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DOGS THAT BARK · Sep 18, 2009

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[/SIZE][/FONT]</CENTER><CENTER>Translation</CENTER><CENTER>Gumby sold us to the Russians</CENTER><CENTER></CENTER><CENTER><CITE class=vcard>By VANESSA GERA, Associated Press Writer Vanessa Gera, Associated Press Writer </CITE>? <ABBR class=recenttimedate title=2009-09-18T05:10:04-0700>38 mins ago</ABBR>
WARSAW, Poland ? Poles and Czechs voiced deep concern Friday at President Barack Obama's decision to scrap a Bush-era missile defense shield planned for their countries.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090918/ap_on_re_eu/eu_eastern_europe_missile_defense_22

Times Online
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September 17, 2009

Dismay in Europe as Obama ditches missile defence

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6838058.ece

Russia's Putin says U.S. shield decision positive

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<SCRIPT>var csvSymbolIds = "";var quoteLink = "";</SCRIPT>SOCHI, Russia (Reuters) RussianPrime Minister Vladimir Putin said on Friday a decision by the United States to scrap plans for a missile defense shield in Europe was positive.
Putin, speaking to investors in the Black Sea resort of Sochi, said he now expected the United States to back a bid by Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan to join the World Trade Organisation.
"I expect that after this correct and brave decision, others will follow, including the complete removal of all restrictions on the transfer of high technology to Russia and activity to widen the membership of the World Trade Organisation to (include) Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus," Putin said.
(Reporting by Toni Vorobyova and Gleb Bryanski, editing by Guy Faulconbridge)
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kcwolf · Sep 18, 2009

I thought you were above this DTB. Guess you haven't been keeping up on the story and hate our military.

You really should be ashamed of this post.

Typical flipflopping by Drudge/rebs.

RAYMOND · Sep 18, 2009

OBAMA BACK DOWN TO THE RUSSIAN:nono:

NO BALLS OBAMA:thefinger

kcwolf · Sep 18, 2009

Read this Raymond, no backing down to Russia. We will have more updated missles in less time pointing at Russia or anyone else. You are extremely misguided. The following report is from our wonderful military:

European Missile Plan Offers Better Defense, Gates Says
By Fred W. Baker III
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, Sept. 17, 2009 ? Changing threats and emerging technologies drove the decision to restructure the European missile defense plan, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said today.

Marine Gen. James E. Cartwright, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, right, and Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates answer questions from reporters during a press briefing at the Pentagon, Sept. 17, 2009. DoD photo by U.S. Navy Petty Officer 1st Class Molly A. Burgess
(Click photo for screen-resolution image);high-resolution image available.

?I believe this new approach provides a better missile defense capability for our forces in Europe, for our European allies and eventually for our homeland than the program I recommended almost three years ago,? Gates said in a briefing at the Pentagon. ?It is more adapted to the threat we see developing and takes advantage of new technical capabilities available to us today.?

In December 2006, Gates recommended to then-President George W. Bush that the United States should put advanced radars in the Czech Republic and 10 ground-based interceptors in Poland.

That was when intelligence officials gauged the development of Iran?s intercontinental ballistic missile as the foremost threat to the United States and its allies.

Now, intelligence reports paint a different picture ? that the country is moving faster to develop its shorter-range missiles.

Gates responded by recommending to President Barack Obama that the United States now begin phasing in a missile defense system that puts radars and missiles in place sooner that are more suited to protect against the current threat. Plans are then to continue building on the system to increase its range of defense capabilities.

The president today announced his support of the plan.

?This new approach will provide capabilities sooner, build on proven systems, and offer greater defenses against the threat of missile attack than the 2007 European missile defense program,? Obama said today.

Driving the initial phase of the new plan is deploying the Navy?s Aegis weapons-system-equipped ships to the region by 2011. These are equipped with the Standard Missile 3 interceptor, which has had several successful tests in the past two years. They will be supported by some forward-position Army radar systems.

This will give the military a smaller range of detection and protection, but is enough initially to protect U.S. troops and allies against Iran?s shorter range missiles.

?We can now field initial elements of the system to protect our forces in Europe and our allies roughly six to seven years earlier than the previous plan,? Gates said.

As the SM-3 is improved, defense officials will look for positions in Europe to put them on the ground. Talks already are under way with both Poland and the Czech Republic, Gates said.

