Black vs. White

Padre

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Now , first i do not want this to turn into a racial thread.

I would just like to know if someone has numbers on this type of situation that we have today in sports. All the major spotlight sports (NBA,MLB,NFL)


What is the ratio of white vs. black? Players Only.
I am sick of hearing about black coaches.


Now once we have that in perceptive,

Now how many crimes are committed(convicted and non-convicted) in the said sports?


And finally break down what color gets involved in said sports?


I think you all know where i am taking this.

Basically, this all leads up to the fact that we as a society is giving too much leniency to this players and their money and more importantly their color.

We are too scared to really go after the true "killers" (OJ , Ray Lewis etc)

I mean a man is allowed by a judge to go play in a super bowl , after finding WMD in his house.

I should stop here, it is just every time anything bad is said about the group , no one wants to except that maybe it is the group. The logic holds true.

If A is union to B, and all of B is bad. Well not all of A is bad. But i sure as hell would go with my %s. And assume that A was bad. People it is time to put a stop to the thugs and hoes and bad ass niggas.

And i use that word just as "they" have in their music. Before a black man had to prove that he was equal. Today a black man has to proved guilty.




BTW,, For those that would like to know, my spellchecker highlighted "niggas" and gave me the option to chose "*******".

Great now we have officially implemented that word into our vocabulary.
 

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I am glad that Jack at least has that word on the "do not" use list.


Thank Goodness Jack has some decency.
 

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:mj07: you title the thread "black vs white" and then say you don't want it to become racial.:142smilie
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athletes and celebrities are given breaks across the board. the fact that many athletes are black and get away with shit is purely a result of their status - not race.

in fact everything in this country is based on status. if you focus on black famous people then maybe you'll think it's racial, but i believe it's all about status, fame, money, power. these traits were once only something white people could attain and abuse. now pretty much everyone has that opportunity.

you could focus on oj if you want, but the fact is that no la celebrity has ever been convicted of murder - even though there are many who obviously did it. hopefully phil spector will break that run, but i wouldn't hold my breath.
 

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Yea ur right , just a little too much to drink last night , and reading about all the Imus stuff.

But i think my point was the number off athletes that are black and seem to be getting in trouble with their posse and guns. thats all.

maybe Jack can just send this on to the dump.
 

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Yea ur right , just a little too much to drink last night , and reading about all the Imus stuff.

But i think my point was the number off athletes that are black and seem to be getting in trouble with their posse and guns. thats all.

maybe Jack can just send this on to the dump.

Why did i know you had a little drinky when you posted this Padre. I forgive you.
 

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I heard the other day on some sports radio show that baseball was populated at only 10 or 11% black players, which surprised me. I thought it would be a bit higher. Don't know other numbers, and don't know if that was true or not.
 

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10% are American-born blacks. Many other blacks are obviously in the sport, but from other countries.
 

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Right, Kelly, I was surprised that the number was that low for American-born blacks. Well aware of the Latin and Central American explosion of MLB players.
 

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10% are American-born blacks. Many other blacks are obviously in the sport, but from other countries.

what i have notice thru the years is in about ten to 15 there are not gonna be any black or white players in any of these leagues. The talent level is already dropping. I just saw the worst tournament in my life. Miss layup after miss layup. You go to baseball and half the players have two strikes on them with the very first two pitches. Not sure about other parts of the country but in my area i see open ball field after ball field. You had to wait in line when i was younger. We played all day long but i don't see this anymore. Get use to seeing the Gonzales of the world taking over baseball and the Dirks taking over basketball. The talent level keeps on dropping and the coaching is just brutal. the good part i guess is nobody in the world we be able to touch us in Sony Playstation sports.
 

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It's that low because baseball isn't a "cool" sport in the inner cities. Clearly, basketball is the preferred sport.
 

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NEW YORK - The charisma king of the 2008 presidential field. The world's best golfer. The captain of the New York Yankees. Besides superstardom, Barack Obama (news, bio, voting record), Tiger Woods and Derek Jeter have another common bond: Each is the child of an interracial marriage.

