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Cardiologists are whining about their Medicare rates being cut-

Average total compensation for family doctors ranged from $150,763 to $204,370 a year, according to a 2008 survey by Modern Healthcare magazine. Cardiologists fetched from $332,900 to $561,875. Radiation oncologists, cancer doctors who specialize in radiation therapy, earned $357,000 to $463,293.


Maybe they'll have to eat at the soup kitchen.
 

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Of course a doctor makes more money than a grocery clerk at Safeway. If it was just as easy to become a cardiologist as it is to become a grocery clerk, more people would be cardiologists. But it isn't. It requires years and years of effort and a great deal of money, normally borrowed, to become a cardiologist and make that kind of money. And I doubt the grocery clerk carries malpractice insurance and requires a support staff to work for himself/herself. Or rent/lease/buy an office.
There is no parity in pay levels. Many of the country's most valuable people are teachers. No one will get rich as a teacher. Many of the country's most valuable people are social workers, police officers, firemen, etc. Good livings - maybe - rich, no.
I don't see why we need to excoriate doctors, CEOs and lawyers for making a lot of money. All of us had the option and most of us have the skills to become doctors et al had we chosen that.
I shouldn't berate and bemoan doctors for their salaries. If it bothered me that much I should have gone to medical school.
 

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Cardiologists are whining about their Medicare rates being cut-

Average total compensation for family doctors ranged from $150,763 to $204,370 a year, according to a 2008 survey by Modern Healthcare magazine. Cardiologists fetched from $332,900 to $561,875. Radiation oncologists, cancer doctors who specialize in radiation therapy, earned $357,000 to $463,293.


Maybe they'll have to eat at the soup kitchen.

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They make twice as much as this .

its the money you don't see that they are complaining about losing.

It has been discussed ad nauseum in other threads
 

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"I heard a lot of frustration and anger as I traveled across my home state this last few weeks," said Enzi, who has been targeted by critics for seeking to negotiate on legislation. "People in Wyoming and across the country are anxious about what Washington has in mind. This is big. This is personal. This is one of the most important debates of our lifetime."

He called for more competition among health insurers, for the ability of small businesses to band together across state lines to negotiate for lower-cost insurance plans, for tax breaks to help people buy insurance and for reducing malpractice lawsuits. :shrug: :SIB :scared
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In other words leave things as they are , we are making too much money to fawk with health care.

people are going bankrupt over health care :142smilie

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GOP accused of health reform ?fear-mongering?
Letter says Republicans ?might? face discrimination when seeking treatment


Aug. 28: Doctors, nurses and ordinary citizens have banded together to form the New Orleans Musicians Clinic, to offer medical care to musicians who often have little or no insurance.

GOP accused of health ?fear-mongering?
The national Republican Party has mailed a fundraising appeal suggesting Democrats might use an overhaul of the health care system to deny medical treatment to Republicans. :142smilie :SIB
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GOP health negotiator blasts Democrats' plans
Elderly concerned over health care overhaul
Obama asks docs to promote health care fix
Health care debate based on lack of logic

updated 8:36 a.m. ET, Sat., Aug 29, 2009
WASHINGTON - The national Republican Party has mailed a fundraising appeal suggesting Democrats might use an overhaul of the health care system to deny medical treatment to Republicans.

A questionnaire accompanying the appeal says the government could check voting registration records, "prompting fears that GOP voters might be discriminated against for medical treatment in a Democrat-imposed health care rationing system."

Katie Wright, a spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee, said the question was "inartfully worded."

But she said people should worry because government officials would have access to personal financial and medical data.

"The RNC doesn't try to scare people," said Wright. "We're just trying to get the facts out on health care. And that's what we do every day."

'Outright lies'
Jon Vogel, executive director of the Democratic House campaign organization, called the GOP letter "shameless fear-mongering."

In a fundraising e-mail of his own seeking to raise $100,000 by Aug. 31, Vogel wrote the Republican accusation was "just a preview of the falsehoods, fabrications and outright lies Republicans will be pushing when Congress returns in September."

The allegation is the latest instance in which some critics of the health care effort have made inflammatory unfounded claims ? such as conservatives who claimed the legislation would create "death panels" that they said could lead to euthanizing elderly people.

The suggestion that Republicans might not receive care is included in a "Future of American Health Care Survey" containing 13 questions, most of which are critical of the Democratic health care effort. The technique, referred to as a "push poll," is used often in political campaigns by both parties and is designed to spread negative information, not to sample public opinion.

Another question asks, "Do you believe it is justified to ration health care regardless of whether an individual has contributed to the cost of the treatment?"

The survey is accompanied by a two-page letter signed by Michael Steele, chairman of the national Republican party. The letter accuses Democrats of "moving swiftly to bring European-style socialized medicine here," but makes no mention of the possibility that Republicans might be denied coverage.

Wright said she did not know who had crafted the wording of the survey questions, and which GOP officials had signed off on it. She also said she did not initially know how many of the surveys were mailed or to whom.

