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smurph...are you just playing dumb?....you`re becoming more irritating than chronic anal itch....

the guy asked for an up or down vote...it was blocked....

bolton can`t win senate confirmation.....what`s the point?.....it ain`t happening...

why give the bds crew a forum to bash the adminstration?....

you`re deluded.....disparaging churchill and trying to portray bolton as weak?....

bwaaahaha..

guys like yourself would neuter every man in this country and have us lined up for makeovers on queer eye if they had their way...

bolton was an important symbol of strength....the problem?...most democrats and some republicans have an allergic reaction to displaying american strength.....

no,we don't get respect at the u.n., because we are the most powerful nation on the planet by far and because we are a democracy, while the u.n. is a collection of mostly thugs and tyrants who seek to deflect criticism from themselves by dumping the criticism elsewhere onto democracies(most notably) the u.s.israel,the u.k. and australia.....this might include india soon and maybe flags of india will be burned in protest if the islamists get their way...

get your head on straight....remember what the job entails....the idea isn`t to promote u.n. ideals in the u.s.... but to promote the u.s. agenda at the u.n.....

somebody said,"
"you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy." ...he wasn`t speaking of the u.n....but,the glove definitely fits...
 

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Your boy wasn't up for a little scrutiny and he proved himself to be a whiny spoiled child. I understand your upset about it - I mean he couldn't have everything his way so he let the whole country down. I'm sure we're better off not having someone so afraid to be challenged.

I know you love Churchill and all - I mean you bring him up almost as much as the apocolypse. But you conveniently only remember the timeframe where he was a hero. He made many horrible mistakes prior his golden years. You may want to consider all of his works before making all of these contemporary analogies to him.
 

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while the u.n. is a collection of mostly thugs and tyrants who seek to deflect criticism from themselves by dumping the criticism elsewhere onto democracies(most notably) the u.s.israel,the u.k. and australia

Hmm, I think I'll have to do a head count on this one. Mostly thugs and tyrants?

And, by the way, if you don't think that Bush and Bolten aren't considered tyrants worldwide, I think you are kidding yourself.
 

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Your boy wasn't up for a little scrutiny and he proved himself to be a whiny spoiled child. I understand your upset about it - I mean he couldn't have everything his way so he let the whole country down. I'm sure we're better off not having someone so afraid to be challenged.

I know you love Churchill and all - I mean you bring him up almost as much as the apocolypse. But you conveniently only remember the timeframe where he was a hero. He made many horrible mistakes prior his golden years. You may want to consider all of his works before making all of these contemporary analogies to him.

he couldn`t get a vote!!!!!!....

again...HE COULDN`T GET A VOTE!!!!

lord,you`re dense...

and still disparaging churchill.....whew......maybe the greatest hero.....and of course you despise him....

keep worshipping at the feet of ramsay clark..he`s more your style...

look,i have to work out.....don't you have a date to go to a smoky basement in greenwich village and watch a transvestite carve a yam into a monkey or something?...

i`ll be back.....no more mr nice guy,smurph...
 

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Weasel:

One thing you forget. Bush invaded Iraq. Iraq was not threat to the US. As has been stated billions of times herein, no ties with terrorism. You keep on forgetting your perspective. Keep that in mind schnookums.

To the rest of the world, (as well as objective thinking people not doused with patriotic fervor)he is a terrorist in a Brooks Brothers suit.

Eddie
 

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Dense? Well, you're entitled to your opinion.

The White House resubmitted Bolton's nomination last month. But with Democrats capturing control of the next Congress, his chances of winning confirmation appeared slight.

He didn't even fight it out. That was weak. He gave up. He still had the support of the White House and a chance to prove his worth.

What makes you think I "despise" Winston Churchill? He was the perfect leader during WW2, but was a pretty bad leader and decision maker almost the entire rest of time in public service. That's pretty much a fact. Yes - he was awesome when England was being carpet bombed, but it's important to have an overall perspective on the guy. Without Hitler, he was generally considered a failure. 95% of the time, there is no Hitler, there is no great war, no apocolypse. So - yeah - your right and I owe you a coke if we are nuked from terrorists in the near future because we didn't do everything we could to support Bolton and be tougher with the UN. But much more likely you are being the overly aggressive alarmist Churchill who sent 60,000 Australians to death for no reason. ....That's just the odds. Even a dense guy like me has a concept of odds.
 

