Buchanan: Who's Planning Our Next War?

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Who's Planning Our Next War?

by Patrick J. Buchanan

Of the Axis-of-Evil nations named in his State of the Union in 2002, President Bush has often said, "The United States will not permit the world's most dangerous regimes to threaten us with the world's most destructive weapons."

He failed with North Korea. Will he accept failure in Iran, though there is no hard evidence Iran has an active nuclear weapons program?

William Kristol of The Weekly Standard said Sunday a U.S. attack on Iran after the election is more likely should Barack Obama win. Presumably, Bush would trust John McCain to keep Iran nuclear free.

Yet, to start a third war in the Middle East against a nation three times as large as Iraq, and leave it to a new president to fight, would be a daylight hijacking of the congressional war power and a criminally irresponsible act. For Congress alone has the power to authorize war.

Yet Israel is even today pushing Bush into a pre-emptive war with a naked threat to attack Iran itself should Bush refuse the cup.

In April, Israel held a five-day civil defense drill. In June, Israel sent 100 F-15s and F-16s, with refueling tankers and helicopters to pick up downed pilots, toward Greece in a simulated attack, a dress rehearsal for war. The planes flew 1,400 kilometers, the distance to Iran's uranium enrichment facility at Natanz.

Ehud Olmert came home from a June meeting with Bush to tell Israelis: "We reached agreement on the need to take care of the Iranian threat. ... I left with a lot less question marks regarding the means, the timetable restrictions and American resoluteness. ...

"George Bush understands the severity of the Iranian threat and the need to vanquish it, and intends to act on the matter before the end of his term. ... The Iranian problem requires urgent attention, and I see no reason to delay this just because there will be a new president in the White House seven and a half months from now."

If Bush is discussing war on Iran with Ehud Olmert, why is he not discussing it with Congress or the nation?

On June 6, Deputy Prime Minister Shaul Mofaz threatened, "If Iran continues its nuclear weapons program, we will attack it." The price of oil shot up 9 percent.

Is Israel bluffing ? or planning to attack Iran if America balks?

Previous air strikes on the PLO command in Tunis, on the Osirak reactor in Iraq and on the presumed nuclear reactor site in Syria last September give Israel a high degree of credibility.

Still, attacking Iran would be no piece of cake.

Israel lacks the stealth and cruise-missile capacity to degrade Iran's air defenses systematically and no longer has the element of surprise. Israeli planes and pilots would likely be lost.

Israel also lacks the ability to stay over the target or conduct follow-up strikes. The U.S. Air Force bombed Iraq for five weeks with hundreds of daily runs in 1991 before Gen. Schwarzkopf moved.

Moreover, if Iran has achieved the capacity to enrich uranium, she has surely moved centrifuges to parts of the country that Israel cannot reach ? and can probably replicate anything lost.

Israel would also have to over-fly Turkey, or Syria and U.S.-occupied Iraq, or Saudi Arabia to reach Natanz. Turks, Syrians and Saudis would deny Israel permission and might resist. For the U.S. military to let Israel over-fly Iraq would make us an accomplice. How would that sit with the Europeans who are supporting our sanctions on Iran and want the nuclear issue settled diplomatically?

And who can predict with certitude how Iran would respond?

Would Iran attack Israel with rockets, inviting retaliation with Jericho and cruise missiles from Israeli submarines? Would she close the Gulf with suicide-boat attacks on tankers and U.S. warships?

With oil at $135 a barrel, Israeli air strikes on Iran would seem to ensure a 2,000-point drop in the Dow and a world recession.

What would Hamas, Hezbollah and Syria do? All three are now in indirect negotiations with Israel. U.S. forces in Afghanistan and Iraq could be made by Iran to pay a high price in blood that could force the United States to initiate its own air war in retaliation, and to finish a war Israel had begun. But a U.S. war on Iran is not a decision Bush can outsource to Ehud Olmert.

Tuesday, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Adm. Michael Mullins left for Israel. CBS News cited U.S. officials as conceding the trip comes "just as the Israelis are mounting a full court press to get the Bush administration to strike Iran's nuclear complex."

Vice President Cheney is said to favor U.S. strikes. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and Mullins are said to be opposed.

Moving through Congress, powered by the Israeli lobby, is House Resolution 362, which demands that President Bush impose a U.S. blockade of Iran, an act of war.

Is it not time the American people were consulted on the next war that is being planned for us?

June 27, 2008
 

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This article presents a problem for the usual suspects because it's written by Pat Buchanan. I doubt there will be many comments.

Now, if you had pulled it from a blogger on Daily Kos, all hell would break loose.
 

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This article presents a problem for the usual suspects because it's written by Pat Buchanan. I doubt there will be many comments.

Now, if you had pulled it from a blogger on Daily Kos, all hell would break loose.

pat buchanan is a basket case...a nutjob...much like ron paul...

you think any legit conservatives pay one iota of attention to this anti-semitic moron?....


unless it`s not the same patrick j. buchanan that was running interference for hitler and blaming poland for ww2 in his last book(it wasn`t hitler that killed those jews...it`s was the bullets and the gas)....


buchanan is to conservatives what "stepin fetchit" was to the civil rights movement...


:rolleyes: :142smilie
 
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This article presents a problem for the usual suspects because it's written by Pat Buchanan. I doubt there will be many comments.

Now, if you had pulled it from a blogger on Daily Kos, all hell would break loose.

That, of course, since all that are right of the "center" are "war mongerers".... I guess. They should get more in touch with their femenine side.