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For most of U.S. history, in most communities, such unions were taboo.

It was only 40 years ago ? on June 12, 1967 ? that the U.S. Supreme Court knocked down a Virginia statute barring whites from marrying nonwhites. The decision also overturned similar bans in 15 other states.

Since that landmark Loving v. Virginia ruling, the number of interracial marriages has soared; for example, black-white marriages increased from 65,000 in 1970 to 422,000 in 2005, according to Census Bureau figures. Factoring in all racial combinations, Stanford University sociologist Michael Rosenfeld calculates that more than 7 percent of America's 59 million married couples in 2005 were interracial, compared to less than 2 percent in 1970.

Coupled with a steady flow of immigrants from all parts of the world, the surge of interracial marriages and multiracial children is producing a 21st century America more diverse than ever, with the potential to become less stratified by race.

"The racial divide in the U.S. is a fundamental divide. ... but when you have the 'other' in your own family, it's hard to think of them as 'other' anymore," Rosenfeld said. "We see a blurring of the old lines, and that has to be a good thing, because the lines were artificial in the first place."

The boundaries were still distinct in 1967, a year when the Sidney Poitier film "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner" ? a comedy built around parents' acceptance of an interracial couple ? was considered groundbreaking. The Supreme Court ruled that Virginia could not criminalize the marriage that Richard Loving, a white, and his black wife, Mildred, entered into nine years earlier in Washington, D.C.

But what once seemed so radical to many Americans is now commonplace.

Many prominent blacks ? including Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, civil rights leader Julian Bond and former U.S. Sen. Carol Moseley Braun ? have married whites. Well-known whites who have married blacks include former Defense Secretary William Cohen and actor Robert DeNiro.

Last year, the Salvation Army installed Israel Gaither as the first black leader of its U.S. operations. He and his wife, Eva, who is white, wed in 1967 ? the first interracial marriage between Salvation Army officers in the United States.

Opinion polls show overwhelming popular support, especially among younger people, for interracial marriage.

That's not to say acceptance has been universal. Interviews with interracial couples from around the country reveal varied challenges, and opposition has lingered in some quarters.

Bob Jones University in South Carolina only dropped its ban on interracial dating in 2000; a year later 40 percent of the voters objected when Alabama became the last state to remove a no-longer-enforceable ban on interracial marriages from its constitution.

Taunts and threats, including cross burnings, still occur sporadically. In Cleveland, two white men were sentenced to prison earlier this year for harassment of an interracial couple that included spreading liquid mercury around their house.

More often, though, the difficulties are more nuanced, such as those faced by Kim and Al Stamps during 13 years as an interracial couple in Jackson, Miss.

Kim, a white woman raised on Cape Cod, met Al, who is black, in 1993 after she came to Jackson's Tougaloo College to study history. Together, they run Cool Al's ? a popular hamburger restaurant ? while raising a 12-year-old son and 10-year-old daughter in the state with the nation's lowest percentage (0.7) of multiracial residents.

The children are homeschooled, Kim said, because Jackson's schools are largely divided along racial lines and might not be comfortable for biracial children. She said their family triggered a wave of "white flight" when they moved into a mostly white neighborhood four years ago ? "People were saying to my kids, 'What are you doing here?'"

"Making friends here has been really, really tough," Kim said. "I'll go five years at a time with no white friends at all."

Yet some of the worst friction has been with her black in-laws. Kim said they accused her of scheming to take over the family business, and there's been virtually no contact for more than a year.

"Everything was race," Kim said. "I was called 'the white devil.'"

Her own parents in Massachusetts have been supportive, Kim said, but she credited her mother with foresight.

"She told me, 'Your life is going to be harder because of this road you've chosen ? it's going to be harder for your kids,'" Kim said. "She was absolutely right."

Al Stamps said he is less sensitive to disapproval than his wife, and tries to be philosophical.

"I'm always cordial," he said. "I'll wait to see how people react to us. If I'm not wanted, I'll move on."

It's been easier, if not always smooth, for other couples.