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fight what out?....

you don`t even understand the process....his nomination has languished in the foreign relations committe for over a year....

HE CAN`T GET AN UP OR DOWN VOTE.....

sheesh.....

the guy`s a man...and he walked away without putting the country through more b.s.....

you want whiny?...you want pussified?...how about george voinovich crying on the senate floor over this fine man`s nomination?......to a corrupt institution.....

i don`t get your anger....chavez wins, bolton's out, america is weaker...

it is a good week for you progressives...

lol
 

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I'm not angry. Well, I guess Bolton's job was doomed as soon as Bush decided to slip him in, ignoring the congressional process.

Chin up, doomsday boy. We'll probably end up with a better overall ambassador. "America is weaker"???? Step back and listen to yourself.

As for Chavez ...well, he's only strong because we keep buying his oil. If you drive a car, then I guess it's your fault. It's a good week for you low mpg Chavez-enablers.
 

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what exaxtly...specifically.... was your beef with bolton?...what did he do,specifically, that you didn`t agree with?...thanks...

as far as the "process" is concerned,i only hope the republicans return the "obstructionist" favor when the shoe`s on the other foot....

this way,the gridlock can continue ad infinitum....

it's getting harder and harder to keep one`s chin up......with all the bad news.....and the ignorance i encounter...

bolton, one of the few voices of sanity in the u.n. funny farm is cashiered....

and later in the week we`ll have james "bugger the joos" baker put in charge of the iraq exit strategy, one which will likely entail casting the joos to the iranian wolves (because the joos, as always, are expendable)....

you don`t get it now,but you will in time....as someone else said,"""bolton has been valiant in his efforts to clean up u.n. corruption and malfeasance, and follow u.n. procedure in dealing with such threats as a nuclear n.k., a hezbollah bid to take over lebanon, and the nuclearization of hezbollah’s terror-masters in iran.......but it has been like watching one man trying to move a tsunami of mud"""....



tell me that al gore or kerry are going to be elected president and my horror will be complete......

out....
 
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I already told you that I didn't have a problem with Bolton. It's up there in plain English. However, you can't be surprised that his appointment would be short-lived based on the way Bush sort of snuck him in there. You complain that he can't get a vote - well, you can thank Bush for creating that scenario.

So you don't like James Baker, eh? I assume that you agree with me that his law firm receiving millions of dollars from the Saudi Royals to defend law suits from 9-11 families represents a major conflict of interest. If he's throwing Israel under the bus, that's probably more evidence that he's property of Saudi Arabia.

The thing about all of your fear is that is seems to be one-sided. Constant aggression is no more the answer than being too pacifist. We can't simply fight our way through the dangers. It's just not mathematically possible. It never was and never will be.

Don't worry, Kerry or Gore will never be president. Like your style of writing, their heyday is long gone.
 

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up or down vote...that`s all the man asks....

and the dems won`t give it to him.....simple as that...

smurph:""As for Chavez ...well, he's only strong because we keep buying his oil. If you drive a car, then I guess it's your fault. It's a good week for you low mpg Chavez-enablers.""

well,my dim witted little diletante,i find it redundant and yet entertaining that you find yet another booger bear to foist on america.....blame america for chavez?......lol...why not?...

i`ll never understand why western liberals have so much twisted sick hate for... the west!.....

it's so sad, they don't know history and certainly have never felt gratitude for all they have in life.....

in the 30`s,40`s and 50`sand even early 60`s i`ve been told that americans loved themsleves and it was a great time to be alive......

there was so much camaraderie....it's all gone now, replaced with self-hate and destructive incivility.....

middle class guys like yourself make me laugh....in a sad way....

you "HAVE".....and you hate yourself(your country) for it......people like you are a danger because you don`t understand that "taking out the man" equates to your own suicide.....

blame america...it`s what you do....