Additional sensors and more interceptors will be added and by 2020 the system will grow to cover all of Europe and have the capability to knock down multiple targets. It also will give the military the flexibility to move some of its assets to different fronts to combat new threats, Gates said.

?This gives us at least some capability early on and then an increasingly enhanced capability through this entire period,? Gates said.

Flexibility is key to the plan, officials said. Originally, the plan centered on the idea of defending against three to five missiles fired from a single rogue nation. Now they believe the United States could have to defend against several missiles simultaneously.

This makes the SM-3 ideal for the job as it is more deployable and cheaper for the military to use against such threats. One Aegis ship can carry about 100 of the interceptors. Also, SM-3s cost about $10 million each, as opposed to a ground-based interceptor -- like those now on standby in Alaska and California -- that top out at about $70 million.

Another feature of the new system is that other countries can combine their radars and interceptors with the United States to increase its range. Many countries already use the Aegis system, and the Japanese already have promised $1 billion toward the development of the improved SM-3, officials said.

?This is a significant opportunity to work in a global construct to both field and fund and maintain this capability in a way that we had not been able to do in the past,? said Marine Corps Gen. James E. Cartwright, the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, also at today?s briefing. ?We are looking at other partners, both in the sensor and the weapons side, because it does not have to be just American weapons and just American sensors.?

RAYMOND · Sep 18, 2009

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSLH51098820090917]

Senator John McCain, the Republican presidential candidate who lost to Obama in 2008, blasted the move as "seriously misguided" and former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton, a leading Bush-era hawk, was scathing.

"It's just unambiguously a bad decision," Bolton said. "Russia and Iran are the big winners. I just think it's a bad day for American national security."

kcwolf · Sep 18, 2009

Can't help you with Bolton and McCain. Bolton, I think we all know how credible he is and McCain was originally against the long range missle program, a flipflop.

Have you even read the Military article above and not agree with it? If not, explain what you don't agree with.

rusty · Sep 18, 2009

One thing I dont understand.Why doesnt he deal with Iran directly ?He needs to grow a pair and tackle these issues.This is all about Iran.

gardenweasel · Sep 18, 2009

nice of bock to "not notify" the poles and the czechs that our agreement with our "allies" no longer stands....

the fact that russia and iran applaud this decision while our allies are "dumbfounded" and "blindsided" by it is all you need to know about this boner....

those who stuck their necks out for us in iraq and afghanistan are left holding a burning bag of shit...

why would any of them ever trust us again?...

moronic... and dangerous......

Jabberwocky · Sep 18, 2009

gardenweasel said:
moronic... and dangerous......

Yes you are, and no, you are not.

gardenweasel · Sep 18, 2009

Jabberwocky said:
Yes you are, and no, you are not.

thanks for another "crack"(on crack) post,genius....

this is another shrewd move by obama...by using the ship based weapon you remove the defense system from any control by the host country..... that allows an administration(particularly one that loves stabbing allies in the back) for political reasons to decide not to defend...

the czech's have very unpleasant living memories of such an action. ....they know that with obama in the wh,and no missile defense system on their soil,that any administration can choose to do nothing...

these "no longer" host countries that have spent political capital internally and externally(not to mention their own blood) to support us and now this?....

"officially" this is to protect against iran, but make no mistake, it`s about russia..

rusty · Sep 18, 2009

gardenweasel said:
thanks for another "crack"(on crack) post,genius....

this is another shrewd move by obama...by using the ship based weapon you remove the defense system from any control by the host country..... that allows an administration(particularly one that loves stabbing allies in the back) for political reasons to decide not to defend...

the czech's have very unpleasant living memories of such an action. ....they know that with obama in the wh,and no missile defense system on their soil,that any administration can choose to do nothing...

these "no longer" host countries that have spent political capital internally and externally(not to mention their own blood) to support us and now this?....

"officially" this is to protect against iran, but make no mistake, it`s about russia..

I agree Wease,I stated that its about Iran meaning that O will use Russia for leverage in the Iran dispute on building nuclear weapons.

kcwolf · Sep 18, 2009

GW

Obama did notify both countries. Its in about every news article I have read. As the new plan states, both of these and other countries will be protected sooner, cheaper, and better.

Can't we all applaud this decision? It's great news. And btw, Obama and the Defense Department have to be pleased that Russia likes it, as they don't seam to realize hundreds of missles will be pointed at them sooner than the 8 originally proposed at half the cost.

Our miulitary devised this plan, Obama only approved it. But lets drag Obama through more things that have no factual basis.

