Broncos Send Cutler To Chicago...
- Thread starter AR182
- Start date
Lets not forget the Bears were awarded a 3rd round pick in this years draft last week, as compensation for losing Bernard Berrian to free agency last year. That was an absolute gift considering the history of compensatory picks.
So, they still have a 3rd round pick this year (#99). What do you need Orton for if you Cutler? So, in my stained eyes, it looks to be two first rounders for Cutler and a 5th....
So, they still have a 3rd round pick this year (#99). What do you need Orton for if you Cutler? So, in my stained eyes, it looks to be two first rounders for Cutler and a 5th....
If I were the Vikes I would of tried to make the same deal. Chilly didn't like Cutler's attitude, gave him a red flag. Well Chilly your horseshit offense and Quarterback selection over the past 3 years has given me a BIG RED FLAG. Gt out of town you fucking BUMB! In no way do I think the Bears gave up too much.. Many of these picks don't pan out.. Teams can fill needs via free agency too. People said that the Vikes gave up too much for Allen last year with a #1 and #3 pick going to the Chiefs. Bottom line is the Vikes could of given the cheifs their whole draft last year because they drafted maybe one player with the rest of those picks who maybe on the team this year
I think it is a great trade for the Bears, keep in mind I am an outsider to this team or division. I could care less one way or the other, but assuming Cutler does what is expected the draft pick next year would be in the 20's and doesn't guarantee a thing.
Denver is going to stink, marginal QB and RB, porous defense, and new coach, good luck.
jr11
Denver is going to stink, marginal QB and RB, porous defense, and new coach, good luck.
jr11
I think it's a great trade, the Bears screw up their 1st rd pick every year, here's the list from the past 12 years:
2008 14 Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt
2007 31 Greg Olsen TE Miami (Fla.)
2006 No Pick --
2005 4 Cedric Benson RB Texas
2004 14 Tommie Harris DT Oklahoma
2003 14 Michael Haynes DE Penn
2003 22 Rex Grossman QB Florida
2002 29 Marc Colombo T BoCollege
2001 8 David Terrell WR Michigan
2000 9 Brian Urlacher MLB
1999 12 Cade McNown QB UCLA
1998 5 Curtis Enis RB
So I don't think they overpaid, b/c whoever they drafted in the 1st rd this yr or next yr will have no where near the impact that Cutler will have.
2008 14 Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt
2007 31 Greg Olsen TE Miami (Fla.)
2006 No Pick --
2005 4 Cedric Benson RB Texas
2004 14 Tommie Harris DT Oklahoma
2003 14 Michael Haynes DE Penn
2003 22 Rex Grossman QB Florida
2002 29 Marc Colombo T BoCollege
2001 8 David Terrell WR Michigan
2000 9 Brian Urlacher MLB
1999 12 Cade McNown QB UCLA
1998 5 Curtis Enis RB
So I don't think they overpaid, b/c whoever they drafted in the 1st rd this yr or next yr will have no where near the impact that Cutler will have.
First off, I'll need a new AVATAR (fuk)...
Now (take a breath)...as I see it, Denver needed to get Cutler out of there. It was an unfortunate situation brought on by McDouche and Bowlen. Had they been honest and up front this moght not have happend, but it did and they had to move on as Gutless, didn't want to play there (or did he??? he's got mental issues as well)....
So, they got rid of him, and got Orton which McDouche will try to get to learn the dunk and dink system that works so well with the Pats. Keep in mind Orton has some weapons to throw to--although Marshall had hip surgery yesterday and has impending meeting with NFL commish and could miss up to half the season suspended. He has Royal and Scheff to throw to still, BUT DENVER HAS MANY HOLES TO FILL...
They would have missed the playoffs again this year as they can't beat SD and would of been hard pressed to make it as a wild card team as I just don't think they would have won more than 7 games WITH CUTLER this year. Their D is horrendous...So now they rebulid a team and look to the future and with 4 first round picks the next two years and this year's draft also includes 10+ picks if my memory serves me right. I don't think they trade up to get Sanchez. If he is there at 12 they may grab him, but I don't think he will be and they need to use those draft picks to get some Defense...Defense wins Championships still imo...
As a fan (since 78) I am resigned to the fact "we" will be terrible for the next couple years. We need a RB, some D linemen, obviously a QB now, etc...lots of holes, but I am hoping McDouche learned something from Belicheat while there (and not the cheating part) as far as drafts go.
I understand the jubilation of Bears fans, but who will he throw to? They have some questions on the O-Line which is why they got Pace, but he's over the hill. He won't be the gunslinger he was in Denver and that may be hard for him as he loves to throw (sometimes too much---see TD to int rate for his career so far). Plus the Bears are now out of draft picks which to fill their holes...