sorry...back to hugo...you see,if you understood history, chavez is your classic demagogue....he throws bones at the populace, claims to be out for their own best interests, then tries to aggrandize power and steer any disapproval elsewhere.... like toward a domestic so-called trouble maker or scape goat a foreign entity like the u.s.a.....

like hitler with the joos....the islamists with the joos and the west....

it`s easier to blame YOUR problems on someone else...

chavez will aggrandize himself, gain further power, and then make himself a dictator over a ruined former democracy in venezuela.....

and as we speak,i've read that hugo`s oil production isn't doing so hot and that they actually have to import oil from russia (and maybe iran also) simply to resale it so they don't default on their contracts......it isn't clear whether or not hugo has simply badly mismanaged oil production or whether oil capacity in venezuela has hit its peak and is declining.....probably the former...

in any event, many of those who follow affairs in venezuela believe the country is headed for rough economic times in the not-to-distant future....hugo hosed up their oil industry, because he fired the expats and professionals who were running it, and put political hacks in. ...



another third world oil-producing nation pissing away its resources, natural and human.....maybe a step or two removed from the mideast "oil"igarchies, but without the foresight to use its resources to construct a diversified economy and greater economic opportunities......

and the hated usa....keeps chuggin`along.... (sorry,i know that grates)

some good news...finally...at least for those that root for america.....

it`s not your fault you`re a lemming,bro....

lesson over...go back to your video games...
 
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No up/down. Reason why votes were not there. To many Reb's don't want him either. Now they can complain it was Dem's fault with out getting caught in there own chit.
 

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You are in that impossible to have a conversation with mode again, weasel. Man, all I ever called you was a lunatic. You've called me dense, dimwitted, made references to giving blowjobs just in the last couple days - and now have the fvcking gall to accuse me of hating my country and rooting us to fail?

Spin and deflect all you want, but you didn't even come close to answering why we do business with Chavez? If he's so horrible, why do we continue to make his regime so wealthy? Whatver problems you may be reading in those blogs you love, Venezuela is still our 4th largest oil supplier.

Hate America? What kind of kneejerk bullshit is that? Siince when is arguing for what I feel is better policies and strategies hating America? Just because I'm not an incomprehensible babbling lunatic who things the apocolypse looms around every corner like yourself, does not make me a hater of America. Quite the contrary. But why am I even bothering to respond to you after such an accusation?
 

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on Bolton--Can anyone name the previous 2 people to hold his job off the top their heads--why not?

From Michelle Malkin--granted a hard core conservative--but a cute one :)
on some of Boltons accomplishments--

Sanctions:

Ambassador Bolton worked closely with Security Council colleagues to create a new
partnership with Interpol to strengthen sanctions against al-Qaida.

Ambassador Bolton led the adoption of sanctions by the Security Council against individuals contributing to the genocide in Darfur.

Ambassador Bolton has helped President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf promote democracy in Liberia by revising and lifting sanctions imposed during the brutal reign of Charles Taylor.

Security Counsil Action:

Burma: Ambassador Bolton led Security Council efforts to draw down the peacekeeping operation in Burundi after a successful transition (ONUB is scheduled to close at the end of 2006).

Congo: Ambassador Bolton and the Security Council provided the peacekeeping mission in the Congo, MONUC, with resources and temporary police and troop increases to support Congo's first democratic elections in 40 years.

Ethiopia/Eritrea: Ambassador Bolton and the Security Council condemned restrictions placed on the UN Mission in Ethiopia and Eritrea (UNMEE) by the Government of Eritrea as well as the Ethiopian refusal to demarcate the border.

Ambassador Bolton led the Security Council in an authorization to downsize the UNMEE peacekeeping force from approximately 3,300 troops to 2,300 troops in response to the situation on the ground in Ethiopia and Eritrea.

Iran: Ambassador Bolton worked with colleagues to negotiate a formal Security Council statement calling on Iran to suspend all uranium enrichment activities and to request follow up reports from the IAEA on Iranian compliance.

Liberia: Ambassador Bolton led the Security Council in the adoption of resolutions to establish a mandate to arrest Charles Taylor should he return to Liberia, to facilitate his transfer to the Special Court for Sierra Leone for prosecution, and to ensure peaceful presidential elections in Liberia.

