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Who were the ten best players of 2002?
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I'm not going off value, MVP, head-to-head matchups or draft status. For me, these were simply the ten best college football players this season.

1. Willis McGahee, RB Miami
All I know is that the guy came through every single time Miami needed a big play. He was getting slowed down by Florida State. Then BOOM. A big catch and run to set up the winning score. Game in and game out, no player was consistently better than McGahee. He is going to be an NFL superstar.

2. Larry Johnson, RB Penn State
I know he was average in the three big games, but he was ridiculously good in the others.

3. David Pollack, DE Georgia
Every time I was watching Georgia, Pollack was making a big play or was blowing something up.

4. LaMarcus McDonald, LB TCU
I immediately dismiss any All-America team that doesn't have McDonald on the first team. To me, that says you didn't watch enough college football.

5. Terrell Suggs, DE Arizona State
The guy is just a menace coming off the edge. I can't remember seeing a player so consistently able to get into the backfield.

6. Rashaun Woods, WR Oklahoma State
Defensive backs simply couldn't cover him. His performances against UCLA and Oklahoma were unbelievable.

7. E.J. Henderson, LB Maryland
I'm a sucker for great linebackers, and Henderson was great early in the season when he was hobbling, then he really turned it on.

8. Jason Gesser, QB Washington State
He doesn't get enough credit for making plays when he was injured. He had one bad game against Ohio State.

9. Brad Banks, QB Iowa
Banks lit up defenses with no star wide receivers to throw to. It helped that he operated behind one of the nation's best offensive lines.

10. Carson Palmer, QB USC
I don't think enough is made about his supporting cast. He got to play with a 2006 Who's Who of NFL talent. The Notre Dame secondary really is that good, and Palmer went through it like it wasn't there
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#1 QB Carson Palmer, USC-Beginning on October 19, it took Palmer just six games to make the unlikely transformation from blue-chip bust to player of the year. Capped by a brilliant performance against a stingy Notre Dame defense, he guided the Trojans to a 10-2 mark and a berth in the 2003 Orange Bowl, all the while shedding the unsavory labels that had plagued him in his first four years in Los Angeles. Beyond the torrid finish and the Pac-10 passing records, what separates Palmer from the rest of the talented field is that he performed his aerial mastery against the toughest schedule in the country. While others had the luxury of padding their numbers against the occasional cream puff, the senior was facing the likes of Auburn, Colorado, Kansas State and the Irish before the Pac-10 schedule began.

#2 RB Willis McGahee, Miami
#3 RB Larry Johnson, Penn State
#4 QB Brad Banks, Iowa
#5 DE Terrell Suggs, Arizona State
#6 QB Kliff Kingsbury, Texas Tech
#7 CB Terence Newman, Kansas State
#8 QB Jason Gesser, Washington State
#9 LB E.J. Henderson, Maryland
#10 DE David Pollack, Georgia


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1-Willis McGahee. He carried the water for an exceptional football team. And lest you think it was all because of Miami?s balance and Miami?s O-line, think again. The signature plays of the year, the big plays of Miami?s season, were McGahee runs that he himself created. Did it against Boston College, did it against Florida State, did it against Pittsburgh. He took the ball and did something with it. Against FSU, he outran the Noles along the sideline with an impressive burst of speed. Against both BC and Pitt, he had no initial hole and singlehandedly carved out a pathway through an opposing defense for six big points. McGahee did it his way, and that?s why he?s the best.

2-Carson Palmer. USC?s passing game was a thing of beauty. The fact that Palmer struggled in previous seasons makes this breakthrough that much more impressive, laudable and historic. It took time, but the much-ballyhooed prospect finally became the success story many thought he?d be. He?ll ride this to the NFL Draft and deservedly get a very, very high pick. He?s the best quarterback in the land, no doubt.

3-Matt Wilhelm. Because I?ve been so impressed with the soundness of the most airtight defense in the country, I have to give an appropriately lofty ranking to the anchor of that defense, Mr. Wilhelm. Because of all the great values Ohio State?and particularly its defense?represents, I must accordingly say that Wilhelm, as the quarterback of this defense, stands for everything that is good and right in collegiate athletics, the paragon of what a linebacker?and a college football player?should be.