Major Cox, a black Alabamian, and his white wife, Cincinnati-born Margaret Meier, have lived on the Cox family homestead in Smut Eye, Ala., for more than 20 years, building a large circle of black and white friends while encountering relatively few hassles.

"I don't feel it, I don't see it," said Cox, 66, when asked about racist hostility. "I live a wonderful life as a nonracial person."

Meier says she occasionally detects some expressions of disapproval of their marriage, "but flagrant, in-your-face racism is pretty rare now."

Cox ? an Army veteran and former private detective who now joins his wife in raising quarter horses ? longs for a day when racial lines in America break down.

"We are sitting on a powder keg of racism that's institutionalized in our attitudes, our churches and our culture," he said, "that's going to destroy us if we don't undo it."

In many cases, interracial families embody a mix of nationalities as well as races. Michelle Cadeau, born in Sweden, and her husband, James, born in Haiti, are raising their two sons as Americans in racially diverse West Orange, N.J., while teaching them about all three cultures.

"I think the children of families like ours will be able to make a difference in the world, and do things we weren't able to do," Michelle Cadeau said. "It's really important to put all their cultures together, to be aware of their roots, so they grow up not just as Swedish or Haitian or American, but as global citizens."

Meanwhile, though, there are frustrations ? such as school forms for 5-year-old Justin that provide no option for him to be identified as multiracial.

"I'm aware there are going to be challenges," Michelle said. "There's stuff that's been working for a very long time in this country that is not going to work anymore."

The boom in interracial marriages forced the federal government to change its procedures for the 2000 census, allowing Americans for the first time to identify themselves by more than one racial category.

About 6.8 million described themselves as multiracial ? 2.4 percent of the population ? adding statistical fuel to the ongoing debate over what race really means.

Kerry Ann Rockquemore, professor of African-American studies at the University of Illinois-Chicago, is the daughter of a black father and white mother, and says she is asked almost daily how she identifies herself.

The surge in interracial marriage comes at "a very awkward moment" in America's long struggle with racism, she says.

"We all want deeply and sincerely to be beyond race, to live in a world where race doesn't matter, but we continue to see deep racial disparities," Rockquemore said. "For interracial families, the great challenge is when the kids are going to leave home and face a world that is still very racialized."

The stresses on interracial couples can take a toll. The National Center for Health Statistics says their chances of a breakup within 10 years are 41 percent, compared to 31 percent for a couple of the same race.

In some categories of interracial marriage, there are distinct gender-related trends. More than twice as many black men marry white women as vice versa, and about three-fourths of white-Asian marriages involve white men and Asian women.

C.N. Le, a Vietnamese-American who teaches sociology at the University of Massachusetts, says the pattern has created some friction in Asian-American communities.

"Some of the men view the women marrying whites as sellouts, and a lot of Asian women say, 'Well, we would want to date you more, but a lot of you are sexist or patriarchal,'" said Le, who attributes the friction in part to gender stereotypes of Asians that have been perpetuated by American films and TV shows.

Kelley Kenney, a professor at Kutztown University in Pennsylvania, is among those who have bucked the black-white gender trend. A black woman, she has been married since 1988 to a fellow academic of Irish-Italian descent, and they have jointly offered programs for the American Counseling Association about interracial couples.

Kenney recalled some tense moments in 1993 when, soon after they moved to Kutztown, a harasser shattered their car window and placed chocolate milk cartons on their lawn. "It was very powerful to see how the community rallied around us," she said.

Kenney is well aware that some blacks view interracial marriage as a potential threat to black identity, and she knows her two daughters, now 15 and 11, will face questions on how they identify themselves.

"For older folks in the black community," she said "it's a feeling of not wanting people to forget where they came from."

Yet some black intellectuals embrace the surge in interracial marriages and multiracial families; among them is Harvard law professor Randall Kennedy, who addressed the topic in his latest book, "Interracial Intimacies: Sex, Marriage, Identity, and Adoption."

"Malignant racial biases can and do reside in interracial liaisons," Kennedy wrote. "But against the tragic backdrop of American history, the flowering of multiracial intimacy is a profoundly moving and encouraging development."
 
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