North Korea: Ambassador Bolton, in partnership with the Japanese, led Security Council efforts to take a firm and clear stand against North Korean missile launches with the adoption of resolution 1695. This resolution is the strongest statement of condemnation the Security Council has made against North Korea in over 10 years and received unanimous support, even from China and Russia.

Sudan: Ambassador Bolton led the Security Council in authorizing the Secretary General to begin contingency planning for the transition of the African Union Mission in Sudan (AMIS) to a UN operation.

Ambassador Bolton negotiated with Security Council members to permit the entry of a joint African Union-UN assessment team to Darfur through a Chapter VII Security Council resolution.

Syria and Lebanon: Ambassador Bolton worked to adopt Chapter VII measures such as travel restrictions and the freezing of assets that would sanction individuals designated by the UN International Independent Commission (UNIIIC) as suspected of involvement in the killing of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafiq Hariri. Subsequently, the Security Council established a tribunal of an international character to try those involved in the terrorist bombing.

Management Reform: Ambassador Bolton achieved consensus agreement on the World Summit Outcome Document, which was adopted by Heads of State in the General Assembly and included commitments to reform management of the UN through improving oversight, updating the United Nations program of work, and reforming human resources management.

Ambassador Bolton worked to reach consensus agreement to limit UN regular budget spending to $950 million for the biennium 2006 ? 2007 (approximately six months) to provide an impetus for further discussions on UN reform.

Ambassador Bolton created a 50-member coalition of Member States in support of management reform (that in total fund 87 percent of the UN regular budget) during negotiations on a draft resolution tabled by the Group of 77 and China. The resolution was ultimately put to an unprecedented vote in the Fifth Committee and the coalition remained united in voting against the resolution.

Ambassador Bolton negotiated consensus resolutions on management reform that were adopted by the General Assembly:

- to create an Ethics Office;
- to strengthen internal oversight through the provision of additional resources;
- to adopt International Public Sector Accounting Standards;
- to decide to replace the current, outdated information technology system;
- to establish a Chief Information Technology Officer;
- to provide greater discretion for the Secretary-General in implementing the budget.

Economic and Social Issues:

Ambassador Bolton supported the efforts of the Democracy Fund, launched at the UN by President Bush in September 2005. The U.S. has pledged $17.9 million to the fund, which promotes democracy via projects to strengthen institutions and facilitate democratic governance.

Ambassador Bolton led a successful negotiation to create the Peacebuilding Commission, designed to advise on next steps to assist post-conflict theatres so as to consolidate measures toward stability and development.

To enhance the UN's humanitarian coordination, Ambassador Bolton worked to increase efficiency and accountability by agreeing to a "cluster approach," designating a lead agency for each sector of humanitarian activity. The approach is currently being piloted in four crisis situations, and it has prompted significant streamlining among UN operational agencies.

Ambassador Bolton participated in a High-level Meeting on HIV/AIDS (in a delegation led by First Lady Laura Bush), which adopted a strong political declaration and suggested measures for more medical testing in heavily inflicted societies.

This is a list of Bolton's accomplishments. I would love to hear the Democrats reasons for not confirming him.

With all this said, I still think the UN is one of the most biased, corrupt organizations there is, which is the reason they have had the need for so much reform, it has been public and the facts are on record already.

Still, it is an organization that is there for a reason and although their sanctions are ignored quite often, it is a chance for a world body to speak, when China and Russia are not acting as deliberate weak links. My personal opinion on whether anyone listens to them when they speak as an international community is of no importance.

With all that Bolton has accomplished, I guess this is a good chance to see if the Democrats are really serious about doing what is right in a bipartisan fashion, or whether it was all smoke and mirrors to trick their voters into voting for them.
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gotta regret someone leaving the UN who thinks this of it, with this much fire.

do I hear Ambassador Giuliani?

But you can order your 2007 GOP Calendar now.



Here's Mr August

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Thought Cavuto might have put it best.

Tuesday , December 05, 2006

By Neil Cavuto

So, Bolton is boltin' the U.N. -- very, very sad.