4-David Pollack. If Wilhelm is rated third, the Georgia defensive tackle has to be next in line. In a preview of the Georgia-Kentucky game back in late October, I called Pollack ?your grandpappy?s kind of SEC warrior.? Indeed. Whether it was his incredible interception/steal of Corey Jenkins in the South Carolina game, or his courageous goal-line tackle later in that game, or his big plays in the Florida game, or just the week-in, week-out display of guts, leadership and flawless football instincts, Pollack proved to be the soul of a great Georgia defense that made this season a special one in Athens. There might be better raw physical talent out there (same thing for Wilhelm), but I?d go to war with a David Pollack (same for Wilhelm) any day of the week.

5-Chris Gamble. Hey, did he rack up huge stats? Heck, did he even play his natural position most of the time? (One wonders what his natural position IS right now?) But in terms of impacting the college football season with clutch, athletic plays on an island?just like Charles Woodson in 1997?did anyone do more than the Ohio State receiver? errrr, ahhhh? cover corner?

6-Brad Banks. In a Heisman context, the value of Iowa?s quarterback is slightly devalued. But in terms of ranking all college football players within a context of both offensive and defensive players, intangible value has more weight. Therefore, Banks deserves to be on the short list of players who were ?the best? in 2002. He started out somewhat slowly at first, and took some time to find a deep passing game to his receivers on the edges. But once he found his groove, Banks and the Iowa offense became absolutely unstoppable, a full-fledged juggernaut that could have taught the rest of the Big Ten a thing or two about how to attack Ohio State?s defense. One thing that remained constant, however, was Banks? ball security: a 26/4 TD/INT ratio is outstanding in any year.

7-Jason Gesser. Why this quarterback?s Heisman candidacy was devalued so quickly, whereas Byron Leftwich and also Banks were elevated to the very end, mystifies me. Sure, Washington State had a great defense, but Gesser was and is the heart and soul of the Cougars. Without his quick release, enormous toughness (he posted 48 points on Cal while wearing a flak jacket) and football savvy, the Cougars would have been NOTHING this year, despite an army of rangy receivers. Gesser was a stud in 2002, hands down.

8-Byron Leftwich. He can?t be left off the short list. His loss at Virginia Tech was marred by the fact that his receiving corps caught a huge case of the dropsies. (Marshall?s receivers could indeed ?catch? diseases, but not footballs, on that night in Blacksburg.) This is a class kid, a great poster-boy for the beauty and passion of college football, who?moreover?is a classic pocket passer with great arm strength and accuracy. He?s a keeper, no two ways about it.

9-Cory Redding. This guy was a manchild, and a man possessed for the Longhorns this year. In smothering performances against Iowa State and especially on the road at Kansas State, this Texas terror told his mates to climb on his bucking bronco back and hang on. His combination of leadership and toughness carried Texas before Chris Simms hit his stride in November. A force such as Redding has to make the short list of great players in 2002.

10-Tie, Mike Williams and Rashaun Woods. These two receivers, after their performances alone against Notre Dame and Oklahoma respectively, deserve to be on a short list. But they were great throughout the course of the 2002 seasons as well?Williams dazzling with his range, Woods more with his quickness and his ability to get open. In their own ways, these two receivers showed the stuff of more than ordinary men.

And in closing, if I left a player off a list, it?s not because I forgot. This is a short list, for one thing. (otherwise, the expression ?he deserves to be on the short list? wouldn?t mean anything) Secondly, I interpreted this more generic ?best player rankings? to account more for intangible value and less for pure, stat-centered ?Heisman Trophy-style? value, which need ?production? that exceeds leadership qualities. Here, I sought more of a balance between the two. That?s why Larry Johnson?s loud stats, for example, excluded him from this, a list that accounted for both offensive and defensive players. Finally, if I left someone off, that should not be interpreted as a slam on you, your family, your school, your team, your conference, your intelligence, or anything about you. It?s my analysis?detatched, unemotional, sit-down-and-think analysis. Nothing more, nothing less
 

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David Pollack, DE, Georgia

Haven't heard of David Pollack? It seems not many folks have, including those who vote for the Ted Hendricks Award, given to the nation's top defensive end. A 6-2, 275-pound sophomore, Pollack wasn't even a finalist for the hardware. Maybe his quick ascension caught many off guard.

