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I was curious about both these games and really dont know all that much about big 10 ....


Minny/Purdue ... I swore Id never bait on gophers vs semi decent team but maybe here???


Bux and Iowa? is iowa decent, I cant tell? Will OSU bounce back after horrible loss to TX in big game, not sure how they played inspired wise vs SD ST?


any comments appreciated


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Not sure about the virtues of the Hawkeyes, but I can share with you a few observations on the Buck's performance vs. SD State as I was in attendance saturday.

The bucks came out very flat, and were burned for an 80 yard flanker screen on the first play of the game. After that one play the OSU defense was very dominant, and Iowa will be hard pressed to drive the ball against them

The Buckeye offense however leaves much more cause for concern. OSU arguably has as fine a trio of receivers as there are anywhere but Troy Smith was unable to deliver the ball to any of them on any deep patterns all day long, and yes they ran several plays designed to do this. He seemed very reluctant to throw into any coverage at all, thus negating his receivers big play abilities. In my mind the Bucks must spread and beat you with speed because their between the tackles rushing attack is nothing to fear. I don't know if change in QB is again imminent, but the Buck's offense is a bit stagnant to say the least.

Tressel's special teams have not lost a beat with the graduation of Nugent, as Houston has a huge leg, and thats a good thing for OSU as it will be special team play and solid defense that will carry this team once again. The Under looks pretty solid to me.
 

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Gregg-

the question I have is this: Is Purdues run defense as good as it has played or are Arizona and Akron that poor of rushing teams- I am going to say a little of both-

I believe the gophers will move the ball and move the ball well- Cupito is a decent back and we have some big receivers with both breakaway speed and big play ability. MAroney will rush for 125 +. The key to the win will be the defense-

Purdue has played some soft opponents and only have 379 ypg- They are susceptible- I believe that the gophers will be able to pass at will and run with success- I look for us to win by 10-


I will try to go more in depth later- only day off and I am trying to rest a bit today.

I like Wisconsin +3
Minnesota -3
and Ohio state

Jason
 

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Iowa DL is getting pushed back pretty good. Any type of spread offense should excel vs the Hawks.

Iowa offense is not clicking quite yet, Tate has not gotten in many reps as they played 1 very bad team, he got hurt vs ISU, and then they played D1AA UNI. The running game is looking much better with Young at RB, but I wouldn't expect the success to continue vs OSU.

so far this week I'm on:
Wisconsin +3 -- what has Michigan done to deserve to be a road favorite?
Purdue/Minn o/55 -- if Purdue/Arizona can put up 51, I hope these two can put up a few more points.

and also Arizona St -5... small play as I hate road favs but man they have looked good this year.
 

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i'm not a big 10 guru but have an opinion on both games.....

i think the big minn. offensive line will wear down the purdue defense....& will win this game by at least 10 points...

i'm not impressed with the osu offense...it doesn't seem that they have much of a running attack. i also like the iowa qb, their defense, & the coach & think that they keep it within the number or win out right.

but then again i may be wrong...
 

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Bottom line with Iowa...throw out the Iowa St. game and hope that some of the hype about this team was for real. They have talent and the combo of Drew Tate/ Clinton Solomon is due to break out.

We've seen the last few years that the Hawkeyes can come back strong from devastating losses.
 

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thanx again guys, great info Jason ... and all the rest, too! I kinda like minny but been raped many times by Mason
 

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I have really been following Minny this year and last, and I would definitely want the first half on this one. Very agressive play calling in the first half is what has made Minny such a value this year.
 

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ITB, you are so right minny has been extraordinary cash cow at home in FH of games for first half of year for 3 years, kinda like usc is in 2nd halfs ... Im too lazy to check but not sure gophers have failed to cover in sept at home since 2002
 

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I am a Hawkeye fan and resident of that state-- We have one of the best college coaches in football,we have some oustanding talent on Offense-- Tate,Soloman,Hinkle,we have a nice set of young running backs and we have some great individuals on defense-Hodge,Greenway.

With that said I think this team is REALLY lacking on the lines.I think teams are going to push us around early in the season.We will play better as the year goes on but it is unrealistic to think we can duplicate the last few seasons.

Ohio State is the play--- this Iowa team will wins some games they are not favored in,but this wont be the one.
 

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i have my largest teaser play in years with nc state at 2.5 and the buckeyes at a pick
 

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Wasn't there a thread a couple years back on unranked teams laying points to a ranked team? - I can't get a feel for this one. My gut says Purdue and the points, but Minny's ground game at home?

The one thing I keep coming back to is Minnesota's collapse when they enter the meat of their Big 10 schedule - remember last year when they started 5-0, lost a tough one in Ann Arbor (remember it well b.c I was on Minny) and then proceeded to drop 5 out of their last 6 in conference. Purdue is no Tulsa, Fl Atlantic, or Colorado St
 

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Agree 100% with NOVAKHT. The offensive and defensive lines for the hawkeyes--especially the defensive line are in poor shape so far this season.
The defensive line is a total disaster right now. There are 9 players listed in the two-deeps, which consists of ONE senior, end Mike Follett--a converted Tight End; 3 sophs, 3 redshirt freshman and starting this week, 2 TRUE FRESHMAN in the rotation.