I could go on and on and on, but I feel much better today than I did yesterday and can do nothing but hope that McDouche and company can turn things around in Denver. They have not been good for years so waiting a couple more is not so hard.
Now, what to do with that avatar...
Now (take a breath)...as I see it, Denver needed to get Cutler out of there. It was an unfortunate situation brought on by McDouche and Bowlen. Had they been honest and up front this moght not have happend, but it did and they had to move on as Gutless, didn't want to play there (or did he??? he's got mental issues as well)....
So, they got rid of him, and got Orton which McDouche will try to get to learn the dunk and dink system that works so well with the Pats. Keep in mind Orton has some weapons to throw to--although Marshall had hip surgery yesterday and has impending meeting with NFL commish and could miss up to half the season suspended. He has Royal and Scheff to throw to still, BUT DENVER HAS MANY HOLES TO FILL...
They would have missed the playoffs again this year as they can't beat SD and would of been hard pressed to make it as a wild card team as I just don't think they would have won more than 7 games WITH CUTLER this year. Their D is horrendous...So now they rebulid a team and look to the future and with 4 first round picks the next two years and this year's draft also includes 10+ picks if my memory serves me right. I don't think they trade up to get Sanchez. If he is there at 12 they may grab him, but I don't think he will be and they need to use those draft picks to get some Defense...Defense wins Championships still imo...
As a fan (since 78) I am resigned to the fact "we" will be terrible for the next couple years. We need a RB, some D linemen, obviously a QB now, etc...lots of holes, but I am hoping McDouche learned something from Belicheat while there (and not the cheating part) as far as drafts go.
I understand the jubilation of Bears fans, but who will he throw to? They have some questions on the O-Line which is why they got Pace, but he's over the hill. He won't be the gunslinger he was in Denver and that may be hard for him as he loves to throw (sometimes too much---see TD to int rate for his career so far). Plus the Bears are now out of draft picks which to fill their holes...
I could go on and on and on, but I feel much better today than I did yesterday and can do nothing but hope that McDouche and company can turn things around in Denver. They have not been good for years so waiting a couple more is not so hard.
Now, what to do with that avatar...
dr. feelgood...
i understand your frustration...been there with my giants....but i think the broncos did very well in the trade...
why can't mcdaniel do to orton what he did with cassell, who i think didn't throw a pass in the nfl...? wasn't orton rated higher coming out of college than cassell ? also from what i have read, orton was very highly thought of in the bears locker room...at worse,i think orton will be a good stop gap....plus they have 4 first round picks over the next 2 years...although there may be a temporary step back for the broncs,i think they will be fine...
i understand your frustration...been there with my giants....but i think the broncos did very well in the trade...
why can't mcdaniel do to orton what he did with cassell, who i think didn't throw a pass in the nfl...? wasn't orton rated higher coming out of college than cassell ? also from what i have read, orton was very highly thought of in the bears locker room...at worse,i think orton will be a good stop gap....plus they have 4 first round picks over the next 2 years...although there may be a temporary step back for the broncs,i think they will be fine...
draft picks are the foundation to success in the nfl...no question about that in my view...
ditka was out of his mind when he made that trade for ricky williams...& by trading herchel walker for all of those draft picks excelerated the cowboys to a championship team...even jimmy johnson said that trade made the cowboys what they were in the 90's...
the bottom line is that all that matters is if the bears think they did well with the trade.....
like all trades...time will tell...
d. feelgood..read this...
d. feelgood..read this...
fwwi...this article pretty much matches my opinion about the trade....
Hard to believe Broncos' great fortune
If Denver uses picks wisely, Cutler trade could turn out to be a steal
By Tom E. Curran
NBCSports.com
Well, it certainly seems like the Denver Broncos have made chicken salad out of a chicken-bleep situation.
Sending Jay Cutler ? a guy they no longer had any use or respect for ? to the Bears for a first-round pick this year? And another one next year? And a third-round pick? And a quarterback named Kyle Orton who may not be a superstar but is more than serviceable?
Josh McDaniels may make it to Thanksgiving with his job intact after all.
Story continues below ↓advertisement | your ad here
Depending upon how Denver uses these picks, this deal could wind up as a mini-version of the Herschel Walker trade from 1989. That deal between the Cowboys and Vikings wound up being the springboard for the Dallas dynasty of the early 90s. This one ? while not as large in volume (18 players moved in that deal) ? has the potential to make as important an impact.
You just don?t see deals in which multiple first-rounders move with only one player and a low-round pick (a fifth-rounder this year) coming back. Never mind the fact that it?s two first-rounders AND a third AND a starter.
All for a quarterback who?s got a record of 17-20 in the NFL, has shown questionable maturity over the past month and has tender feelings that are easily ruffled. Did the Bears fully vet Cutler before making this deal? Could they have? Will they now be on the other end of a Bus Cook stickup as he looks for a new deal from his client who?s been through oh, so much?