You see, Pollack wasn't supposed to be this good. Heck, the guy arrived in Athens as a fullback. He has been on the move ever since, playing defensive tackle in 2001 and moving to end during spring drills. It wasn't a seamless transition.

"To be honest, I was awful," he says. "It took a lot of work and coaching." Pollack knows all about hard work. He also knows a lot about jabbering at foes. It's what fires him up. When Pollack sees an opponent struggling and getting frustrated, that's when he kicks his teasing into high gear. "You can tell when you're making them mad," he says. "It's an enjoyable situation."

But Pollack is more than just talk. He led the SEC with 12 sacks and 30 quarterback pressures and notched 20 tackles for losses. He also broke up seven passes on a defense that has been a major factor in Georgia's winning its first SEC championship since 1982.

Big 12

Kliff Kingsbury, QB, Texas Tech

Don't mess with the helmet. That was the lesson after Kliff Kingsbury's headgear went missing after a 510-yard passing performance against Missouri. Sporting a foreign helmet in the next game, he tossed four interceptions in a loss to Colorado. In the next, he had to leave the game against Baylor with an injured ankle. Finally, the helmet turned up at a party.

Back in those comfy confines for the next game, Kingsbury was his usual self, throwing for 425 yards and four touchdowns in a win over Oklahoma State. He kept on humming, setting seven NCAA records on the way to completing 447 of 669 passes for 4,642 yards with 42 touchdowns and 12 interceptions and leading the Red Raiders to a third consecutive bowl.

Mountain West

Bradlee Van Pelt, QB, Colorado State

If Bradlee Van Pelt had listened to the Michigan State coaches, he'd be intercepting passes instead of throwing them. Spartans coaches saw his 6-3, 220-pound frame and had visions of a strong safety or linebacker. But Van Pelt wanted to play quarterback, so he transferred to Colorado State.

There, he honed his passing skills and became a dynamic threat for a program headed to a bowl for a school-record fourth consecutive season. The secret? Van Pelt says he never had anyone work with him as passer before transferring. Co-offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach Dan Hammerschmidt spent hours training Van Pelt on, among other things, his release point and reading defenses. It paid off: Van Pelt completed 54 percent of his passes this season for 2,049 yards.

ACC

Matt Schaub, QB, Virginia

It's hard to believe he once had to share the quarterbacking job. But when Bryson Spinner transferred after last season, Schaub took the reins, and this year, he set the school record for touchdown passes in a season, with 27.

Big East

Willis McGahee, RB, Miami

An injury to projected starter Frank Gore in the spring paved the way for McGahee to take the field. All McGahee, a 6-1, 225-pound sophomore, has done is rush for 1,686 yards and 27 touchdowns, both school records.

Big Ten

Larry Johnson, RB, Penn State

He was raring to go as an underclassman, but in typical Penn State fashion, he had to wait his turn. It was worth it: As a senior, Johnson ran for a national-best 2,015 yards, becoming just the ninth I-A player to eclipse 2000 yards.

C-USA

LaMarcus McDonald, LB, TCU

He drives his coaches crazy, often doing something on the field other than he was directed. But those free-lancing ways have resulted in McDonald, a senior, ranking as the Horned Frogs' all-time leader in tackles for losses (56).

MAC

Byron Leftwich, QB, Marshall

He played hard, and he played hurt?against Akron, he needed teammates to carry him downfield because of an injured ankle?but he never stopped on his way to becoming the MAC's all-time leading passer (11,654 career yards).

Pac-10

Carson Palmer, QB, USC

Not long ago, Palmer was considered one of the most underachieving quarterbacks in the nation. But after a second season working in coach Pete Carroll's system, Palmer will leave Troy as the school's greatest quarterback.

