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I think this game is a very good one to bet on :

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Philadelphia / Mets Over 8.5 @ -105

I think this line is gonna change a bit.

Here is my reasoning :

1. Both teams are swingin the bat well. I find that in day games
in a place like New York where there is humidity and moisture the pitcher MAY find it hard to control the ball. This can lead to more hits and more runs. I have not exact numbers to this theory but worked today [could be a factor but I think the Philly Bull Pen SUX so much that they are just plain horrible in any kind of weather .. rare talent].

2. Philly Bull pen plainly SUX .. as I observed in one of the articles Nick Douglas has written about betting on baseball he had said that "your objectives are the same as the team's objectives"
well .. as far as I can see the objective of Phill's closers is to make the total go OVER .. so since we share the same objective it satisfies the criteria of good intentions ..

3. Philly in july games : 7-1 in favor of the Over.
Philly in road games : 26 - 16 in favor of the Over.
On the road when total is betn 8 and 8.5 : 14-6 in favor of Over
Vs. Right handed pitcher : 40 - 31 in favor of the Over.
When playing on Sunday Over is 7-7

4. NY Mets do lean towards the Under but in the present series i see the Philly bull pen makin life easy for the Mets bats. No one wanna lose at home on Sunday so I am sure the bats will hit tomorrow in front of home crowd to make up for 2 losses in a row.

5. Mets are 6-1 favoring the Over when they are home favs
and line is -150 to -175
In July games this year Mets are 7-2 favoring the Over.
When playin on Sunday Over is 7-6

6. Philly average 4.5 runs a game.
On the road they average 4.7 runs a game.
Against right handed pitcher they average 4.8 runs a game.

Mets average 4.3 runs a game.
Mets average 4 runs at home.
Mets average 4.5 runs against right handed pitcher.

Coming to both pitchers :

Duckworth does have a low ERA against the Mets .. but Mets bats have started to hit again and I think they will get around 5 runs or so. In 3 starts against the Mets the OVer is 2-1
His Overall ERA is 4.64 with a Whip of 1.404. But on the ROAD his ERA increases to 7.36 with a Whip of 1.879.
He is 6-1 in favor of the Over on the road.


Astacio is 1 - 5 Over / Under at home. But against Philly he has an ERA of 4.68 and a Whip of 1.606
The Over is 5-2 in seven starts .
Astacio as I have said before is 1-5 Over / Under at home this season. Philly's are hittin the ball well and Astacio does not fare well against Philly.

and now the final piece of tomorrow's puzzle :

The Ump Mark Wegner is 12-8 favoring the Over.
Averages around 10.8 runs a game and 6.9 walks a game.
This guy is 2-3 Over/Under last 5 games. But with all the other factors I think thi game has a very good chance of going Over 8.5 runs.

If ya lookin for a pattern his last 5 games have gone :

under - over - under - over - under - ??? [logically it shud be Over]

In his last 5 games the 3 unders are with following :

July 7 : Pittsburg Vs Houston : Both teams have trouble scorin

June 28 : Montreal Vs Toronto : Armas and Halladay pitching. This game cannot go Over whichever Ump is there.

June 20 : Boston Vs San Diego
Martinez Pitchin .. ... enuf said

In 9 games he has been home plate umpire and both pitchers were right handed the Over is 7-2
[one of the Unders was the one in which Hallady was pitchin]

In 9 games he has been home plate Ump in National League games the Over is 7-2

The Over is 1-0 when he was Ump for NL West game.


Taking the Over 8.5 for a substantial amount for myself.
Am not making any other plays at least for now. I have noticed I am making just too many plays for my comfort in last 2 days. So have decided to be very selective and pick my plays very very carefully.

Final Score :
Philadelphia 8 Mets 7

Good luck to all
Cheers !!!
Spock
 
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Consider these two teams went 12 innings today and used a total of 12 pitchers. Pressure on starters to go deep into the game. Over 8.5 looks good again. GL.
 

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YEEESSSSSS!!! Love this play as well.

