i know marino has said numerous times he would trade some of his numbers for a ring:0074
jim kelly comes to mind too
i know marino has said numerous times he would trade some of his numbers for a ring:0074
jim kelly comes to mind too
I get a kick out of most of you....Your talking about Manning only having one ring as does Dilfer...Marino has none...Bragging that Ben has 2.....yeah the QB is important but last time i watched football the special teams, 11 guys on Defense, solid O-line...You know where im going with this. The WHOLE TEAM helps u win tites...I get so sick of people only mentioningwhat QB have how many rings.....Ask anyone of them QB if there the reason they won it all and they will give u a big hell no.....Ben is very good but to say he is BY FAR better than Rodgers is very funny to me and alot of other people.
nobody said ben was better than rodgers, just stating that ben is above average.
go back and look at most of the superbowl winners and with the exception of a few, they all had above average qbs and without them would not have won
Go back and look at Zamo, the first post..he said Ben is BY FAR the best QB left of the 4 remaining...Dont get me wrong itsure is nice to have a solid QB..just saying he dont need tgo be a superstar to win it...![]()
I get a kick out of most of you....Your talking about Manning only having one ring as does Dilfer...Marino has none...Bragging that Ben has 2.....yeah the QB is important but last time i watched football the special teams, 11 guys on Defense, solid O-line...You know where im going with this. The WHOLE TEAM helps u win tites...I get so sick of people only mentioningwhat QB have how many rings.....Ask anyone of them QB if there the reason they won it all and they will give u a big hell no.....Ben is very good but to say he is BY FAR better than Rodgers is very funny to me and alot of other people.
not disagreeing at all. I realize that great teams win superbowls. QB's however for the most part are usually the most important player on those great teams. I know ben inherited a great team his rookie year, and i know with some other team he may not have the rings he does in pittsburgh, but im sayin one thing: DUDE IS ABOVE AVERAGE.
ok hes above average
his defense and running game are what wins games in Pittsburgh. what would he be if his defense was say 25th in total defense?
he doesnt take a lot of sacks because of his size which is a plus, his stats are not like all the other QB's but yes he wins.
I think hes good but i dont see him as an elite QB even if he wins another SB. Just my opinion..
I get a kick out of most of you....Your talking about Manning only having one ring as does Dilfer...Marino has none...Bragging that Ben has 2.....yeah the QB is important but last time i watched football the special teams, 11 guys on Defense, solid O-line...You know where im going with this. The WHOLE TEAM helps u win tites...I get so sick of people only mentioningwhat QB have how many rings.....Ask anyone of them QB if there the reason they won it all and they will give u a big hell no.....Ben is very good but to say he is BY FAR better than Rodgers is very funny to me and alot of other people.
so do you think if Manning, Brady, or even Brees are on the Steelers they would have the same success behind that garbage line??? If you answer to this is yes, then I would like to have some of whatever you are taking, just saying....
This is why I come back to Madjacks during football season, to read the crap like this thread. I've accepted the fact that 99% of non-Steeler fans (especially here) will give all the Steeler success to the defense and running game. That's fine, but to hear anyone call Ben "average" is just stupid talk spewed by either haters or dumb football fans.
3rd and 19 vs Ravens...
3rd and 6 vs Jets...
All huge completions that won playoff games.
Yes he has a great team around him, but the guy makes plays, period. He's a winner that thrives under pressure. Can we say that about Manning, (check his playoffs record) NO. Can we say that about Brady, (Jets slapped him around for 60 mins, hasn't won a playoff game in years. NO. How about Brees, no.
As for the "great" offensive line? Can someone tell me who was sacked the most last year?
I don't think there is a better passer outside the pocket right now. Easily the toughest QB in the league. 28 and headed to his 3rd SB in past 6 years, ya he's average... Carry on. :0corn :0corn
Ben is one of the top quaterbacks in the league. He gets a bad wrap prob from the outside crap that has happened to him. I would take him on my team as the young man is a gamer, period. Two Rings and playing for a third would send him years from now in the hall of fame. Pittsburgs Style of smash mouth offense does not lend it's self to fancy passing records. He is as dangerous as any qb when the game is on the line.:0008
I totally agree he is a gamer..Just have issues with people ripping on Brady and manning)who im not big fans of) If we didnt have Rodgers i wouldnt mind ben on my team. Wouldnt trade Rodgers fro anyone at this moment in everyones career.
Everyone loves Brady and Manning because of all the wonderful passing stats they put up or reg. season wins. When you throw the ball 50 times a game your gonna get big numbers. You can have all those trivial stuff, I'll take rings. Coming up small in the playoffs puts a big dent in the shining knights armor.
You can call me a homer all you want, facts are facts. It's "Mister Homer" to you... :0074
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