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I'm making plays on two games earlier in the week than I generally do because I fear some line movement.

Marshall +10 (@KSU), -105, 105/100
--- Kansas State is a poor football team. I can't wait until they start playing some real competition so I can really start betting against them.
I see some upset possibility in this matchup. I think everyone remembers when Marshall shocked KSU a few years back... And this KSU product is MUCH different from that one.
I like Marshall's offense. I think they will be able to pick up yards through the air and open up the run game against a subpar defense.
I am not sold on Marshall's D, but KSU's offense is nothing special, either. I think Marshall can keep this one within striking distance and possibly pull it out at the end.


Kansas +4 (@Tol.), +100, 100/100
--- I was WAY off on KU last week... and if I am this week as well, I will stay away from them probably for the rest of the season. I generally get very, very good reads on the teams I watch consistantly... my ATS record on KU's bball team last year was almost perfect... which is why it was very disapointing last week to entirely misread that game.
Which brings me here. KU's offense has not played well at all in the first two games... and their defense was torched last week. I think they have patched up their problems on special teams... the big reason why I think they upset Toledo on Friday is the defense. Mangino said that they will be re-instituting Aqib Talib, who, for the uninformed, is by far KU's best defender... he is a cover corner who will probably play in the NFL. Without him the last two weeks they have played a sophomore who had no business in the regular lineup and was torched repeatedly last week. I think he helps solve 75% of the problems I have seen, because he essentially takes away half the field... this will also improve depth in the secondary, which is key.
Toledo is nothing special this year... they surprised ISU and ultimately fell in OT, and then were blasted by a poor Western Michigan team. I like their running back, McDoogle... but I think KU's D has shown they can be OK against the run... their problems have come while defending the pass. I think Mangino will load up and force Toledo to throw into a secondary that is gaining back their best player... I think KU's game film from their first two games will be very deceptive, especially on D where they werent playing with a full deck, and I think they will be able to confuse Toledo.
I also think Mangino tries to establish the run early, and I see Cornish breaking out in this game... I think he goes well over 100 yards. Hopefully, then, the play-action pass starts to work and Meier gets his speedy receivers downfield for a big play or two.
This is the way I see this one going. I could be wrong. Despite the 2-0 start, the campus has started to give up on these guys... already looking forward to basketball season.

Anyhow, I will be back on later this week to add... just wanted to get these out there.
 
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GL with the game Jayhawk,

unfortunately I am leaning the other way on this one, but it is a no play mainly because KU is SO inconsistent on D and Toldeo is innconsistent as well. Just a tough game to cap IMO because it really is a crapshoot as to which KU D will show up. Good info on KU CB though.
 

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Thor, Going to use your thread to post my thoughts on KU game.

KU Alum, but tough to make an argument for the Jayhawks this week. KU is 3-17 SU on the road during the Mangino era and Toledo will come ready for some revenge after getting throttled
63-14 in Lawrence 2 years ago. KU is just 7-11 ATS as a road dog during the Mangino era. Also, I went to the game between Toledo & KU during 2004 and KU was leading 42-0 after 20 minutes. It was unbelievable how good KU looked and how bad Toledo played.

Leaning strongly to 0-2 Toledo against 2-0 Kansas. Rockets are playing their first home game and they are 17-6 ATS their last 23 home games. I think Toledo may have been overlooking Western Michigan. This won't happen in their home opener. KU has been a traditionally poor road team as look at their games @ Texas 66-14, @ Colorado 44-13, and @ Kansas State 12-3 showed last season.

Kansas has been giving up 300 yards passing to Northwestern State and La-Monroe. KU has also given up 18.5 PPG despite playing 2 pathetic teams. I would guess Toledo throws for 350 yards on Kansas with Talib back. Toledo throws a lot of short slip screens and runs a gimmicky offense that can be difficult to stop especially with a weak tackling secondary for KU. Meyer is making his first career road start and he'll definately make some mistakes.
 

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I still think it's a tough game to predict because Toledo is laying more than a FG. However, history shows Toledo plays great at home and Kansas plays terrible on the road.
 

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I'm making plays on two games earlier in the week than I generally do because I fear some line movement.