Trampled Underfoot · Sep 18, 2009

kcwolf said:
GW

Obama did notify both countries. Its in about every news article I have read. As the new plan states, both of these and other countries will be protected sooner, cheaper, and better.

Can't we all applaud this decision? It's great news. And btw, Obama and the Defense Department have to be pleased that Russia likes it, as they don't seam to realize hundreds of missles will be pointed at them sooner than the 8 originally proposed at half the cost.

Our miulitary devised this plan, Obama only approved it. But lets drag Obama through more things that have no factual basis.

They all bring it up because they all get their news from the same source. There really is no thinking involved here. DTB pasted this from Drudge. Its an automatic reaction. Once its on Drudge/Limbaugh/Beck its on this board. Like clockwork.

kcwolf · Sep 18, 2009

rusty said:
One thing I dont understand.Why doesnt he deal with Iran directly ?He needs to grow a pair and tackle these issues.This is all about Iran.

Now you want Obama to deal directly with Iran. He has and severly criticized for it.

I could write a whole page on things a disagree with Obama on, this is not one of them. I'm no sheep, but will correct those on this forum who misinform about anything.

RAYMOND · Sep 18, 2009

robert gate is the flip flopper , he was for three years ago now against it

gardenweasel · Sep 18, 2009

kcwolf said:
GW

Obama did notify both countries. .

could you post a link saying just that,k.c?.........much appreciated...

heres a link that begs to differ...zbigniew brezinski,carter`s nat`l security advisor agrees with obama`s action(shocker!)...but not the way it was handled...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-09-18/how-obama-flubbed-his-missile-message/

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0909/Polish_PM_wouldnt_take_US_calls.html

the original deal was brokered between poland, the czechs, and the u.s...

russia had nothing to do with it....you don't renege on deals like this without going through the normal diplomatic channels....the fact that the p.m.`s of poland and the czech republic had to be roused from their sleep after midnight and after we shat on them to capitulate to russia was a big diplomatic slap in the face.....

they had no say in the deal....they weren`t even aware till the deal was done......

yes,the same russia that`s building nuclear power plants for iran and selling weapons( t-72's, ak's, AK factories, bBombers, and bomber training ) to chavez...

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1061938.html

just amazing.....:nooo:

rusty · Sep 18, 2009

kcwolf said:
Now you want Obama to deal directly with Iran. He has and severly criticized for it.

I could write a whole page on things a disagree with Obama on, this is not one of them. I'm no sheep, but will correct those on this forum who misinform about anything.

KC,you dont see the link between calming the storm with Russia on this matter,and Russia maybe,I say maybe because there are no guarentees doing our work of disbanding Irans nuke ambitions. Plain to see IMO.

Trench · Sep 18, 2009

Trampled Underfoot said:
They all bring it up because they all get their news from the same source. There really is no thinking involved here. DTB pasted this from Drudge. Its an automatic reaction. Once its on Drudge/Limbaugh/Beck its on this board. Like clockwork.

Fock! That one's gonna leave a mark Tramp.

Careful though... Ray-Ray will put a Jix on you. :142smilie

rusty · Sep 18, 2009

kcwolf said:
Now you want Obama to deal directly with Iran. He has and severly criticized for it.

I could write a whole page on things a disagree with Obama on, this is not one of them. I'm no sheep, but will correct those on this forum who misinform about anything.

KC,dealing with Iran IMO is not by meetings.
They oppress there own people.I was thinking a little different.

Russia if they do decide to help probably wont matter.I hope it does.Best course of action would be to do a military strike be it Isreal or USA.

JMHO.

Would not be the first time Isreal has done this to keep peace in the region.

Hard Times · Sep 18, 2009

RUSTY

RUSTY

rusty said:
KC,dealing with Iran IMO is not by meetings.
They oppress there own people.I was thinking a little different.

Russia if they do decide to help probably wont matter.I hope it does.Best course of action would be to do a military strike be it Isreal or USA.

JMHO.

Would not be the first time Isreal has done this to keep peace in the region.

IS-REAL, OH WELL !! Israel keeping the peace, that's a stretch of anyones imagination.They will never be peace in that part of the world.
JEWS... What are you going to do with those people... they have this country fighting their wars, they would like us to bomb Iran. Russia and china don't think that's a good ideal,so we want do that,now take a real good look and maybe you will see that nobody wants to start a nuclear war.

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