A Ferentz quote from his weekly tuesday news conference.

"What we're talking about on the offensive and defensive lines are 22- and 23- year olds banging up on 18- and 19-year-olds"

I'll be in Columbus for this one and I've already seen Iowa in person twice this year again Ball State and UNI at Kinnick.
Throw Ball State out(that team would lose by 21+ to UNI) and the games against Iowa State and UNI (a 1-AA team) exposed this defensive line badly.

I posted in someone's thread two weeks ago that Iowa State +anything was free money, and it was that easy.
Don't believe Iowa can stay within 10 points of ANY Big-10 team right now and think they get blown out in Columbus.
Good luck if you play this one....

Other Big-10 games that I will most likely be playing...

Minnesota -3.5
Northwestern +8
Illinois +11
Wisky +3
 
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Minnesota's Mason looks to beat Tiller for first time

JON KRAWCZYNSKI

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MINNEAPOLIS - Few teams have given Minnesota coach Glen Mason fits like the Purdue Boilermakers.

Mason is 0-6 in his nine seasons with the Gophers against Purdue and coach Joe Tiller. The only other Big Ten team Mason has yet to beat is Michigan.

But Mason's Gophers will be facing a far different team on Saturday when No. 11 Purdue comes to town.

The Boilermakers (2-0) still run Tiller's famed "basketball on grass" offense, but this year they're also featuring the option, a rarity in Big Ten football. And they also play a little defense.

With mobile quarterback Brandon Kirsch replacing pocket passer Kyle Orton, who has started for the Chicago Bears as a rookie, the Boilermakers have added a new wrinkle that figures to cause headaches for most Big Ten opponents, starting with the Gophers (3-0).

"Once you're not used to seeing the option, not a lot of teams run it in the Big Ten, it can be a problem," Gophers cornerback Trumaine Banks said Tuesday. "If you just have defensive players that make it an issue to get to the ball, you can have some success."

In his typical "aw-shucks" fashion, Tiller downplayed the addition of the option to his wide-open spread offense.

"I don't think what we did last week is an indicator of what we're going to do for the balance of the season," Tiller said. "We will lean a little more heavily on the run than we did when I got here eight years ago. We're still a one-back, spread offense and we spend a lot of time practicing the pass."

Purdue gained 239 yards on the ground and failed to throw a touchdown pass for the first time in 16 games in an impressive 31-24 victory at Arizona last week. Kirsch rushed for 54 yards in the game.

Mason chuckled when told that Tiller didn't understand what all the fuss was about with the option.

"It's easy for him to say that too much was being made of it because he doesn't have to defend it," Mason said. "They're running the option quite a bit and it makes them that much more difficult to prepare for."

Oddsmakers made the Gophers three-point favorites early this week, which came as a surprise to Mason given the Boilermakers' experience on defense and recent success in the Metrodome.

Purdue has won the last three games at the Dome, 59-43 in 1997, 33-28 in 1999 and 35-28 in 2001.

But those teams came into the game looking to simply outscore the opponent, using an unconventional attack that features five wide receivers and is aimed at confusing the defense.

These Boilermakers come in with the No. 1 rushing defense in the nation and a smashmouth attitude.

"I think you can kind of see everything changing from the old Purdue `basketball on grass' style to a style where we're going to pound it, pound it and run some play option things off that," Kirsch said after Purdue's victory over Arizona.

Mason certainly sees it.

"They have been comfortable winning games 55-54," Mason said. "We're better suited to win 10-7."

Which may be why the Gophers have as good a chance to finally defeat Purdue this season as ever before.

If Purdue wants to go toe-to-toe rather than float like a butterfly and sting like a bee, that's fine with the Gophers. They bring one of the top offensive lines and stable of running backs in the nation into Saturday's game, and they love to get physical.

"It happens every year," star running back Laurence Maroney said. "We faced Michigan and they had the No. 1 rushing defense. Then you go against Iowa, they had the No. 1 rush defense, then you go against Alabama, they so-called had the No. 1 rush defense. It's nothing we've never faced. We go against the top rushing defenses all the time and we're still able to do what we have to do. It's just another big challenge for us."
 

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pt1gard said:
ITB, you are so right minny has been extraordinary cash cow at home in FH of games for first half of year for 3 years, kinda like usc is in 2nd halfs ... Im too lazy to check but not sure gophers have failed to cover in sept at home since 2002

Twice:

On September20, 2003. Minny failed to cover a -35 point spread against UL Lafyette by ONE POINT.

On September 28, 2002. Minny failed to cover a +4 spread against PURDUE by 9 points.

BAD NEWS:

Purdue and Minnisota havent played since 2002.

Before that Pudue has won SU and ATS the 6 previous meetings.

Good News:

3 out of the last 4 meetings that have had O / U listed, they have been OVERS.
 

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thanx BLUE, I took Minny FH and teased OH st to va tech ... thanx again for your comments guys, keep them coming

take care
gregg
 
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