Marshall +10 (@KSU), -105, 105/100
--- Kansas State is a poor football team. I can't wait until they start playing some real competition so I can really start betting against them.
I see some upset possibility in this matchup. I think everyone remembers when Marshall shocked KSU a few years back... And this KSU product is MUCH different from that one.
I like Marshall's offense. I think they will be able to pick up yards through the air and open up the run game against a subpar defense.
I am not sold on Marshall's D, but KSU's offense is nothing special, either. I think Marshall can keep this one within striking distance and possibly pull it out at the end.


Kansas +4 (@Tol.), +100, 100/100
--- I was WAY off on KU last week... and if I am this week as well, I will stay away from them probably for the rest of the season. I generally get very, very good reads on the teams I watch consistantly... my ATS record on KU's bball team last year was almost perfect... which is why it was very disapointing last week to entirely misread that game.
Which brings me here. KU's offense has not played well at all in the first two games... and their defense was torched last week. I think they have patched up their problems on special teams... the big reason why I think they upset Toledo on Friday is the defense. Mangino said that they will be re-instituting Aqib Talib, who, for the uninformed, is by far KU's best defender... he is a cover corner who will probably play in the NFL. Without him the last two weeks they have played a sophomore who had no business in the regular lineup and was torched repeatedly last week. I think he helps solve 75% of the problems I have seen, because he essentially takes away half the field... this will also improve depth in the secondary, which is key.
Toledo is nothing special this year... they surprised ISU and ultimately fell in OT, and then were blasted by a poor Western Michigan team. I like their running back, McDoogle... but I think KU's D has shown they can be OK against the run... their problems have come while defending the pass. I think Mangino will load up and force Toledo to throw into a secondary that is gaining back their best player... I think KU's game film from their first two games will be very deceptive, especially on D where they werent playing with a full deck, and I think they will be able to confuse Toledo.
I also think Mangino tries to establish the run early, and I see Cornish breaking out in this game... I think he goes well over 100 yards. Hopefully, then, the play-action pass starts to work and Meier gets his speedy receivers downfield for a big play or two.
This is the way I see this one going. I could be wrong. Despite the 2-0 start, the campus has started to give up on these guys... already looking forward to football season.

Anyhow, I will be back on later this week to add... just wanted to get these out there.
Lots of good cappers against you on this KU pick, but have to go with you on this one. gl to you
 
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Thanks guys, I appreciate the comments... Thanks for the stats too, DD.

This game is going to be on National TV, and I assume a lot of people here will be betting on it so that they can watch it... so I feel like I should include more to not only justify my action on it... but help other people make a decision regardless where their money ends up.


I mentioned before the way I think the game plays out...
I didnt address the recent history of this matchup or the woes of KU on the road coupled with the dominance at home of Toledo... and again DD thanks for the #'s...
This is what I think... KU and Toledo are VERY, VERY different teams than they were a couple years ago when they hooked up... So I dont really think the revenge factor will come into to play here. Most players in both lineups werent regulars when that game was played... so I dont pay very much heed to that... aside to say that KU is ALOT more talented now than they were then...
Now... something that does concern me is KU's recent road history... and I did take it into account... Being a part-time writer for the KU newspaper and an everyday reader of the local papers here, I have heard almost everything that Mangino has said over the offseason... the two questions he was asked most were: 1.) How can you improve your record in the Big 12? 2.) How can you win more road games?
Or a variation of those two. He was most emphatic about the road games, saying his early teams werent talented enough and experianced enough to win on the road... but he said each year they have gotten more competitive on the road... and I absolutely agree with him. The numbers dont look great... but the fact is, the last few years our QB's have been atrocious, and their key mistakes at key times have led to a lot of big plays for opposing defenses. It has also led to no points, as you can see the low outputs. I think that is a big thing that has been forgotten. I think Meier is a talented kid that wont put us in a lot of bad spots... and he can manufacture yards in tough situations unlike the collection of Luke, Swanson, Barmann, etc.

My personal feeling is that I am getting a superior talented team with 4 points... and while I recognize the Toledo home field... you have to realize: KU NEVER, EVER plays on national TV. They are going to be geeked to be on TV. They wont get shown up. The last time I watched them on National TV, they blasted Houston in the Fort Worth Bowl.

Anyhow, just my two cents. If any of ya'all really want action on this and have a question, shoot me a message. There arent many diehard KU football fans.
 