John Bolton ? a good man, a principled man, a dedicated man ? is now a no-man in a body of no-names.

No-names who couldn't stand the heat, so they threw "him" out of the kitchen.

The Wall Street Journal summing it up best today, saying Bolton "offended America's enemies because he looked at their behavior and refused to excuse it."

I could see it winning him enemies there.

I'm just shocked to see it earning him more enemies here.

Democrats who wouldn't give him the dignity of a simple up-or-down vote, now have to search their souls up and down to find any dignity at all.

Only in this country can we punish a guy who stood up so strongly for the values of this country. Who pushed for isolating Iran and North Korea when a corrupt institution preferred embracing them.

And who called the U.N.Human Rights Council for the hypocritical oxymoron it was.

He was called a bull in a china shop.

Trust me, there's plenty of "bull" in this shop. And to my surprise, apparently well outside this shop. Protected on the inside by the money-grubbing, influence-peddling bureaucrats who feared reform and on the outside, by equally shallow U.S. politicians, who feared reform even more.

You know what, I'm actually glad John's leaving the U.N.

He was hanging out with a bad crowd.

And being judged, by an even worse crowd.

Be well, Ambassador, and know while bureaucrats have all but told you ? screw you.

A very grateful nation offers only these two other words: thank you.
 

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You are in that impossible to have a conversation with mode again, weasel. Man, all I ever called you was a lunatic. You've called me dense, dimwitted, made references to giving blowjobs just in the last couple days - and now have the fvcking gall to accuse me of hating my country and rooting us to fail?

Spin and deflect all you want, but you didn't even come close to answering why we do business with Chavez? If he's so horrible, why do we continue to make his regime so wealthy? Whatver problems you may be reading in those blogs you love, Venezuela is still our 4th largest oil supplier.

Hate America? What kind of kneejerk bullshit is that? Siince when is arguing for what I feel is better policies and strategies hating America? Just because I'm not an incomprehensible babbling lunatic who things the apocolypse looms around every corner like yourself, does not make me a hater of America. Quite the contrary. But why am I even bothering to respond to you after such an accusation?

jeez...i tried to make nice in another thread and you slapped me down and implied that i was afraid to debate the issue....

how about calling me freak?....more selective memory...you`ve been in attack mode ever since you came back from....sensitivity training?...

you`ve personally attacked dtb....a guy that never attacks anyone......scott atlanta.....

i`ve ignored your personal attacks...the snide cheap shots...... no biggie.....but,two can play that game...know that...

you want to dish it...then,take it like a man...

why do business with venezuela?...maybe because we` were doing business with venezuela long before chavez ever came into prominence......ya think?.....

should we just shut down citgo?...immediately shut down decades of relations with a country because they elected a lunatic?....at the tip of a hat....

by that logic,you should have moved to canada with alec baldwin after 2004 when bushitler was elected.....alec didn`t go,you say?...

shocker.....

any idea what it might feel like heating your house with candles this winter?....

we do business with the saudi`s,russia,china......that`s life.... it`s called a world economy....symbiosis(look it up yourself)..

to num nums like yourself the answers are simplistic..."just pull out of iraq"......."stop buying oil from venezuela and saudi arabia"......"who cares if iran has nuclear weapons"......"it`s all bush`s fault"

ignorance is truly bliss....

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The difference is it's possible to have actual conversations with all those people. Even DTB does a better job at staying on topic than you. They all can handle differing opinions without traitor accusations. I understand what you are now - you are someone to watch rather than respond to. Like BBC said, throw in some popcorn and just watch your threads - it's entertaining when taken the right way ....almost like the Colber Report. It's my fault, really. I know better - I mean you are insane and I know that. I'm sorry for getting in your way. Carry on.
 

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By Evelyn Leopold
Wed Dec 6, 7:59 PM ET

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - U.S. Ambassador John Bolton, whose temporary appointment ends shortly, was back at the United Nations on Tuesday, his wit and prickly relationship with U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan intact.

Just hours after he made clear he would not seek a renewal on Monday, Bolton and his wife Gretchen attended a White House dinner in honor of Annan, who leaves office on December 31, and his wife Nane.