House Democratic legislation would give officials access to limited information about the earnings of people who apply for federal insurance subsidies to see if they qualify, said Matthew Beck, Democratic spokesman for the House Ways and Means Committee.

The question suggesting possible denial of care for Republicans was first reported by The Columbian newspaper of Vancouver, Wash.
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Republicans are just want to make Obama look bad . They have no care about the average American in need of health care reform.

Better back off Neocons. 2012 is looking good again for dems
 

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. They have no care about the average American in need of health care reform.

Better back off Neocons. 2012 is looking good again for dems


you`ve got it exactly backwards...obama and his healthcare proposal are plumetting in the polls...

scotty,when did you get back from planet zongo?.....welcome home,dude...:toast:
 

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Of course a doctor makes more money than a grocery clerk at Safeway. If it was just as easy to become a cardiologist as it is to become a grocery clerk, more people would be cardiologists. But it isn't. It requires years and years of effort and a great deal of money, normally borrowed, to become a cardiologist and make that kind of money. And I doubt the grocery clerk carries malpractice insurance and requires a support staff to work for himself/herself. Or rent/lease/buy an office.
There is no parity in pay levels. Many of the country's most valuable people are teachers. No one will get rich as a teacher. Many of the country's most valuable people are social workers, police officers, firemen, etc. Good livings - maybe - rich, no.
I don't see why we need to excoriate doctors, CEOs and lawyers for making a lot of money. All of us had the option and most of us have the skills to become doctors et al had we chosen that.
I shouldn't berate and bemoan doctors for their salaries. If it bothered me that much I should have gone to medical school.

I pretty much agree with this, ferd. While I am a big proponent of attacking the high cost of health care in this country, I certainly don't look for a cap on salaries or making a surgeon's rate of pay the same as a general practitioner, that kind of thing. I've talked plenty here about attorneys and why I think most are worth what they make, and nobody really ever understands the time, effort, and money they invest in getting to where they are. And the best in each field usually command the most money - just like most fields where excellence can and should be rewarded. I never hear anyone talk about "I need to find the cheapest attorney I can find" when they really need one. Same for doctors - although with doctors, I don't really see the competitive and measurable cost difference for most seeking them out before they get treatments. This is where I see a problem - there really is very little competition in the medical field, or healthcare in general. Insurance is the difference, people don't really think about saving money or looking for cheaper options, and then the insurors can do pretty much what they want after that. There's no containment of anything when it comes to cost in healthcare these days - or very little, anyway.
 

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you`ve got it exactly backwards...obama and his healthcare proposal are plumetting in the polls...

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Obama and the polls are plummeting at exactly the right time . He has only been in office 8 mths

holy crap :142smilie

When 2012 rolls around and the country is rocking and rolling and we all have health care, the neocons will be crying like a Glenn Beck puppet cut out.
 

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Insurance companies need to be regulated. Is there any other civilized nation in the world that gets ripped off by insurance be it car/medical/home etc etc etc? Also before that is even tackled we should increase tax write offs for medical insurance. It can be business or private. I mean how hard is it to just pass that? You are a small business that pays health insurance? Boom, 100% write off. Retired couple paying $8000 a year? Boom, 100% write off. I mean come on.
 

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Insurance companies need to be regulated. Is there any other civilized nation in the world that gets ripped off by insurance be it car/medical/home etc etc etc? Also before that is even tackled we should increase tax write offs for medical insurance. It can be business or private. I mean how hard is it to just pass that? You are a small business that pays health insurance? Boom, 100% write off. Retired couple paying $8000 a year? Boom, 100% write off. I mean come on.

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I don't think that even the staunchest conservative would oppose opening up the competition in the health care industry across state lines. In fact, I would assume republicans would love the idea. Let the marketplace dictate the prices and may the best man win. Maybe that would be a good first step.
 

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I don't think that even the staunchest conservative would oppose opening up the competition in the health care industry across state lines. In fact, I would assume republicans would love the idea. Let the marketplace dictate the prices and may the best man win. Maybe that would be a good first step.

Another load of neocon crappo. Allowing Insurance Companies to cross state lines just gives them more opportunity to cherry pick. Think insurance is tough when one company has 75% of a state? What happens when the same company has control of 75% of twenty states.

Okay, back to sleep ferd.
 

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You are clearly an idiot. You contradict everything you say from one post to the next. Of course, why would you wnat competition? You're happy to have the government provide everything to everybody for "FREE". If you don't understand that competition theoretically is a plus for the consumer, you need to go back to junior high school social science. Much better to have a monopoly, right?
 

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Another load of neocon crappo. Allowing Insurance Companies to cross state lines just gives them more opportunity to cherry pick. Think insurance is tough when one company has 75% of a state? What happens when the same company has control of 75% of twenty states.

I'm pretty sure that's the way it already is Duff and the company is called Wellpoint.

So isn't there something the government can do to help with competition? I personally don't know and haven't thought about it but I'm sure someone can form a group to come up with ideas that make it easier for companies to enter the health insurance marketplace.
 
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