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I think the last time i watched KU on national tv other than against Houston was against Texas vs KU in 04. At least im pretty sure that was on National TV cause i was watching it on the west coast.

So point well taken about KU, both those games they were very very good.
 

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Thor they have lots of games on national tv....almost all of the Big 12 Fox games are national. Like the drubbing in Austin late last year. I understand ESPN is thought of differently, but I thought the point worth making.

Bottom line to an outsider is KU is a Jekyll Hyde team. I have won a lot of money on/against them as I sort of have had them figured out. I have no feel for this one. But man it takes some cajones to back them on the road.

I would of course want to know how Fatgino is going to feel that night. How are the restaurants in Toledo? j/k

GL Thor
 

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Sun... I know most of the Big 12 plays on TV a lot.

KU doesn't. Last year, in the regular season, they only had two games on National TV (@Tex., ISU). They of course also played Houston.

I dont have the #'s on 2004... but I believe they only had one game on that season, against Mizzou.

In those 4 games, they were 3-1 ATS...

They are a program that feel they deserve more respect and feel like they can get it by making statements on TV... that was a big theme of the Fort Worth Game and subsequent blowout...
 

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Also, not sure how the restaurants are in Toledo... but he will sure give them some good business... ha ha. The hotel better have their room service staff tripled for that weekend.

Next year at a press conferance I am going to ask him if he has considered gastric bypass... :142smilie

Just kidding... Dont think I'd last long... :sadwave:
 

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hey thor i think nebraska is going to get smoked by 30. any thoughts, may be my biggest wager so far this season. Like the marshall play, will dabble on ku for fun at work.
 

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hey thor i think nebraska is going to get smoked by 30. any thoughts, may be my biggest wager so far this season. Like the marshall play, will dabble on ku for fun at work.
Thinking the same on Nebraska...but don't want to go just on Gut Feeling...any other opinions?
 

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toledo hasnt started a season 0-3 since 1988.
26 years.
theyre not your typical midmajor. lots of pride within this program, especially at the glass bowl where theyve notched wins against a handful of BCS conference teams.
much respect for mangino as a defensive coach, but destructor was right on the money in saying toledo is a difficult team to prepare for. they might right more screens and screen variations than any team in the country.
and this year, they have an added dimension with hopkins at tight end. he has been dominant in the first two weeks. 13 catches for 139 yards against isu. 4 for 100 against wmich. cochran knows where he is on every play. theyre probably the most well balanced team in the mac. kansas is going to have to score to win. as fundamentally sound as they are on defense, youre not going to beat toledo scoring < 20 pts
 

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really don't think nebraska gets beat by 30. if, and it may be a big if, but if nebraska gives taylor time to throw, nebraska will move the ball consistently against the trojan d, and will score 28-30 points.
 

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hey thor i think nebraska is going to get smoked by 30. any thoughts, may be my biggest wager so far this season. Like the marshall play, will dabble on ku for fun at work.

I'm not going to make a play on the USC-Nebraska game... I think it will come down to the second half and if Carroll feels like taking his foot off the petal, to be honest.
I like Nebraska this year... definately the best team in the Big 12 North... but they aren't in USC's stratosphere.
I think all things equal USC would win by 3 TD's or more, but I can't make a play on a game where a a coach gets to decide if they cover or not... and I think that has been the case in most of USC's games in the last 3 years...
Good luck on the play, whichever way you go.
 

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I'm not going to make a play on the USC-Nebraska game... I think it will come down to the second half and if Carroll feels like taking his foot off the petal, to be honest.
I like Nebraska this year... definately the best team in the Big 12 North... but they aren't in USC's stratosphere.
I think all things equal USC would win by 3 TD's or more, but I can't make a play on a game where a a coach gets to decide if they cover or not... and I think that has been the case in most of USC's games in the last 3 years...
Good luck on the play, whichever way you go.


Well, except for one game I can think of off hand.:SIB
 

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Also, wanted to post this for anyone interested... It just goes to show the pressure KU is feeling to perform on the road... and the emphasis that they have put on it... this is a game that Mangino REALLY wants...

This was the front page story of the sports section of the Lawrence Journal World today. I hope that link works.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2006/sep/13/road_victories_elusive_kansas/?football
 
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