OVER 8 -125 at carib and vip right now. Very solid points Mayur and I'll add some more reasoning for this play in a bit.

Good luck! :D
 

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I jumped on this awhile ago at Cascade. Its till O8 -120 there. Pinnacle is O8 -121 as well. Best lines I can find right now.
 

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8 is even better but i think 8.5 @ -105 is better. Dont think one run will matter as I see the game going comfortably higher than 11 runs.

Glaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad to see that you like the play also pete. Lookin forward to your reasonings bcoz I must have missed out some data. I could not get %ges for the players Vs the pitchers. I think lots of walks will get us a lot of runs tomorrow. Also saw the HR count high and that could lead to more runs also since it will clear up the bases.

I think the line will move .. They have taken into account Duckworth's low ERA against the Mets and Astacio's home record for the Under a little too much into consideration.

What they should consider is that Mesa and Rivas I think the other guy is bet on the Over every day of July.

[Have said all this if the game ends at 8 tomorrow I will me mad]

Cheers !!!
Spock
 
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NYM at home against RHP, average 4.1 runs a game.

PHI away against RHP, average 5.3 runs per game.


Duckworth (PHI) 9 over, 7 under, and 1 push. 4.65 season ERA. 6.88 ERA in last 3 starts. 7.29 AWAY ERA.

Astacio (NYM) 8 over and 9 under. 3.17 season ERA. 6.28 ERA in last 3 starts. 3.16 HOME ERA.
 

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So Philly on the road averages 0.8 runs more against right handed pitchers than at home.

Mets 0.4 less runs than regular average ..

Works out good so that all 9 innings are played.

Am giving importance of course to last 3 starts by both pitchers. Both pitchers may be in a down cycle.

Thanks for the info billiam ..

Cheers !!!
Spock
 

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Well, to start off then lets look at some of the Phillies averages vs Astacio that go back through the 1998 season:

Bobby Abreu .250
Marlin Anderson .500
Pat Burrell .375
Jeremy Giambi .500
Ricky Ledee .500
Travis Lee .303
Mike Leiberthal .500
Todd Pratt .750
Scott Rolen .308

The Philly players above are hitting a combined .370 off Astacio the past several years and this is over many at bats (37 hits, 100 at bats)

Will add more info in a bit.
 

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thats great info to have. Great that I can always depend on Pete to come up with the numbers :D

Danke Pete.
[Thanx in German .. not spoken that language for around 5-6 years now but used to be very fluent]
 

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No problem Mayur!

Also as Spock has indicated above, Duckworth really tends to struggle on the road. Career ERA 6.50 on the road and this season on the road is 7.29.

So far this season, he's made 7 road starts and gave up a minimum of 4 runs in all but 1 of those starts. True, he pitched well vs the Mets in the 2 starts vs them this season, but both of those starts were when he was pitching at home which leads me to a BIG KEY in this game:

Home Ump is of course Mark Wegner. In case you don't know, Wegner is a big "HOMER" Ump. The Home team is 13-7 this year and if you go back the last 61 games, the home team is 39-22. What does this mean if your playing the over?? Well, usually when you have a HOMER Ump like Wegner, it's the visiting pitcher that will get squeezed as far as the strikezone goes. This does not fair well for Duckworth who lets the unfamiliar surroundings and non-support from fans get to him anyhows as indication of his poor road record. If he starts getting squeezed, there's a good chance he could lose a lot of concentration. If this happens, you could see what happened in a couple of previous road games for him this year, where he walked 6 in a game and 7 in another game. ;)
 

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Always the chance of freebie unearned runs as well in this one.

Mets lead the league in errors at 76.

Also might be some extra runners in scoring postion for the Phillies today. The mets have allowed 87 stolen bases in 113 attempts this year. PIAZZA NUMBERS ARE WORSE THAN THAT. At one point this year, Piazza allowed 51 straight stolen bases :eek: :eek:
 

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Damn,

A great writeup indeed, I asked Spock if he wanted to join my girlfriend and I at the movies tonight, and now I know why he said "NO"


Damn rascal!
:D :) :thefinger
 

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lol sorry bro ..

guess what .. when i made the call I talked to me grandpop .. and it turned out it was his b'day .. and he thought I was calling to wish him .. :D

good coincidence and timing ..

next time .. how was the movie ?