Sun Belt

Brandon Kennedy, DT, North Texas

At 5-10, 325, Kennedy is literally and figuratively the plug in a Mean Green defense that ranks among the best in the nation. A junior, he led the Sun Belt in tackles for loss (24) and ranked second with nine sacks.

WAC

Brock Forsey, RB, Boise State

Running in the shadows of the nation's big programs, he quietly collected 1,533 yards. Forsey, a senior, leads the nation in scoring with 174 points on 29 touchdowns for the best program you've never heard of.
 

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Palmer easily best player in the nation. He put his numbers up against the toughest schedule in the nation. 10/12 teams he faced are playing in a bowl game. WOW!

I take a guy who puts up the best numbers compared to anyone in the nation and top of that, faced the toughest competition in the nation!

Easy choice

Too bad their is no playoff system because USC is the best team in the nation!

USC vs Iowa best bowl game too! Can't wait.
 

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If not for Norm Chow Palmer would be a joke like he has been the last few years. Leftwich has had 3 different Offensive Coordinators since being at Marshall...
 

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Gesser legitimately could have been the Heisman winner, if he hadn't gotten knocked out of the Washington game.

He took a beating vs OhioSt. He played great and threw accurately while playing on one leg vs UCLA. He's a winner and laughs off hits regularly. Has a great calm, confident demeanor about him. Great player.
 

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I see you don't follow the Pac 10 or more precisely USC football. Palmer in his career has had the worst O-Line (sacked most in pac 10 every year) and has had recievers drop passes repeatedly. This year only 1 game where recievers dropped passes (KSU). In addition, Palmer had one of the worst head coaches ever in Paul I can't Hacket and Pete Carroll show in 2 years how bad Hacket was. Pete has awakened the sleeping Giant. Now USC has the #1 recruiting class in the nation.

Palmer always was a great QB, but he unfortunately did not have the talent around him. Last year bad O-line and a 4th string converted FB was our starting running back (meaning we had no run game).

Palmer will be drafted before Leftwitch and do not compare MARSHALL ever to USC. Pac 10 is one of the toughest conferences in the nation, and all the numbers Leftwitch has is against inferior competition. Palmer faced and suceeded against the toughest competition anyone could possibly face. To me, that is a winner, a HEISMON WINNER! Its just too bad other players put up numbers against inferior competition. But maybe they should not go to a school where they play bad teams. USC always has and always will play anybody anywhere.

10 of the 12 teams USC faced are in bowl games. WOW!!!!!

Pete Carroll should get coach of year!
 

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Someone else wrote this about Palmer. Its very good and Palmer is the best QB and player in the nation. HANDS DOWN!

http://usctrojans.ocsn.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/palmer-home.html

Carson Palmer is the quintessential study in courage, heart, durability and perseverance. A Heisman Trophy would be sweet redemption for this fine young man and a reward for what he has endured through his college career at SC.

Is any QB in the country playing better than Carson Palmer right now?.
Is there any QB in the country gone through what Carson Palmer has, and handled it all without pointing fingers, or complaint?

Consider; Carson has endured 3 QB coaches, 2 head coaches, 4 offensive line coaches, one team that ended in Pac-10 last place, 2 years with suspect defense, a year the running game was Pac-10 last place, 1 year he was sacked 40 times, and another season where the ball was turned over 38 times. Plus special teams that have never been too special.

Carson Palmer, throughout these darkest of times in SC football, never complained and often placed more blame on himself than he should have.
He was consistently ask to win every game by himself. If you watch the tapes of his first three yeas playing at SC, you will see Carson Palmer running for his life most of his career. He was college football's Forest Gump, run for you life Carson RUN.

Carson came in with a lot of media hype. (He didn't ask for all that hype and exaggerated expectations, the media created that for him). When he couldn't live up to "their" Golden Boy exaggerated projections, they blamed almost every loss on him. Yet he never complained or pointed fingers.
In the finest of Trojan tradition, he took the blame and Fought On!

Carson Palmer's personality is such it appears he has almost no ego. But don't be mistaken, Carson Palmer is as competitive as any QB that has ever played at SC.
He has a fire burning in there. He wants an Orange Bowl win as bad as any of the SC faithful.