That?s not Denver?s problem.
The Broncos are suddenly sitting somewhat pretty. They have the 12th- and 18th-overall picks in this month?s draft. It?s not beyond the pale to think they might be able to get either Mark Sanchez or Josh Freeman with one of those picks and let him understudy beneath Orton for a season. Or, if they feel sold on Orton by the time the draft comes, they can key in on their woebegone defense and get that spruced up.
Overall, they have picks Nos. 12, 18, 48, 79 and 84 on the first day. And that fifth-rounder they sent Chicago? They had a spare.
There?s not doubt a segment of Colorado is pretty peeved at their football team right now. They?ve watched enough Cutler to know that he seems very skilled. They?ve been told how strong his arm is, how he makes all the throws, that he?s tough, and on and on. It?s not going to be easy for them to just push that plate away and start spoonfeeding themselves Kyle Orton.
But the two kids have more in common than horrible haircuts. Quietly, Orton turned into a pretty good quarterback for the Bears last year, going 9-6 as the starter and throwing 18 touchdowns and 12 picks. And while a quarterback's record isn't as important as a starting pitcher's, Orton's 21-12 as a starter.
Perhaps more importantly, he had to compete to earn his job with Chicago. That gives a player a certain toughness. And he?s also got the motivating fact of the Bears sending not just him but those draft picks to Denver in exchange for Cutler. What could be sweeter for Orton than outplaying Cutler going forward? And with young Ryan Clady protecting his blindside and wideouts Eddie Royal and Brandon Marshall running routes for him, that?s not a stretch.
Meanwhile, the Bears have rolled the dice. GM Jerry Angelo, head coach Lovie Smith and team president Ted Phillips put their necks on the line for the mercurial Cutler in the same way the brass up in Buffalo did for Terrell Owens. Another season of mediocrity may have meant their jobs anyway, what good do future draft picks do them? Push the chips into the middle of the table, put your forehead in your palms and hope very, very hard. That?s what the Bears brass will be doing in 2009.
d. feelgood..read this...
fwwi...this article pretty much matches my opinion about the trade....
Hard to believe Broncos' great fortune
If Denver uses picks wisely, Cutler trade could turn out to be a steal
By Tom E. Curran
NBCSports.com
Well, it certainly seems like the Denver Broncos have made chicken salad out of a chicken-bleep situation.
Sending Jay Cutler ? a guy they no longer had any use or respect for ? to the Bears for a first-round pick this year? And another one next year? And a third-round pick? And a quarterback named Kyle Orton who may not be a superstar but is more than serviceable?
Josh McDaniels may make it to Thanksgiving with his job intact after all.
Story continues below ↓advertisement | your ad here
Depending upon how Denver uses these picks, this deal could wind up as a mini-version of the Herschel Walker trade from 1989. That deal between the Cowboys and Vikings wound up being the springboard for the Dallas dynasty of the early 90s. This one ? while not as large in volume (18 players moved in that deal) ? has the potential to make as important an impact.
You just don?t see deals in which multiple first-rounders move with only one player and a low-round pick (a fifth-rounder this year) coming back. Never mind the fact that it?s two first-rounders AND a third AND a starter.
All for a quarterback who?s got a record of 17-20 in the NFL, has shown questionable maturity over the past month and has tender feelings that are easily ruffled. Did the Bears fully vet Cutler before making this deal? Could they have? Will they now be on the other end of a Bus Cook stickup as he looks for a new deal from his client who?s been through oh, so much?
That?s not Denver?s problem.
The Broncos are suddenly sitting somewhat pretty. They have the 12th- and 18th-overall picks in this month?s draft. It?s not beyond the pale to think they might be able to get either Mark Sanchez or Josh Freeman with one of those picks and let him understudy beneath Orton for a season. Or, if they feel sold on Orton by the time the draft comes, they can key in on their woebegone defense and get that spruced up.
Overall, they have picks Nos. 12, 18, 48, 79 and 84 on the first day. And that fifth-rounder they sent Chicago? They had a spare.
There?s not doubt a segment of Colorado is pretty peeved at their football team right now. They?ve watched enough Cutler to know that he seems very skilled. They?ve been told how strong his arm is, how he makes all the throws, that he?s tough, and on and on. It?s not going to be easy for them to just push that plate away and start spoonfeeding themselves Kyle Orton.
But the two kids have more in common than horrible haircuts. Quietly, Orton turned into a pretty good quarterback for the Bears last year, going 9-6 as the starter and throwing 18 touchdowns and 12 picks. And while a quarterback's record isn't as important as a starting pitcher's, Orton's 21-12 as a starter.
