had a-rod and randy? what did they do as a team? u must play together, and this man has them playing and believing real well

 

[pacerfan]

pacerfan, ur colts just went down this past week, are un sure ur just not pissed after a tough defeat?

Can't a man express his OPINION w/out it being lumped into 'sour grapes'...jeez, tough crowd