Cheers !!!
Spock
 

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Great minds?

Great minds?

Posted the over on consensus site after I did my "homework" Used many of your facts too.Hope we nail this one. Thanks & GL.
:D :D
 

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Movie was good, but that is a general discussion topic...

In terms of bases, I am going to coat tail you on this play, and yes if it is a winner drinks are on me next time
;)
 

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PHILADELPHIA is 5-1 OVER (+4.0 Units) in road games after 3 or more consecutive overs this season.
The average score was PHILADELPHIA 4.8, OPPONENT 6.7
PHILADELPHIA is 18-7 OVER (+10.8 Units) after 4 or more consecutive overs over the last 3 seasons.
The average score was PHILADELPHIA 4.6, OPPONENT 5.2
PHILADELPHIA is 9-2 OVER (+6.9 Units) in road games after 4 straight games where they stranded 8 or more runners on base since 1997.
The average score was PHILADELPHIA 6.5, OPPONENT 5.3
PHILADELPHIA is 15-5 OVER (+10.1 Units) in road games after 5 or more consecutive overs since 1997.
The average score was PHILADELPHIA 5.4, OPPONENT 5.7
PHILADELPHIA is 15-4 OVER (+10.8 Units) after a game as a road favorite this season.
The average score was PHILADELPHIA 5.2, OPPONENT 5.7
PHILADELPHIA is 16-6 OVER (+9.8 Units) in road games after a game as favorite this season.
The average score was PHILADELPHIA 5.4, OPPONENT 6.0
PHILADELPHIA is 6-1 OVER (+4.8 Units) as a road underdog of +125 to +150 this season.
The average score was PHILADELPHIA 3.7, OPPONENT 6.9
PHILADELPHIA is 8-1 OVER (+7.0 Units) in July games this season.
The average score was PHILADELPHIA 5.4, OPPONENT 6.8
PHILADELPHIA is 8-1 OVER (+7.0 Units) in the second half of the season this season.
The average score was PHILADELPHIA 5.4, OPPONENT 6.8
PHILADELPHIA is 19-7 OVER (+11.0 Units) on the road when the total is 7 to 8.5 this season.
The average score was PHILADELPHIA 5.2, OPPONENT 5.6
PHILADELPHIA is 44-25 OVER (+17.3 Units) on the road when the total is 8 to 8.5 over the last 3 seasons.
The average score was PHILADELPHIA 4.9, OPPONENT 4.9
PHILADELPHIA is 19-7 OVER (+11.0 Units) on the road when the total is 8.5 or less this season.
The average score was PHILADELPHIA 5.2, OPPONENT 5.6
PHILADELPHIA is 23-9 OVER (+13.2 Units) in road games vs. right-handed starters this season.
The average score was PHILADELPHIA 5.3, OPPONENT 6.1
DUCKWORTH is 6-1 OVER (+4.8 Units) in road games in all games this season. (Team's Record)
The average score was DUCKWORTH 4.4, OPPONENT 8.1
DUCKWORTH is 6-1 OVER (+4.8 Units) in games played on a grass field this season. (Team's Record)
The average score was DUCKWORTH 4.4, OPPONENT 8.1
DUCKWORTH is 6-1 OVER (+4.8 Units) in road games this season. (Team's Record)
The average score was DUCKWORTH 4.4, OPPONENT 8.1
DUCKWORTH is 6-1 OVER (+4.8 Units) on the road when the total is 8 to 8.5 over the last 3 seasons. (Team's Record)
The average score was DUCKWORTH 4.6, OPPONENT 6.1
NY METS are 8-2 OVER (+5.6 Units) in July games this season.
The average score was NY METS 6.8, OPPONENT 5.7
NY METS are 8-2 OVER (+5.6 Units) in the second half of the season this season.
The average score was NY METS 6.8, OPPONENT 5.7
 
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