Asked about a "healing process" with Annan, Bolton told reporters: "Nope, nobody sang Kumbaya."

Annan later quipped "But does he know how to sing?"

Bolton was referring to the African-originated hymn popularized in the United States as a campfire song.

The secretary-general has often been on the receiving end of Bolton's criticism, which senior U.N. officials have returned in kind.

Bolton, who spoke to reporters shortly before he voted in the U.N. Security Council on a Somalia resolution he drafted, was asked whether he had been offered a senior U.N. post.

Laughing, Bolton said, "I don't expect to be offered, and if offered, I would not accept."

Bolton's appointment ends at the end of the current Congressional term, expected this week or not later than January 4. He told Bush he would resign from the administration after he was unable to satisfy Senate opponents, particularly Democrats, who last year blocked his nomination and won control of the Senate in November elections.

Facing the press, the only U.N. ambassador to do so daily, Bolton on Tuesday refused to answer any personal questions.

"I have consistently declined here to talk about my personal situation, and I am going to continue to decline that. I want to talk about Somalia," Bolton said. He came to the United Nations in August 2004.

His deputy, Alejandro Wolff, will run the mission until a new ambassador is appointed.

Speculation on a successor has included Zalmay Khalilzad, the U.S. Ambassador to Iraq; Richard Williamson, a former U.S. deputy U.N. ambassador; Nicholas Burns and Paula Dobriansky, both undersecretaries at the State Department, among others.
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and Somolia's take--

By Sahal Abdulle
Thu Dec 7, 3:02 AM ET



MOGADISHU (Reuters) - Somalia's powerful Islamist movement said on Thursday that U.N. endorsement of an African peacekeeping force will "add fuel to the fire" in the Horn of Africa nation that many fear is on the verge of all-out war.

But the interim government -- whose aspirations of restoring central rule to Somalia were dented by the rise of the Islamists this year -- welcomed the prospect of military support and cited resolution promoter the United Sates for thanks.

The U.N. Security Council endorsed the peacekeepers on Wednesday to help prop up the Western-backed government of President Abdullahi Yusuf. But it also urged the authorities to pursue peace talks with their Islamist rivals.

After pressure on Washington from the European Union, the final resolution barred peacekeepers from border states, whose presence in Somalia was viewed as potentially inflammatory.

"The U.N. authorizing new weapons is like adding fuel to the fire," Islamist spokesman Abdirahman Ali Mudey told Reuters.

Ibrahim Hassan Addow, the Islamists' de facto foreign minister, said his militarily strong movement would forcibly resist any peacekeeping forces.

"Somalia is at peace now and we see this as an attack and introducing destruction back to Somalia," he said. "We see this as an invading force and we will have to defend our country.

Diplomats, however, see any actual arrival of peacekeepers as still a long way off, saying the U.N. resolution may be designed more for political than practical impact at the moment.

Let alone unresolved issues of funding and other logistics, fears that peacekeepers may attract foreign jihadists to Somalia may also make the African Union baulk at sending in soldiers.

Al Qaeda head Osama bin Laden said soon after the Islamists' June takeover of Mogadishu that any deployment of foreign forces in Somalia would be seen as an anti-Muslim "crusade."

SOMALI GOVERNMENT THANKS U.S.

Government officials in Baidoa, the only town it controls in Somalia, praised the U.N. move and thanked its main backers, the United States. The government's bid to restore central rule for the first time since 1991 has been dented by the Islamists' rise and takeover of a swathe of southern Somalia including the capital Mogadishu since June.

"We welcome this decision and we are thanking all the members of the Security Council, especially the American government which tabled the resolution," Deputy Defense Minister Salad Ali Jelle told Reuters.

"This will bring solutions not war."

U.N. special envoy to Somalia, Francois Lonseny Fall, said the east African inter-governmental body IGAD and the AU would now flesh out the plans.

"All that is left is to determine the financing," he said.

The Islamists and government had been due to meet in Sudan next week for talks. But that looks unlikely now due to the controversy over the peacekeeping issue.

(Additional reporting by Marie-Louise Gumuchian in Nairobi)
 
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