Carson will leave USC with every QB record. Including ints. A lot of those ints were not all his fault. I will live with the ints. He
is simply the best QB in the history of USC and now the Pac-10.
Imagine if Pete Carroll with his defensive strategies, and Norm Chow's offenses could have been here for the five years with Carson.
Imagine Mike Williams being here with Carson throughout his career.
Imagine if he would have had this (most improved squad over last year) offensive line for his playing career?
Imagine Justin Fargas taking the hand off, or pitch from Carson for four years.

Next year we have some talented and competitive young QB's coming up. Will any of them step in and take the place of a rugged, 6-6, 225 pound, seasoned 5 year veteran like Carson Palmer.......?
Don't look for that to happen over night.
Although these young QB's coming up will have a huge advantage Carson never had. They will have a strong coaching staff,
solid recruits, and established team around them. The saddest part of Carson Palmer's career is, it took SC five years to finally give this tremendous talent a supporting cast to showcase his abilities.
Better late than never.

If any 5th year senior ever deserved and earned a Heisman Trophy, it's Carson Palmer.
The Heisman Trophy has turned into a "career award" not just best player of each year. Simply check Carson Palmer's "career" records, and the senior "year of his life" he's having against the toughest schedule in the nation.
Carson Palmer deserves the Heisman Trophy.

Carson Palmer will be playing and starring on Sundays for ever. For his sake I hope he goes in the middle of the first round.
Not to high = lousy team, where he would get the squat beat out of him for years, ala Jim Plunkett, or not to low = a good
team that has a young QB and Carson would not start for years, ala Steve Young. Carson has paid his dues.


Fight On Carson Palmer, keep on setting Pac-10 records right on through the Orange Bowl.
Fight On Carson Palmer, the greatest Quarterback in Trojan and Pac-10 history?


Add Carson Palmer's name to long and illustrious list of "Great Trojans" .
Add to the name of Carson Palmer "LEADER" and "CLASS"
and "PERSEVERANCE".

I love Carson Palmer.

HAND HIM THE TROPHY!

How lucky we all have been to see this player come in as a young raw talented Freshmen and develop into this shinning man
example of what TROJAN is.
 

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Who cares about who Leftwich and Palmer faces. It dont matter. Did it matter when Rich Gannon was at Delaware? Pennington at Marshall? Fiedler at Martmouth? No it doesnt. Leftwich is big, strong, smart, and loves adversity. Hell I hope Palmer does get picked first so he can be a Bungal. And your right, I dont follow PAC-10 that much....but I sure do watch every PAC-10 game thats on DirecTV.....and there`s alot of them. So Ive seen him over the years. Hell I remember when Sultan McCullough came to USC, he was suppose to be this great great RB...talk about a flop.

If you honestly think Palmer is the #1 player or even QB for that matter....then maybe you should take a class on QB mechanics. Doesnt matter what league you play in....its how good you are.
 

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Pac 10 is one of the toughest conferences in the nation, and all the numbers Leftwitch has is against inferior competition.

Inferior? Here we go again...another one of the inferior debates. So that means Jerry Rice, Rod Smith, Moss, Terrell Owens - they must suck considering they went to "inferior" schools.

By the way...Pac-10 is NOT the toughest conference...not by a long shot. The Pac-10 plays NO defense....thats why you see all these 50-42 scores. Big 12 followed by the SEC....Big 12 hands down as the toughest conference. Hell Kansas St beat USC...
 

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Leftwitch and Palmer are both talented QB's. But who would you choose? Leftwitch who has put up great numbers against bad competition or Palmer who put up great numbers against the BEST competition????? By the way, Palmer is projected to be the first QB drafted and maybe overall number 1 pick. Leftwitch may be good, but how do we know how good he will be against good competition. I rather take a player anyday who faced the best and proven himself. My opinion of course.