Perhaps more importantly, he had to compete to earn his job with Chicago. That gives a player a certain toughness. And he?s also got the motivating fact of the Bears sending not just him but those draft picks to Denver in exchange for Cutler. What could be sweeter for Orton than outplaying Cutler going forward? And with young Ryan Clady protecting his blindside and wideouts Eddie Royal and Brandon Marshall running routes for him, that?s not a stretch.
Meanwhile, the Bears have rolled the dice. GM Jerry Angelo, head coach Lovie Smith and team president Ted Phillips put their necks on the line for the mercurial Cutler in the same way the brass up in Buffalo did for Terrell Owens. Another season of mediocrity may have meant their jobs anyway, what good do future draft picks do them? Push the chips into the middle of the table, put your forehead in your palms and hope very, very hard. That?s what the Bears brass will be doing in 2009.
one thing to think about
there will be a very strong group of QB in next years draft.
Could be Denver thinking about waiting on the QB
I would
there will be a very strong group of QB in next years draft.
Could be Denver thinking about waiting on the QB
I would
Scotty,
Like I mentioned, they are not going QB this year unless Sanchez drops to 12 and I don't think he does. Even if he does they still don't go for him IMO..
McDouche wanted Orton and I feel he sticks with him at least for this year. Everything i have read and heard about him sounds like he is a decent option anyway.
Like I mentioned, they are not going QB this year unless Sanchez drops to 12 and I don't think he does. Even if he does they still don't go for him IMO..
McDouche wanted Orton and I feel he sticks with him at least for this year. Everything i have read and heard about him sounds like he is a decent option anyway.
funny how good kyle orton has become now that he's been traded.
the guy might flourish in a true west coast dink and dunk system but he cant his the broadside of a barn throwing the ball downfield....as inaccurate as they come.
yes, draftpicks are the foundation of success.....but their success rate drops significantly each round...giving up #18 (say we were taking o-line in ebbon britton or oher) + say next years #1 (in the low 20's) for Jay Cutler???? i'd do that deal every day if i were the bears.
now swapping a 3rd for a 5th.....big deal......thirds and fifths have almost the same success rate
and to say the bears have no picks this year?
ummm, they have 8 total picks......2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 7th and to say there is nobody for Cutler to throw to??? Maybe not yet, but Hester, Olson, Clark + cutler's fav target in college earl bennett is a decent start....throw in a signing of holt, harrison or burris......all of a sudden there are weapons all over the place.
just think trading a pro bowl, young top 10 qb in his prime for draft picks, without a top 10 qb waiting in the wings is a HORRIBLE decision.
the guy might flourish in a true west coast dink and dunk system but he cant his the broadside of a barn throwing the ball downfield....as inaccurate as they come.
yes, draftpicks are the foundation of success.....but their success rate drops significantly each round...giving up #18 (say we were taking o-line in ebbon britton or oher) + say next years #1 (in the low 20's) for Jay Cutler???? i'd do that deal every day if i were the bears.
now swapping a 3rd for a 5th.....big deal......thirds and fifths have almost the same success rate
and to say the bears have no picks this year?
ummm, they have 8 total picks......2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 7th and to say there is nobody for Cutler to throw to??? Maybe not yet, but Hester, Olson, Clark + cutler's fav target in college earl bennett is a decent start....throw in a signing of holt, harrison or burris......all of a sudden there are weapons all over the place.
just think trading a pro bowl, young top 10 qb in his prime for draft picks, without a top 10 qb waiting in the wings is a HORRIBLE decision.
don't get me wrong, i think the bears had to make the trade just like the giants had to make the trade for eli...when a team needs a qb & identifies somebody who they think will be a franchised qb...they have to pull the trigger......and as i thought with the giants, i think the bears gave up too much...& since the broncs had their backs against the wall, i think they did very well in this trade....
this trade, as with other trades, will be graded in a few years.....since they have a new coach & are changing their defense (going to a 3-4), denver will take a step or two back before they go forward...while chicago should do very well in the beginning....that is provided they get some offensive help....
boy, i love talking about football !!
this trade, as with other trades, will be graded in a few years.....since they have a new coach & are changing their defense (going to a 3-4), denver will take a step or two back before they go forward...while chicago should do very well in the beginning....that is provided they get some offensive help....
boy, i love talking about football !!
Last edited:
its immpossible to have given up too much when that player leads you to a super bowl win.
draft picks are great. immeidate impact players, especially quarterbacks, are WAYYY more valuable
agree with i.e......i think this makes da` bears the prohibitive fave in their division....pushes them ahead of the vikes and the pack....
glad the skins didn`t get him...these s.o.b.`s have the most amazingly elastic salary cap in history....how they keep fitting these gi-normous contracts under their cap is baffling(to say the least)...
a guy with a howitzer for an arm is a perfect fit for those windy conditions...
Last edited:
