Thanks that would be him and there are no holes in my theory. It ended after the detroit series and now what i say are just what i might think will happen. this series reminds me a lot like the Philly Lakers series back years ago. Lakers a very good team against the Sixers a very average team with a stud (iverson) Spurs a very good team against a very average team with a very good player (James). Iverson single handedly stole game one and if larry Brown doesn't screw up at the end of game two he steals game two. Then they got waxed like they should have from the start.
Briggs Vs Ibragimov - KOD - June 2
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You claim the NBA gods wanted Labron and the Cavs to win that series, but at the end of game 2 Labron drew contact on the game winner down 1 point and the refs didn't call the foul. I'm not saying Labron was definitly fouled, but he obviously drew enough contact to get the call if thats what the NBA gods wanted.
I'm not starting sh*t here, actually I'd like to parlay the Spurs ML in all of their home games in this series, but I don't want to bet against "the fix"...lol
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You claim the NBA gods wanted Labron and the Cavs to win that series, but at the end of game 2 Labron drew contact on the game winner down 1 point and the refs didn't call the foul. I'm not saying Labron was definitly fouled, but he obviously drew enough contact to get the call if thats what the NBA gods wanted.
I'm not starting sh*t here, actually I'd like to parlay the Spurs ML in all of their home games in this series, but I don't want to bet against "the fix"...lol
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Box, i bet the Cavs six straight times in that series. I never bet a team six straight times in my life and to boot a team i think is average at best. I see your point but these refs know they can control a game anytime they want and when you are playing a team who have a few guys on it that do what the NBA wants its not that hard. The bottom line is that you will see thousands of guys yell fix just because they lose a bet but you will only find one guy who will tell you it is fixed before the game, state what he thinks will happen, and a lot of times it does. Its not easy and for some reason it offends people but i have absolutely nothing to gain by saying this and everything to lose. I don't want a lot of people on the same side of my bet but i hate when i see guys hurting because they are losing when i think they are being cheated. Look this isn't 5 years of handicapping talking its 30. In a thread Mully started in the beginning of the NFL season i went 17-2 in it. 95 percent of my bets were on games i thought there was a story involved. I know there are people who refuse to believe this stuff and get so riled up when i talk about it they go to moderators to get me banned. It has happen a few times but Jack is a little different. I would gladly talk about this with anyone but to get laughed at is a waste of my time. If you can't open your mind up to what im saying there is no need for me to waste my breath. On another note i hear a lot of people cry foul with Boxing but i think boxing is one of the most honest sports out there and its the judges you have to worry about. Same with the UFC and i never say that is fixed but one match the Hughes/Penn fight 1. where i said Hughes just gave up in that one and from what he, Rogan, and the other guy said before there 2nd fight i was right. Hughes said he was tired of the bullshit he was putting up with and basically wasn't to into that fight. I don't know what is gonna happen in these finals but i do know i made a lot of cash thru the years betting against the Spurs in certain spots where they should have blown out the team they were playing. I remember a time they had like a 15 game winning streak and they were playing Atlanta this year and i took Atlanta and almost on the money line. Atlanta beat them straight up and its the same thing over and over with the Spurs. You bet heavy money on them Duncan throws the ball all over the place. Duncan should have a huge series here but i doubt it. I will let the first game go by to see what i feel is gonna happen, but i know one thing that wont and that is Lebron will not get embarrassed. Spurs are so good they can shut him right down but the NBA will not allow that. Watch Bowen go ballistic in this series with all these shit calls on him. He wont be able to sneeze at Lebron and when he is he will shut him right down.
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I'm not saying that point shaving and other forms of corruption don't happen in professional sports. I'm just saying there were too many things that happened in the series that proves the conspiracy theory wrong.
First of all, if they don't give Lebron that call at the end of game 2 (and they didn't) Detroit goes up 2 games to none, meaning it would be much harder to fix the series from that point forward. If the fix was in at that point, Lebron gets that call...period.
Secondly, in the play right before that, Wallace throws a blatant elbow sending the defender to the floor and giving Rasheed a free jumper to put Detroit up by 1. If that series was fixed as you suggest, why didn't the Cavs get either one of those game deciding calls?
Also, In game 5 Lebron scored 29 of the last 30 points for Cleveland, he made everything he looked at including off-balance fade away 3 pointers. It was Lebron unbelievable performance that kept the Cavs in the game and sent it into double overtime. The refs and the Pistons had nothing to do it, without Lebron making all those shots, the Cavs lose by 10 easily.
Like I said, I know corrupt sh*t happens all the time in pro sports, but you can't convince me that the Cavs won b/c of the refs being paid off or the Pistons taking a dive. Just didn't happen
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First of all, if they don't give Lebron that call at the end of game 2 (and they didn't) Detroit goes up 2 games to none, meaning it would be much harder to fix the series from that point forward. If the fix was in at that point, Lebron gets that call...period.
