buddy church question for you

[SixFive]

I'll single you out for 2 reasons; your obvious disdain of our the Republican party and President, GW Bush and your many posts about going to church (to which I'll elaborate that you are a Christian).

Where do your politics fit in with your religious beliefs? I can think of several stances that Gore and Kerry had that made me very unlikely to vote for them due to my Christian beliefs. Also, do you believe in the "moral majority", and if so, do u consider yourself a member of that?

Thanks in advance for the discussion.

 

[buddy]

Where do your politics fit in with your religious beliefs? I can think of several stances that Gore and Kerry had that made me very unlikely to vote for them due to my Christian beliefs. Also, do you believe in the "moral majority", and if so, do u consider yourself a member of that?

For the most part, I keep my politics to myself.

It turns me off to listen to any politician; democrat, republican, etc, because of the half truths, spin and deceptive methods used to get elected. I didn't like Clinton and this character we have now, imo, is as close to evil as anything that's ever held the presidency.

As far as the moral majority goes, I don't consider myself to be a part. I know many people who call themselves Christians who are. They've had me in discussions and I just say, "Maybe, who knows what will happen, we'll see, and one of my favorites..."Just pray and vote for the one most honest".

My involvement with the church has very much to do with my relationship with Jesus Christ. This is a relationship I treasure. Politics, moral majority, evangelical political passions all pale in comparison. Yeah...I know...Just as they do, I also believe in the same risen Saviour....but I'm old enough to know that the nature of group dynamics is that I won't agree with everyone all the time.

But like I said...for me...it's all about Jesus.

 

[SixFive]

thanks for the reply. I agree with you on several things, but I guess I'm more outspoken maybe when there are things said around me that I believe wrong.

When it gets closer to presidential election time, I'm sure there will be many discussions on stances and who is the best candidate from a Jesus standpoint. That is a heavy influence on me when I am deciding who I am going to choose.

 

[buddy]

SixFive,

I don't believe there's anything about Christianity that can satisfy the intellect. That's why I avoid those discussions. One has to "believe" there's a God. Like Happy Hippo said about Kierkegaard, "one needs a leap of faith". I believe that's true. In turn, one needs "faith" to believe what is written in the bible. Some people wrestle with this dilemma their entire life. "It doesn't make sense...It's a fairy tale...It's ridiculous", etc. Me? I was able to come to terms with this intellectual struggle. I'll just say this...I sought Jesus and I found Him.

There's a lot about Christianity that can satisfy the soul. That's why this relationship I have with Jesus is so important to me. It's spiritual. It's different than reason and logic.

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

I was going to skip on by, but talk of the "Moral Majority" really lights my fire.

mor?al[mawr-uhl, mor-]
?adjective 1. of, pertaining to, or concerned with the principles or rules of right conduct or the distinction between right and wrong

ma?jor?i?ty [muh-jawr-i-tee, -jor-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
?noun, plural -ties. 1. the greater part or number; the number larger than half the total

The moral/ethical concerns of the Moral Majority are limited to its membership (Christians). Membership has its priveleges, including an all expenses paid trip to heaven. The rest of us are destined for hell and are no longer on the moral agenda of the Majority.

The arrogance of the "Moral Majority" is truly spectacular. The assertion that being Christian also makes you ethical is comical. Treating homosexuals as second class citizens is a far cry from moral/ethical behavior, and campaigning to suppress them (via Biblical verse) is pathetic.

 

[SixFive]

I was going to skip on by, but talk of the "Moral Majority" really lights my fire.
The moral/ethical concerns of the Moral Majority are limited to its membership (Christians). Membership has its priveleges, including an all expenses paid trip to heaven. The rest of us are destined for hell and are no longer on the moral agenda of the Majority.

The arrogance of the "Moral Majority" is truly spectacular. The assertion that being Christian also makes you ethical is comical. Treating homosexuals as second class citizens is a far cry from moral/ethical behavior, and campaigning to suppress them (via Biblical verse) is pathetic.

whoaaaa. My goal, and the goal of all Christians SHOULD BE to seek out the lost. I can't speak for the televangelists and the hierarchy of certain Christian sects, I can only speak for myself. I just threw out the moral majority term to see what Buddy's thoughts on it were. Your first paragraph couldn't be farther from the truth of what I believe.

