Bonds exposed-----

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penguinfan said:
we are talking about one of the most revered records in all of sports when you talk about Arron's home run record and it would be a shame if the new record holder had an astrik next to his name.
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Thats exactly the point. Bonds should not be allowed to break Aarons record. He should not be allowed to break Ruths record.

If baseball had any guts at all they would investigate it further and if the truth is that he was on roids all those years, he is out. Plain and simple. No more playing in the sport you love.

Fans would be upset. Yeh ok then . Tough hoonooky. The message it would send to our kids in sports in this country is what is the most important.

If nothing is done, the teens sit in the stands and go well Bonds cheated that long made alot of money and didnt get caught. Maybe its ok to do Roids.

Teen athletes very tempted to take this.

I doubt there is much testing for roids in high schools. But its there.

I dont blame it all on Bonds.

This goes way deeper than just Bonds. McGuire and Sosa in there also. Its the whole integrity of baseball at stake. Its big money and complicated.

Ban Bonds and I will begin believing in the integrity of sports again.

The sad part is that we all know that they will do nothing.

The home run records will fall and have a askterick beside it. But the stands are full and everyone is making the bucks.

Its just not the right thing to let it go. Anybody can see that much.

If they do nothing, I may boycott baseball in person and on cable, for the rest of my entire life.
 
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to think what ruth accomplished while being a party animal and these bastards need juice to get close. makes me sick.
ruth and aaron should be baseball gods,
maguire, sosa and bonds should be ashamed.
 

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fatdaddycool said:
Yes I think that Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, and Mark Mcguire (sp?) all juiced, funny hting is nobody said shit when Mark and Sammy brought all those fans back to the game in that most memorable year of my life watching baseball.
I knew it wall bullshlt then. I think I lot of people knew 1998 was bullshlt. There was no proof however (as opposed to now) and baseball was being forced down everyone's throat so bad, the skeptics had no voice.

I never really came back to baseball after 1994. Used to be a big Orioles fan, I'm no longer a fan of any team or the sport. I actually want bad things to happen to MLB. I want all cheaters banned and their stats stricken. No way I'll ever return to the game unless that happens and there are no more labor disruptions.

All this entertainment value crap is short-lived. In the long run, the only thing that keeps the game going are loyal fans who understand and appreciate the entire game as opposed to just being fascinated by homeruns. If that's not enough to financially support this bloated league, then f*k it - it can implode as far as I'm concerned.
 

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The thing is MLB didn't lower the mound and shrink the strike zone for nothing. Parks don't shoot off fireworks for three run doubles. Homeruns put people in the seats like it or not. Also, MLB did not start testing for amphetamines until a couple of years ago and many players including Willie Mays and others were known to take them all the time before a game. Regardless of the era, players have always in the past and will continue in the future to look for an edge. You cannot remove the fact that Barry Bonds hit 411 homeruns prior to packing on all the weight and 297 afterwards, and yet everyone acts as if he is stealing kids' milk money. Also, when where roids banned by baseball? Two years ago? So it isn't cheating until then..............you don't have to like the guy but he still has skills.
 

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Bonds almost certainly will retire without a ring and ? given the seeming incontrovertibility of Game of Shadows ? may never enter Cooperstown. (Note to Barry: If you're going to maintain your innocence, you might want to avoid doing American Idol sketches that bare your deltoids and trapezius.)

If he never wins a title and is excluded from the Hall, he may wonder along with the rest of us, "What was it all about, Barry?"


There is no questioning the talent of Barry Bonds as a baseball player. But his attitude often appears as dour and selfish. (Haraz N. Ghanbari / Associated Press)

While Bonds may have become the "cream" of the crop, it's "clear" he hasn't dedicated his career to making friends.

As Jeff Kent famously said, "On the field, we're fine, but off the field, I don't care about Barry and Barry doesn't care about me. Or anybody else."

Or as another teammate anonymously pointed out, "When Barry says 'F--- you,' he actually means it."

Nice legacy. Sounds like Barry has a Ty Cobb-type funeral waiting for him down the line.

Dave Justice once told the story of Bonds approaching a table of players at an All-Star event.

"Barry walked in and started talking s---. Within five or ten minutes, everybody at that table peeled off," Justice recalled. "A lot of guys just didn't like Barry. He was cocky, always talking about himself, but we brothers, we have a fraternity. I mean, when was the last time you saw two brothers fighting on the field? But that day, everybody just got up and left. Nobody could stand him."

Willie Mays once said of Bonds, "Sometimes he says things before he thinks. That's why I'm here ? to remind him other people have feelings, too."

To remind him other people have feelings, too. Wow. This was not a reminder Puckett needed. He was particularly aware of the nervousness and insecurity of younger players.

Bonds has been so delinquent in extending a welcoming hand to young African-American players that it prompted Garry Sheffield to call him on it.

"Barry's not black," Sheffield once said. "You're not supposed to look down your nose at the guys coming up. You're supposed to be there for them. Once this generation of black players retires, that will be gone, because too many guys think because they make a whole lot of money, they don't have any responsibilities to the other guys. They think it's OK to look down on the guys who aren't as fortunate."

Bonds, of course, has always looked down on everyone. It was after he ridiculed a coach that his then-manager Jim Leyland exploded at him, screaming, "One player's not going to run this club. If you don't want to be here, get the hell out of here."

And so he did, bolting to San Francisco, where all his surliness has been forgiven by fans enraptured by his production. Now that it seems fairly indisputable that his production in San Francisco was fueled by performance-enhancing drugs, it will be interesting to see if those same fans turn their backs on Barry. Because if the production gets an asterisk, there's not much else to like about the man.

Bonds had great athletic gifts and the red carpet was always rolled out for him.

"It's called talent," he once said. "I just have it. I can't explain it. You either have it or you don't."
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Scott,
Not sure what the reply is meant to accomplish other than another article bashing the guys personality. I never said he was a nice guy, and again, who cares if he is. He will most certainly make the hall of fame and most likely on the first ballot. Ty Cobb is in there and hes not a nice guy either. The man still had near 500 Homeruns before ever being accused. Those numbers are automatic.
 

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fatdaddycool said:
Homeruns put people in the seats like it or not.
But it doesn't keep them there. Kids grow up and put childish things like phony baseball and boy bands aside. In the long run, baseball loses the purists and trendy family fans. What gimmick will they try next to fool everyone?
 

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smurphy said:
But it doesn't keep them there. Kids grow up and put childish things like phony baseball and boy bands aside. In the long run, baseball loses the purists and trendy family fans. What gimmick will they try next to fool everyone?

smurphy,
I respect your opinion, I do not, however, find the game to be a gimmick or phony at all. Steroids, just as amphetamines, and whatever else is next will always be there. I think that saying that "purists" will leave the game is a very broad generalization. Technology has changed the game and purists have not left. I am a purist however I don't want to see them play with the old style gloves or any of that. The game is not judged by the actions of a few and Barry Bonds is just a blip on the radar screen of what the game will be in twenty years.
 

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Dawgball...let me preface this by saying I DESPISE Barry Bonds.

However, to say he would be "a middle of the road player without the juice" is silly to say the least.

Pre-steroids he was baseball's first 400 hr 400 sb player. Almost everyone agrees that even before his steroid induced hr binge of the past several years he was an almost certain hall of famer.
 
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