Secondly, in the play right before that, Wallace throws a blatant elbow sending the defender to the floor and giving Rasheed a free jumper to put Detroit up by 1. If that series was fixed as you suggest, why didn't the Cavs get either one of those game deciding calls?
Also, In game 5 Lebron scored 29 of the last 30 points for Cleveland, he made everything he looked at including off-balance fade away 3 pointers. It was Lebron unbelievable performance that kept the Cavs in the game and sent it into double overtime. The refs and the Pistons had nothing to do it, without Lebron making all those shots, the Cavs lose by 10 easily.
Like I said, I know corrupt sh*t happens all the time in pro sports, but you can't convince me that the Cavs won b/c of the refs being paid off or the Pistons taking a dive. Just didn't happen
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Lebron was making slam uncontested dunks and i think two shots only were contested. Box come on Barkley, Miller and Kenny Smith all couldn't understand why Detroit was playing him so soft. Again i don't know how much of those thread you read of mine but i would have to be a magician to predict what i did. I said Chicago would lose that last game of the year, Washington would win and everything would shuffle up where Cleveland moves all the way getting the easiest road thru the playoffs moving to the two spot and plays that bang up shitty Washington team while the Bulls get the hard road. Its amazing how this happen. Then i said New Jersey would beat Toronto because Toronto doesn't have the NBA boys on there team like Jersey does. Then i said when Jersey plays Cleveland it would be Jason Kidd who has all these Mysterious bad games and that is what happen exactly. Kidd came off of a great series with Toronto and all the sudden he was pulling a Billups and throwing the ball away. You just wait for the NFL to start and i will script you a game. I didn't do it last year because i have been away from gambling for three years because of a business venture. I needed to get a year under my belt and i have it now. I will make you a little side wager. Vick like Kobe is guilty as hell but Vick like Kobe is another player who does what the NFL tells him. He won't get one second of time just like Kobe. Now someone like Pete Rose who was such an intense player, gambled on his own and this is a very big no no in the world of sports, and that is why Rose should stop wasting his breath because they will never ever let him back in. my last point about Vick, to me he is a very good quarterback but when like last year he string's three good games in a row people start loading up on him. I go the other way because i know this crook like the back of my hand and in that year long thread of Mully's you will see that i bet Detroit over Atlanta the time Vick won those three straight. He went out and did what he always does and fumbles and throw interceptions when a ton of money is bet on him. Hey its my opinion and i know im taking on a gorilla trying to prove this because this hurts guys feelings to hear that some of there athletes are on the take. When i was big into this years back i did script a game for everyone who doubted me on another site. It went just like i said and you know what the guys said? That i just got lucky. I think two out of fifty said "guys give the guy a little credit" If you want i will show you something that is amazing that i did in that Mully thread and that worked like clockwork. It involves the Bengals. (grammar and spelling not reviewed)
I already said that I know this kind of thing happens from time to time, but you haven't explained any of the comments I made about the referees in that series. And Lebron's last 29 points weren't all uncontested dunks as you incorrectly implied, I watched the game, don't tell me what I saw. If Lebron doesn't make some incredible jump shots, they lose the game...period.
Regardless, I'll entertain your theory long enough to ask you a few questions...
Your claim is that Detroit layed over for the NBA gods and Lebron...why would the Pistons (or some of the Pistons) mail it in for the playoffs and lose on purpose?
Are you actually saying the NBA gods are sending these guys checks every time they take a dive in a game or series? These guys make a ton of money anyway, why would they sabotage their team and their entire season for a few extra bucks?
Most of these guys have too much pride to take a dive, and I've never heard any NBA player (past or present) say they were offered a bribe by the NBA gods but turned it down for the love of the game. And if some of the guys on the team were mailing it in, while the others were not, the honest ones would figure it out pretty quik. This is not boxing where you can pay off one guy to make the fix, there are too many poeple involved in an NBA game to make a fix work without someone honest finding out about it.
I'm sure from time to time you have one or two guys on a team (or a referee) shaving points in a game, but to think the majority of the NBA is in on these fixes is absurd.
If this sh*t happens all the time, why were Barkley, Miller, and Smith so surprised that Detroit was "playing Lebron soft"...? As many years as those guys played in the NBA, surely they fixed hundreds of games themselves, right?. So why were they so surprised that Detroit played Lebron soft?
Wait, let me guess, they were just pretending to be surprised...lol
If the NBA is full of fixes, and Barkley, Miller, Smith know about it and are trying to keep it quiet, why would they bring up Detroit playing Lebron soft which raises questions of their league being fixed? If they were trying to keep the fix on the down-low, they wouldn't have questioned Detroit for playing Lebron soft, they would have said Lebron just had a great game and moved on.