What conference is better than the pac 10??? USC and Washington St. are both in the BCS games and USC is prob. the best team in the nation right now. Too bad other teams are afraid to play a schedule like USC. Big 12 best conference? Why did OU want to cancel playing FRESNO ST. and UCLA??? Because they said they only want 1 tough OOC game. USC has an opening spot in 2004 and 2005 and contacted Miami to play them and Miami declined. I wonder why? If you look at strength of OOC games, Pac 10 plays the hardest OOC schedule by far. Only 1 pac 10 team is an underdog and that is Arizona St. for all bowl games. From top to bottom, pac 10 is the toughest conference. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT!

USC beat 2nd place Big 12 team @ CO 40-3
KSU beat USC at KSU but did you factor in USC dropping over 10 passes and missing extra point that went for 2pts for KSU and USC missing an easy field goal as well? No excuses, KSU beat us, but USC also beat themselves and that was early in year too. Back to Back away games with CO and KSU. Pretty darn tough!
You say the pac 10 is not tough because of high scores??? Did you factor in great offenses? What about last year when Oregon played #1 Big 12 team and crushed them? USC beating #2 Big 12 team 40-3? Give me a break.

You said Pac 10 has bad defenses. I tend to disagree and here is why. I posted this on another discussion but here you go.

I disagree with your comment about the pac 10 D being poor. You cannot compare defensive stats to other conferences. WHY??? Well here is why. Defenses in the Big 12 and Big 10 will have pretty good Defensive Pass Stats and rankings. WHY? Well teams in those two conferences are more run oriented teams and don't have great caliber QB's.

Pac 10 teams love to throw the ball and have excellent QB's in the pac 10. So if your facing high powered octane offenses, of course defensive stats in the pac 10 will be misleading. For example, Arizona State got creamed against Nebraska but they hve excellent stats saying their DB's did great job because nebraska is run oriented offense. Many other examples as well. If you face great QB's and great offenses and great offensive minded coaches, of course their will be high scoring games. Thats a no brainer. But does that mean they don't play defense in the pac 10???? Get real.

Look at the top QB's in the pac 10.

Palmer - awesome
Gessar- awesome
Boler- very good
Walter- very good (and will be awesome next year)
Picket- pretty good (look at his stats)
Fife- Good Qb (will be very good next year)
OSU QB- good (will be very good next year)

Most of these QB's could start on most teams in the country. Disagree????

So defenses facing these teams will be scored upon. Look at the NFL Rams last year they scored ton of pts even against great defenses. Look at Kansas City this year. So maybe the pac 10 defenses are good but just facing even better offenses. So of course their will be high scoring games and look at the national awards for defensive players. Pac 10 has their share of them!

Why is Banks most deserving? He played in Big 10 (down year for conference) and did not even face the other top team in conference. His toughest OOC game was IOWA ST. and guess what, they lost. Behing Palmer, he the the most deserving because he put Iowa on map and easily is their MVP. But lets see how well he does against a good/great defense for USC! Can't wait, and my money is on PALMER to outshine Banks!

LJ was held under 70 yard against the 3 toughest opponents. ENOUGH SAID!

Dorsey- If Heismon took into account lifetime achievments then he gets it, otherwise he be lucky to finish 3rd.

Magehee- awesome RB but he is also running behing the BEST offensive line in the nation. That helps quite a bit.

Palmer- Best stats of all contenders, played against the toughest schedule in the nation and performed to highest level against his 2 back to back rivalry games! He shredded the highly touted ND defense and has been class act his whole career!

Easy choice for me, give it to the guy who has put up the best stats, and earned those stats facing the toughest schedule POSSIBLE! No other contenders could say that.

Palmer "easily" is the most deserving, and if you disagree, please tell me why and who deserves it.

Oh yeah, i bet $900 on Palmer winning the Heismon at 3-1 odds!!!
 

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Washington St. is underdog too, my bad, but that is only because of the health if Gessar in my opinion. AND i think Gessare is #2 QB in nation behind Palmer. I will wager WSU ML if Gessar will be healthy. Hopefully he will.
 

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I`ll end this on a good note...

Leftwich has done great against tough teams. Florida did well...Michigan St back in 200...UNC back in 2000(well they arent great...)If you watched the Va Tech game, he did good....and no they werent junk yards.

