nc st and ND are a lot better than UCLA or Stanford...even last year, stanfords undefeated run was a biproduct of their soft schedule out west and it showed in the tourney
Best shooter in the country...part 63
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At the beginning of the year I felt that McNamara was the best pure shooter around, but at this point I would have to say that Redick is the best PURE shooter and Salim is second with McNamara a distant third. At the college level if I needed one shot to win the game at this point I would choose Redick, but of the three Salim has the best shot at actually doing something in the NBA.
As far as how many teams get in from the PAC 10, I would have to say that as long as UCLA doesnt really stumble they should get in they have an outstanding RPI and their strength of schedule is top 25.The Bruins should close out the season with at least a 3-1 run to insure their spot. Stanford is a different story, while their RPI as a whole is decent their record is misleading as over 60% of their wins have come against teams ranked below 100 in the RPI poll. Also, their non-conf strength of schedule as a whole ranks 136th which is in the bottom 20% of all basketball. If Stanford gets swept this week on the Oreg turn of their schedule then they are going to have to win both home games the following week against the Washington schools, if they go 1-3 the rest of the way they will ahve to make it to league title game or they will be NIT bound. ASU has a brutal RPI and will more than likely have to win the league tourny to get into the dance. The rest of the legue teams need miracles to get in at this point. At this point I have UCLA and Stanford as number nine seeds so they are borderline at this point.
As far as how many teams get in from the PAC 10, I would have to say that as long as UCLA doesnt really stumble they should get in they have an outstanding RPI and their strength of schedule is top 25.The Bruins should close out the season with at least a 3-1 run to insure their spot. Stanford is a different story, while their RPI as a whole is decent their record is misleading as over 60% of their wins have come against teams ranked below 100 in the RPI poll. Also, their non-conf strength of schedule as a whole ranks 136th which is in the bottom 20% of all basketball. If Stanford gets swept this week on the Oreg turn of their schedule then they are going to have to win both home games the following week against the Washington schools, if they go 1-3 the rest of the way they will ahve to make it to league title game or they will be NIT bound. ASU has a brutal RPI and will more than likely have to win the league tourny to get into the dance. The rest of the legue teams need miracles to get in at this point. At this point I have UCLA and Stanford as number nine seeds so they are borderline at this point.
Stanford is 35 and UCLA 38. That puts them in a group with Akron, La-La, St Marys, Holy Cross, Wichita State. It is already pretty clear that the new RPI formula is a joke. There is no telling how much weight it will be given this year. This year may actually see some surprises in the field as a result. And the seedings could be real interesting - Vermont is a top 20 RPI but they arent going to even be a single digit seed.
you guys keep proving the point of east coast bias
"i've never seen salim play but i'd take jj as the best shooter"........
i'll take 56% 3 point pct
over 41 % all day long
it's like saying joe blow is a better gambler than billy blah because even though joe only hits at a 41% clip, we see his bets all the time and they are tough losses....as opposed to billy blah 56% record.
the stats dont lie!
or as digger phelps says "i'd say redick is the best shooter because when he misses, he knows it's time to make the next one"
HUH?
so you'd rather have the guy who misses more because he knows he has to make the next one....ever the guy who makes the first one more often....no wonder you're a studio "analyst" and not a coach.
"i've never seen salim play but i'd take jj as the best shooter"........
i'll take 56% 3 point pct
over 41 % all day long
it's like saying joe blow is a better gambler than billy blah because even though joe only hits at a 41% clip, we see his bets all the time and they are tough losses....as opposed to billy blah 56% record.
the stats dont lie!
or as digger phelps says "i'd say redick is the best shooter because when he misses, he knows it's time to make the next one"
HUH?
so you'd rather have the guy who misses more because he knows he has to make the next one....ever the guy who makes the first one more often....no wonder you're a studio "analyst" and not a coach.
have seen both play numerous times.
would rather have redick on my team and think hes a better player.
but stoudamire is a damn good player too.