Regardless, I'll entertain your theory long enough to ask you a few questions...
Your claim is that Detroit layed over for the NBA gods and Lebron...why would the Pistons (or some of the Pistons) mail it in for the playoffs and lose on purpose?
Are you actually saying the NBA gods are sending these guys checks every time they take a dive in a game or series? These guys make a ton of money anyway, why would they sabotage their team and their entire season for a few extra bucks?
Most of these guys have too much pride to take a dive, and I've never heard any NBA player (past or present) say they were offered a bribe by the NBA gods but turned it down for the love of the game. And if some of the guys on the team were mailing it in, while the others were not, the honest ones would figure it out pretty quik. This is not boxing where you can pay off one guy to make the fix, there are too many poeple involved in an NBA game to make a fix work without someone honest finding out about it.
I'm sure from time to time you have one or two guys on a team (or a referee) shaving points in a game, but to think the majority of the NBA is in on these fixes is absurd.
If this sh*t happens all the time, why were Barkley, Miller, and Smith so surprised that Detroit was "playing Lebron soft"...? As many years as those guys played in the NBA, surely they fixed hundreds of games themselves, right?. So why were they so surprised that Detroit played Lebron soft?
Wait, let me guess, they were just pretending to be surprised...lol
If the NBA is full of fixes, and Barkley, Miller, Smith know about it and are trying to keep it quiet, why would they bring up Detroit playing Lebron soft which raises questions of their league being fixed? If they were trying to keep the fix on the down-low, they wouldn't have questioned Detroit for playing Lebron soft, they would have said Lebron just had a great game and moved on.
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No box you are turning this into a circus now just like others do. Not one of those three guys i ever thought did what the NBA would tell them but i can give you a list on who does if you like. Its not that hard Box. You see a mysterious line where you know a ton of cash is on one side and if that team loses see who does what at the end of a game. Then do it again with the same team and i bet it s the same guy. You only need a point guard and the refs. But box there are guys touting James like he is the next Jordan. Guys i believe did shady things in there carreer like Marc Jackson. Box can you answer me a question? Why did Marc Cuban go on ESPN and say the NBA is fixed and he also said before each game the ref's get notes on how to call the game that night? Why would they need something like that? Why did, and this was recently, Grant Hill say that it is common knowledge around the league that when the league wants a series to go seven games you will see a certain ref doing a game to get that series to go seven? These are not my words box. As for your comment on why the Pistons Layed down? Because it is all about promoting Lebron. they all didn't lay down but 2 i know of did. You don't need all five. As for making a ton of money? Phil Knight of Nilke made 50 million here and moved his company overseas to make 200 million. Im not saying it is a money thing either. But i have see a lot of athletes do some strange thingss after signing there second contract. Is it built in that contract? I don't know. Is it stashed somewhere else? I don't know but what i do know is that a lot of guys i felt did what the league wanted them to have Jobs after there career is done and mostly in announcing. Miller, Magic, Barkley, Bird and Jordan, Iverson etc i never felt were told what to do. Dennis Johnson who recently passed was one of my favorite NBA boys but nobody was as obvious as Marc Jackson. Do i think Lebron is on the take? Not at all. Shack? Nope. Wade? Nope. Now Kobe, Tmac, Duncan, Kidd and Billups are all NBA boys. There is no need to go on with this because one of your comments shows me even if one of these guys told you they fix games you still wouldn't believe it. Look if you have questions about my thoughts just number them about three or four at a time. We are both writing post to long to answer all the questions. (grammar and spelling not reviewed)
Those are the questions I want you to answer, b/c that series is the only one I'm questioning...