Christians are all humans and therefore sinners and therefore fallible. I'm not sure about your homosexual rant as I've not seen any anti-gay campaigns.

To me, Moral Majority means that the majority of the country has a Judeo/Christian background and know right from wrong and have moral standards. I do not think the "moral majority" are all Christians and church-goers, but I do think the majority of the citizens of the USA know right from wrong and have values. I believe that most people are inherently good.

 

[buddy]

To me, Moral Majority means that the majority of the country has a Judeo/Christian background and know right from wrong and have moral standards. I do not think the "moral majority" are all Christians and church-goers, but I do think the majority of the citizens of the USA know right from wrong and have values. I believe that most people are inherently good.

These are my thoughts, too. Thanks, SixFive.

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

Are you guys aware that the Moral Majority is not just a term but an organized group?
http://www.moralmajority.us/

I just threw out the moral majority term to see what Buddy's thoughts on it were. Your first paragraph couldn't be farther from the truth of what I believe.

If you weren't referring to the organization, forgive me for jumping to that conclusion. What part of the first paragraph do you disagree with?

To me, Moral Majority means that the majority of the country has a Judeo/Christian background and know right from wrong and have moral standards. I do not think the "moral majority" are all Christians and church-goers, but I do think the majority of the citizens of the USA know right from wrong and have values. I believe that most people are inherently good.

By mentioning the Judeo/Christian background, are you saying that "Christian" is synonymous with "good"? I think that is a myth. Christians can be good, but goodness and Christianity are no more synonymous than immoral and Atheism. Christianity has inspired a lot of people to do wonderful things, but faith is not necessary for goodness.

I'm not sure about your homosexual rant as I've not seen any anti-gay campaigns.

I guess you missed the issue of Gay Marriage. The arguments against it are driven by the Bible and "morality".

 

[SixFive]

gmroz, thanks for clarifying that; I had no idea the moral majority was an organized group. I just thought it was one of those new catch phrases like "neocon".

I don't believe it's supressing gays/lesbians to not support them being allowed to marry each other. I've also not seen any anti-gay Christian led marches. I never see any talk of gay rights locally, and I know we have a substantially large community of homosexuals here.

The first paragraph u wrote, I disagree with, the notion that Christians have their ticket punched for heaven and all heathens/non-believers/non church-goers are going to hell and Christians could care less. Like I said earlier, my goal as a Christian is to seek out the lost and help guide them and teach them about Jesus and the promise of salvation. If every Christian does not feel the same, then maybe they need to brush up on their reading. Try not to lump in all Christians with the boobs you see plastered on tv on Sunday morning or with the jailbird clergy who molest children as that is not me or the majority of Christians that I know.

Lastly, I am not equating Christianity with goodness. I wish I could, and I like to think all Christians are good people, but I know they are not. One of the nicest, kindest, most giving person I ever knew was not a Christian, and he would always politely decline any conversation about that subject. I would have considered him a part of the "moral majority" (before I just found out this is an organized group).

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

Excellent post, SixFive. I hope you don't take any challenges towards your religious beliefs as personal attacks, because that is most certainly not the case. If anything, it is an attempt at generating discussions that I think are necessary between those people of faith and those that are not. The question of "Are Christians good?" is a perfect example of this.

I'll accept any wishes to discontinue further discussion with anyone that isn't interested . However, I think these types of discussions are healthy for both sides. While I may be damned to hell by Christianity, Judaism, & Islam, we're all damned by at least one of them.

Take care,

-Gary

 

[SixFive]

Excellent post, SixFive. I hope you don't take any challenges towards your religious beliefs as personal attacks, because that is most certainly not the case. If anything, it is an attempt at generating discussions that I think are necessary between those people of faith and those that are not. The question of "Are Christians good?" is a perfect example of this.

I'll accept any wishes to discontinue further discussion with anyone that isn't interested . However, I think these types of discussions are healthy for both sides. While I may be damned to hell by Christianity, Judaism, & Islam, we're all damned by at least one of them.

Take care,

-Gary

I didn't take it as an attack. I'm just thankful I'm not in fear for my life like some of the Christians in the middle east and Asia.