as for the comment about digger phelps "no wonder youre a studio analyst and not a coach".
me thinks he's got acceptable credentials to be speaking about basketball from a coaching perspective.
would rather have redick on my team and think hes a better player.
but stoudamire is a damn good player too.
as for the comment about digger phelps "no wonder youre a studio analyst and not a coach".
me thinks he's got acceptable credentials to be speaking about basketball from a coaching perspective.
incidentally, i think even the stoudamire faithful have to admit it was funny how salim dropped 33 in the afternoon game.... then all the posts about how he's better than redick ... and then jj drops 38 on wake in a huge game.
credit to both players. stoudamire was awesome on sunday. redick was better.
again, two damn good players
credit to both players. stoudamire was awesome on sunday. redick was better.
again, two damn good players
and salim played about 25 mins yesterday while redick played about 38 and shot 15 ft with the foul fest at the end, while salim shot 2...and salim STILL had a better shooting %....redick the game of his season (shooting % wise) while salim shot barely above his average.
perception (while wrong) has led to reality and that is that redick is the best shooter in the country.....again he's about 100th (that's ONE HUNDRETH) in 3 pt % in the ncaa and 300 + (that's THREE HUNDRETH) amongst guards in overall shooting % in ncaa.
with those stats, if his name wasn't redick and he didn't play for duke.....nobody would EVER talk about him.
it's amazing that people STILL talk this guy up as the best.
is he a good shooter?
yes
is he having a poor year?
slightly compared to his career stats
is he the best in the country?
not even close
as for digger phelps, i actually like the guy, but some of the statements that come out of his mouth are a joke.
perception (while wrong) has led to reality and that is that redick is the best shooter in the country.....again he's about 100th (that's ONE HUNDRETH) in 3 pt % in the ncaa and 300 + (that's THREE HUNDRETH) amongst guards in overall shooting % in ncaa.
with those stats, if his name wasn't redick and he didn't play for duke.....nobody would EVER talk about him.
it's amazing that people STILL talk this guy up as the best.
is he a good shooter?
yes
is he having a poor year?
slightly compared to his career stats
is he the best in the country?
not even close
as for digger phelps, i actually like the guy, but some of the statements that come out of his mouth are a joke.
No kidding. . . Reddick was better than Stoudamire on Sunday Gman? Are you serious? Take a look closer at the stats including percentages. . . not to mention the fact that Stoudamire only played half of the second half and 29 minutes the entire game. Reddick played all 40!
Also, we have been talking up Stoudamire for several weeks now over Reddick. . .not just Sunday when he was even better than normal for him.
LOL, too funny how many clearly underestimate what Stoudamire has done this season and overestimate what Reddick has done. Also, we keep hearing about Arizona's soft schedule. . . please. . . Reddick wasn't shooting ANY better when Duke played their non-conference games.
IT'S CERTAINLY NOT AN EXCUSE!
My overall take: Reddick takes too many shots including bad shots that people just don't look at that close when they watch his games. Stoudamire USED to be that way. Watch him play now. . . he shares the ball all the time and rarely takes bad shots which explains why his shooting percentages are so much better than Reddick's. Right now Stoudamire leads his team much better than Reddick leads Duke. . . probably why Arizona is up to #8 in the country and rising.
Also, we have been talking up Stoudamire for several weeks now over Reddick. . .not just Sunday when he was even better than normal for him.
LOL, too funny how many clearly underestimate what Stoudamire has done this season and overestimate what Reddick has done. Also, we keep hearing about Arizona's soft schedule. . . please. . . Reddick wasn't shooting ANY better when Duke played their non-conference games.
IT'S CERTAINLY NOT AN EXCUSE!
My overall take: Reddick takes too many shots including bad shots that people just don't look at that close when they watch his games. Stoudamire USED to be that way. Watch him play now. . . he shares the ball all the time and rarely takes bad shots which explains why his shooting percentages are so much better than Reddick's. Right now Stoudamire leads his team much better than Reddick leads Duke. . . probably why Arizona is up to #8 in the country and rising.