Btw, as added to my above reply, Lebron's last 29 points were not all uncontested dunks, if he doesn't make several long jump shots including the off-balance 3 pointer, the Cavs lose that game regardless of who was on the take
Okay Box if you watch the Wallace play again that was a flop and Vareso is know for that and everyone said that. Wallace must have the strongest elbow in the world because that was like he got shot out of a cannon. This can address both questions. Who cares when they win the series. Im sure the NBA if they know they got this in the bag, six games is better that four. The reason it didn't go to seven is because it would have been to obvious because it would be the last game a closeout game, to risky. This team the Cavs freaking stinks and the NBA knows it but they have an agenda? As for why Hamilton wasn't called for a foul? Is that how you want your superstar in the making, to win the game? Foul shots? They are promoting him and they don't want to hear people saying "the Cavs won because of a cheap call" that is no way you want to promote your superstar. When you know you have a point guard who is a very good one at that, controlling the game, you can win any game you want. When Detroit would fall behind Billups would hit a three but once Detroit got a lead it was always him throwing the ball away? Missing shots which are just like turnovers. If Cleveland wasn't so terrible he would have had twice as many turnovers. Here is another thought that i would believe till i die. In this league its now the nice guy that wins. It started with Shack. The NBA loved him and to me the only title he really won was the one against Philly. The it was Duncan. Then it was Larry Brown then Wade and now Lebron. All guys that stayed out of Trouble. There was a time i thought they were Pushing Iverson but after that big fiasco with his wife he wont ever win again especially now he is with that thug Carmelo. Kobe, he wont win shit now because of that rape. The NBA loves to promote guys and its all Lebron now and don't be surprised if they lose this series they make a one sided block buster trade next year kinda like Detroit did to get Wallace to put them over the top for good ole Larry Brown. If you remember Brown bolted the next year and there was talk about him going to Cleveland. Brown is a snake oil sales men and knew what was coming down the road. (grammaar and spelling not reviewed)
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If they wanted Lebron to win, they would make it happen, not be choosing how it happened knowing Detriot was about to go up 2-0
Anyway, I'm not sure if it was at the end of regulation or the end of the first overtime, but Detroit was down 2 points with hardly any time left, Billips goes to the line and makes two huge freethrows to tie the game. If he missed either one of those, the game was over, Cavs win. If Billips was on the take as you suggest, he would've missed the 2nd free throw on purpose
Anyway, I'm not sure if it was at the end of regulation or the end of the first overtime, but Detroit was down 2 points with hardly any time left, Billips goes to the line and makes two huge freethrows to tie the game. If he missed either one of those, the game was over, Cavs win. If Billips was on the take as you suggest, he would've missed the 2nd free throw on purpose
Box maybe they wanted the spread in that game i can't get it all to the exact tee. I remember that game i was really surprised at some of the things that were happening. I also remember that play but im sure if you go deeper in that game he did something. I think that is the only game where he wasn't totally to blame and that is when Rip comes in. Now on your theory about ending it early well when i saw how this series was going after two games i was gonna take Cleveland for the series but both my books didn't offer it to me. I wasn't worried after watching those two games. When it was two one Detroit i then got a bet in on it and if i could have bet 500 i would have but i was only allowed to bet 300. I also like i said bet Cleveland 6 straight times in that series and im sure not many people in the world did that and i only did it because of what i talked about tonight. Here is the wager on the series
Jun 02/0711:43p
76421907 Settled Single #76421907 (Win)
Basketball - Futures (Game) Moneyline
SERIES PRICES - CONFERENCE FINALS - (Best of seven 2-2-1-1-1)
(881) Cleveland Cavaliers (Series Prices) +400, Tue@8:00p (Win)
Detroit leads the series 2-1
Risked $300.00 to win $1,200.00
Congrats on the nice win Sponge
The Billips free throws were at the end of game 5, so if Detroit wins they go up 3-2 and the fix is in trouble needing 2 straight Cavs wins. If Billips was gonna blow it on purpose, that was the time...
Like I said, I know this kind of sh*t happens all the time, I just watched most of that series and there were plenty of examples to disprove the conspiracy theory. No big deal, and no hard feelings, just a typical discussion between degenerates
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The Billips free throws were at the end of game 5, so if Detroit wins they go up 3-2 and the fix is in trouble needing 2 straight Cavs wins. If Billips was gonna blow it on purpose, that was the time...
Like I said, I know this kind of sh*t happens all the time, I just watched most of that series and there were plenty of examples to disprove the conspiracy theory. No big deal, and no hard feelings, just a typical discussion between degenerates
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Box i quite capping for four years because of a business venture i took up. Just didn't have the time. This is my first love because to me its all about handicapping the linesmakers. I finally stepped up and now am doing something where i don't have to rely on others. This is not easy at all and if everything was fixed everyone would figure it out. I have about a year under my belt now and still trying to get the bugs out. I appreciate what you do in the boxing thread because to me you work hard at it. I chart almost everything i do on paper. You wouldn't believe the notes i have. I take this stuff very seriously and just want to kick myself in the ass when i make a dumb mistake. I couldn't believe the run i was on up to the college tourney. I won 20 out of 23 weeks and the three i lost two were small and one was about two grand. It was like i never left but i got cocky. My best time of the year is the College tourney and i thought i was gonna waalk right thru it. I basically broke even or probably lost a little but i was making mistakes like i did when i was a kid. I went in a three week slump and guess what i needed it. It made me realize this is no joke. I will never get in that situation again. Getting cocky that is. I always say the best thing about losing is learning. Hey in my early years i use to live check to check to pay my book. I ran up a credit card and i even remember borrowing 2500 off of someone to pay the book. Those days are over and that is because I took a very hard look at this. Took time off from betting and just watched. I know one thing the way i think now is a lot more profitable than it was back 20 years ago thinking this stuff was all legit. Well thanks for at least listening because a typical response from people who completely refuse to believe what im saying is to run to a moderator and cry foul. Trust me that has happen to me more than once.