I think Buchanan is brilliant in most cases, and I even support to a great extent his isolationism. I'm not for pre-emptive action on Iran, but we will probably have to have post-emoptive action there one day soon.
What's a few hundred thousand lives among friends.
Bottom line, if they didn't have oil they would be irrelevant. Let's DRILL......... and find some REAL alternative energy sources.
 

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but we will probably have to have post-emoptive action there one day soon.
What's a few hundred thousand lives among friends.
Bottom line, if they didn't have oil they would be irrelevant. Let's DRILL......... and find some REAL alternative energy sources.

This is what I don't get. Why do you think 'post-emptive' action will have to happen one day soon?

Post what?

Do you really think they will attack Israel?

And 'a few hundred thousand lives?' In what scenario are you picturing this happening?

I agree about drilling and alternative sources, but I don't believe our posturing with Iran would be much different if they didn't have oil.

It's just that because they do have oil(and essentially the ability to strangle the Strait of Hormuz) that any pre-emptive attack would be disastrous.

We trade nuke technology with India, who is not part of the NPT, yet threaten Iran, who is. Let alone our own intelligence services determined that they stopped their weapons program 5 years ago.

I mean, our country does not exist in a vacuum, and I rarely have a hard time imagining what I would be thinking if I was a citizen of another country. (there's a softball pitch for ya, weasel)
 

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pat buchanan is a basket case...a nutjob...much like ron paul...

you think any legit conservatives pay one iota of attention to this anti-semitic moron?....


unless it`s not the same patrick j. buchanan that was running interference for hitler and blaming poland for ww2 in his last book(it wasn`t hitler that killed those jews...it`s was the bullets and the gas)....


buchanan is to conservatives what "stepin fetchit" was to the civil rights movement...


:rolleyes: :142smilie


A basketcase, huh?

I'd be willing to bet that you had a lot different opinion of him about 5 years ago, before he started criticizing this administration.

I'd also bet that many more 'conservatives' share nosigars opinion of him, than yours.
 

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he`s always been the crazy uncle...

as i said in stw`s thread..they can strangle the straits after their nuclear facility is "hamstrung"(and it`ll be by israel...not the u.s).....or after they have the ability to extort and blackmail the region by flexing their nuclear muscle.....

think about saddam and kuwait...how much different that scenario would have been if saddam had nukes instead of scuds.....

think about how little leverage we`ve had in dealing with n.korea...we`re scared to death that they`re a legit threat to s. korea and japan...

both leaders are crazy...

i`m more afraid of the religious fanatic and their belief in the 12th imam and baseline hatred of israel and the west...of their abilty to use proxies(terrorists) to implement their attacks...actually,we just found out that the nuclear facility that israel bombed in syria was built with n. korean technology and assistance..

i know...dinnerjacket`s not stupid...he doesn`t believe he can wipe out america...israel?....i don`t know...how crazy is he?...and would an obama administration retaliate on iran if they obliterated israel?....

i don`t know...i kind of doubt it,regardless of what he says..

one thing`s for sure....he(achmadinejhad) banks on the diminution of the american will to oppose him....as we see the spytheweb`s try and accompklish on this very board...

that is, maybe not a world without america...but,he`d settle , at least in the short run, for a world without much american influence....

all the while with a nuclear threat,increasing his power in the all important oil-hub of the world...

is that important?...well,yeah...when you can`t even drill on your own turf....

look at how n.korea jerks the world around...getting sweetheart deals from the clinton administration...and from what i`ve read the last few days,the bush administration`s latest deal with il is also a joke...

it`s a tough situation...when you just say,"bush wants another war",that`s silly and disingenuous and you know it...you`re doing the board a disservice and just encouraging idiots like spongy and stw...

there`s so much involved...so much at stake..
 
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Pat Buchanan is a stupid nazi who tapir has probably kissed on the lips.

Bush will not need approval from Congress if Israel attacks Iran. Because once they do that we will have no choice but to get involved.

If Iran trys to close down the oil we will bomb them totally silly and destroy everything they have that is holy.

The people in Iran are ready for changes. The US will count on the espionage we have in place to get a civil war going to change powers.

Maybe even a stratgic nuke will be used as we may have no choice.

What Israel may not realize is what would have kept Iran from buying a nuke from N Korea over the last two years. They could have got it into Iran by now already.

Iran may have it locked and loaded right now on top of a intercontinental missle.

Just waiting for any strike to occur. Iran has shown with the help of N Korea they can launch missles into orbit.

Maybe Israel is not thinking through this.

Maybe they would be safer just standing pat.

Bush will push it if he can. Bush has nothing to lose at this point. Everybody hates him anyway.

The US would also immediately take over all Iraq oil production and ship it directly to the US to keep us going. This is the big picture. Americans would say, hey maybe it wasnt so bad a idea to go into Iraq.

Bush would take total attention off the election if this happen in October.

What a crazy world we live in.
 
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ok, the usual suspects have weighed in. as always, they have nothing but illiterate ad hominem attacks.

Buchanan 1

America-hating Israel-appeasers 0
 

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ok, the usual suspects have weighed in. as always, they have nothing but illiterate ad hominem attacks.

Buchanan 1

America-hating Israel-appeasers 0
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Buchanan -2

America-hating Israel appeasers +4
 

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ok, the usual suspects have weighed in. as always, they have nothing but illiterate ad hominem attacks.

Buchanan 1

America-hating Israel-appeasers 0

jesus,tapir...how can you say i posted nothing more than an ad hominem attack?....

i disagree that buchanan is taken seriously by the mainstream right or the left... just the extremes...
 

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jesus,tapir...how can you say i posted nothing more than an ad hominem attack?....
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dont get your panties in a wad gw.

your worried about tapir telling you that you posted unworthy information :142smilie
 
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