JACK PLEASE MOVE THIS TO A DIFFERENT SECTION . I"M TIRED OF GUYS that ARGUE OVER THese Two PLAYERS . ITS BEEN A WEEK. i'm getting real tired of seeing it . :cursin:
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take off the arizona goggles. stoudamire had a great game. redick did him one better in a much bigger game.
what ill never understand is how sensitive west coast fans are.
i never said stoudamire didnt play well. i never said hes not a great player.
but redick hit bigger shots at bigger times in a bigger game.
and this is coming from someone who hates duke.
agree with arrow though. this topic is old news.
take off the arizona goggles. stoudamire had a great game. redick did him one better in a much bigger game.
what ill never understand is how sensitive west coast fans are.
i never said stoudamire didnt play well. i never said hes not a great player.
but redick hit bigger shots at bigger times in a bigger game.
and this is coming from someone who hates duke.
agree with arrow though. this topic is old news.
here's to the tough defense in the ACC theme trumped by dookie v: non conf 3 point % for the greatest shooter of all time
Tenn-Martin: 4-12
Davidson: 1-6
UNC-Green: 2-7
Valpo: 3-5
Toledo: 2-6
Ill- Chicago: 5-12
Princeton: 1-3
Temple: 5-8
Overall: 23-59 (39%)
Tenn-Martin: 4-12
Davidson: 1-6
UNC-Green: 2-7
Valpo: 3-5
Toledo: 2-6
Ill- Chicago: 5-12
Princeton: 1-3
Temple: 5-8
Overall: 23-59 (39%)
actually, if anything the anti-duke bias on this board is pretty damn funny. next thing im gonna hear is that christian laettner isnt one of the best college players ever or that coach k isnt one of the top coaches ever.
this thread will certainly make its way to the general discussion forum, and for good reason.
i know its 'chic' to hate duke, but for godsakes give credit where its due.
stoudamire had an incredible game in the afternoon.
and redick matched him and scored 38 at night in the biggest game of the day.
why not just give both guys credit?
this thread will certainly make its way to the general discussion forum, and for good reason.
i know its 'chic' to hate duke, but for godsakes give credit where its due.
stoudamire had an incredible game in the afternoon.
and redick matched him and scored 38 at night in the biggest game of the day.
why not just give both guys credit?
Excellent analysis gjn23. Its def. east coast bias. Facts "usually" are not enough for the delusional.
Both are great players but Salim is the better shooter AND by a wide margin.
Both are great players but Salim is the better shooter AND by a wide margin.
scott...exactly.....they argue about west coasters being soft and not into sports...then when you call them on a ridiculous and baseless opinion that's treated as fact they call us whiners. can't win for losing. (all the same points go for college football....nobody on the west coast plays defense, teams are soft, blah..blah..blah)
what? salim shoots 56% and jj shoots 41%.....hmm, well JJ still is the better shooter.
what? salim shoots 56% and jj shoots 41%.....hmm, well JJ still is the better shooter.
i think the zona heat may have gotten to you. i am the biggest duke fan on this board and please find where i ever said redick was better. i have heard of penis envy but what is this-duke envy? let's let this drop and just root for your team. maybe a pac ten team will make it to the sweet sixteen this year. and then again we know what usually happens to lute in march.
again....more facts that are completely wrong.
Tell me what happens in March to Lute?
in the last 11 years:
1 title
2 title games
3 final fours
5 elite 8 appearances
7 sweet 16 appearances
26-11 record
I can't believe the guy still has a job.
Tell me what happens in March to Lute?
in the last 11 years:
1 title
2 title games
3 final fours
5 elite 8 appearances
7 sweet 16 appearances
26-11 record
I can't believe the guy still has a job.
Doesn't he have a high turnover rate of players leaving early to NBA? I am guessing maybe one of the highest in the NCAA. Makes his record even more impressive.
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