Also, every Marshall player that I can think of that was touted to be realllly good in the NFL - has been reallly good in the NFL. The only person that I can think was a flop was Doug Chapman. Leftwich is just to good IMO. Ive never in my life seen an arm like his....

Good Luck with your Hiesman bet...
 

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If I had a vote in the Heisman race it would be Willis McGahee....I think all 6 of these guys had great years and will make millions in the NFL.........

yds td's Ypc
McGahee 1689 27 6.5
Johnson 2015 20 8.0


McGahee is amazing...combines strength and a 4.3 speed...best player Ive ever seen play live....well make that a tie with Michael Vick.....
Johnson....where did this guy come from...he will be a top 5 pick next year

yds td's int rating
Leftwich 4019 26 9 159.8
Palmer 3639 32 10 148.3
Dorsey 3073 26 10 148.0
Banks 2369 25 4 166.1


Leftwich had big numbers against weak defenses but he is the real deal....
Palmer played against some of the best teams in the country and produce bigtime
Dorsey is the best COLLEGE quarterback of the bunch...all he does is WIN!!!!!
Banks had a great year and is the best athlete of these Qb's but just doesnt deserve best player of the year...

This is the best group of talent that Ive seen since McNabb,Couch,Ed James,Ricky Williams,Culpepper in 98...
 

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Have you seen the O-Line Magahee runs behind? How do you think Dorsey is so productive. I can tell you it aint because Dorsey is sooooo talented. The key to Miami success is their O-Line. A running back is worthless without a line opening holes. I think Magehee is great running back but look at the holes he gets. Then go watch USC play or Oklahoma play. Both Fargas and Griffen have average lines and still do a great job. I bet Fargas and Griffen EASILY would put same numbers Magahee puts up behind that Miami O-Line. Add to the fact Miami is very balanced and defenses cannot stack 8 in the box. Helps Magahee a lot.

Miami O-Line dominated a game and that is how you win national championships. I wish USC had a line like Miami. We soon will because we are recruiting big men like crazy. Look how larry johnsin didn't put up great numbers against great teams? It might be because his line did not open the big holes like he got when playing northwestern and Indiana.

No way Magahee is best running back you seen. Unless your 12 years old. Just take a look at all the running backs USC used to have. How about OJ Simpson, Ran a 4.3 40-yard dash in an era where 4.5 was the standard for a "speedster"

Of course, 4.3 is STILL plenty fast even today, but you'll rarely find that kind of speed in a player that was as big as he was, at 6-2 and 205 ,as I believe his playing weight was at USC.

If he were a player today, he'd probably be bulked up to 215 or 220 and still as fast.

I seem to remember in the book I read about him that when he was listed at 4.3 in the 40, most people didn't believe it. In the "comments" section of a pro scouting report, where normally you see things like "is fast but a bit on the small side," or "nice blocker, but needs to work on receiving ability" - the comments on Simpson said simply, "THE GREATEST!"

More recent RB i would take Ricky Williams!
 

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Take it easy Scott....Its my opinion...thats what this forum is about....I feel your love for USC so relax.....I said Palmer had a great year and for that fact...so has USC...but I believe McGahee is the best player this year....I never compared him to great backs like Ricky Williams or OJ "double murder" Simpson...they were awesome in their college years....I said he was the best TALENT I have seen live besides Michael Vick......and No Im not 12 yrs old but your reply leaves me wondering how old you are???????Ive been a Tennessee season ticket holder for 16yrs and Ive seen many great running backs and this guy is right up there with them.....Go Trojans:D
 

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TIME..... I think you could put Favre on Baylor this year and he would have struggled....:D but Dorsey is 35-1 as a starter and it hard to argue that....and NO...I dont think he is the best NFL QB but might be the best college QB....I think Leftwich will be awesome in the pros and Palmer but I dont see Banks doing much...maybe becoming another Randle EL....
 

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Jhpga said:
No Im not 12 yrs old but your reply leaves me wondering how old you are???????Ive been a Tennessee season ticket holder for 16yrs


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