Buffett suggests higher taxes for super rich

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I think many in the financial world, and otherwise, would consider Warren Buffett to be a pretty good judge of economics, and money...some here seem to think differently than he does, or at least promote a different opinion. I think I know who I'd bet on being more correct. - C.

Buffett talks tax reform with Sen. Clinton

Berkshire Hathaway chairman suggests greater taxes for private equity firm managers and super rich to presidential hopeful.

By David Ellis, CNNMoney.com staff writer
June 27 2007: 12:22 AM EDT

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Presidential hopeful Hillary Rodham Clinton was all ears at a fundraiser Tuesday evening when famed billionaire investor Warren Buffett suggested ramping up the tax code on big businesses and the super rich.

The Berkshire Hathaway (Charts, Fortune 500) chairman touched on a variety of issues in a question and answer session with Clinton, including his disdain for private equity firm power brokers.

"The people that earn their living doing that should be subject to taxes that reflect their labors," he said in the gathering at a hotel in midtown Manhattan.

Which candidate is business betting on?
Recently private equity firms have become targets of Congress, who claim that fund managers benefit from unfair tax advantages. One Senate committee has proposed raising taxes on publicly traded private equity firms such as Blackstone Group.

Speaking to several hundred supporters of the U.S. Senator from New York, Buffett revealed his puzzlement that he was taxed at a lower rate than many of the lesser-paid individuals working for his company.

Buffett said he makes $46 million a year in income and is only taxed at a 17.7 percent rate on his federal income taxes. By contrast, those who work for him, and make considerably less, pay on average about 32.9 percent in taxes - with the highest rate being 39.7 percent.

To emphasize his point, Buffett offered $1 million to the audience member who could show that one of the nation's wealthiest individuals pays a higher tax rate than one of their subordinates.

"I'm willing to bet anyone in this room $1 million that those rates are less than the secretary has to pay," said Buffett.


The Berkshire Hathaway chairman remained relatively positive about the U.S. economy overall, and remained doubtful that the recent woes in the subprime mortgage market would spread to the rest of the housing sector and the larger economy.

"Overall if the unemployment rate doesn't increase and interest rates don't increase then I don't think it will have an effect on the rest of the economy," he said.

Buffett, however, did not explicitly back Clinton in her bid for the White House during Tuesday night's event - although he has made a number of contributions to her different political campaigns, according to the Federal Election Commission.
 

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I think many in the financial world, and otherwise, would consider Warren Buffett to be a pretty good judge of economics, and money...some here seem to think differently than he does, or at least promote a different opinion. I think I know who I'd bet on being more correct. - C.

Buffett talks tax reform with Sen. Clinton

Berkshire Hathaway chairman suggests greater taxes for private equity firm managers and super rich to presidential hopeful.

By David Ellis, CNNMoney.com staff writer
June 27 2007: 12:22 AM EDT

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Presidential hopeful Hillary Rodham Clinton was all ears at a fundraiser Tuesday evening when famed billionaire investor Warren Buffett suggested ramping up the tax code on big businesses and the super rich.

The Berkshire Hathaway (Charts, Fortune 500) chairman touched on a variety of issues in a question and answer session with Clinton, including his disdain for private equity firm power brokers.

"The people that earn their living doing that should be subject to taxes that reflect their labors," he said in the gathering at a hotel in midtown Manhattan.

Which candidate is business betting on?
Recently private equity firms have become targets of Congress, who claim that fund managers benefit from unfair tax advantages. One Senate committee has proposed raising taxes on publicly traded private equity firms such as Blackstone Group.

Speaking to several hundred supporters of the U.S. Senator from New York, Buffett revealed his puzzlement that he was taxed at a lower rate than many of the lesser-paid individuals working for his company.

Buffett said he makes $46 million a year in income and is only taxed at a 17.7 percent rate on his federal income taxes. By contrast, those who work for him, and make considerably less, pay on average about 32.9 percent in taxes - with the highest rate being 39.7 percent.

To emphasize his point, Buffett offered $1 million to the audience member who could show that one of the nation's wealthiest individuals pays a higher tax rate than one of their subordinates.

"I'm willing to bet anyone in this room $1 million that those rates are less than the secretary has to pay," said Buffett.


The Berkshire Hathaway chairman remained relatively positive about the U.S. economy overall, and remained doubtful that the recent woes in the subprime mortgage market would spread to the rest of the housing sector and the larger economy.

"Overall if the unemployment rate doesn't increase and interest rates don't increase then I don't think it will have an effect on the rest of the economy," he said.

Buffett, however, did not explicitly back Clinton in her bid for the White House during Tuesday night's event - although he has made a number of contributions to her different political campaigns, according to the Federal Election Commission.

Why would anyone listen to a guy who is loaded but not greedy and thinks of others? The neocons hate guys like Buffett more than they hate liberals. When your goal in life is to make money till your last dying breath and usually from the misery of others, a guy like Buffett will always rub them the wrong way. Im sure if DTB answers this he will completely change the topic or put some ridiculous spin on it. The spin is usually that the rich pay 99.99999 percent of the taxes.
 

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Buffet should fire all of his Tax Lawers and STFU, he's a hypocrite. Old Fart!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JMO.

Hey bud this is also a handicapping site so if you could kindly post some of your picks this year im sure guys like me would appreciate it. Thanks Bud.
 

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Buffet should fire all of his Tax Lawyers and STFU, he's a hypocrite. Old Fart!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JMO.

Buffet points out that he pays a smaller percentage than his secretary, advocates a policy that is more equitable, and he is a hypocrite who should stfu. Brilliant post.
 

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Yeah, one thing that often gets lost in the shuffle of "compassionate" legislators and wealthy-with-a-conscience individuals like Buffett -

They make big money, and yet advocate a higher tax rate which would affect them directly. For my money, this remains an important point and an admirable one for the liberal standpoint.
 

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Hey bud this is also a handicapping site so if you could kindly post some of your picks this year im sure guys like me would appreciate it. Thanks Bud.

it's funny that you welcome this new guy to the forum by telling him that this is a gambling forum & that he should post some picks....

and yet you don't say the same thing to posters that you politically agree with & who have been here for years & probably need a map to find the picks areas...

why is that ?

no need to answer...

carry on....you're a tremendous asset to this forum.
 
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Buffy is smart guy. Believe he has some good points. He understands GUNS, WAR, Butter just don't work for long with big tax cuts. Sooner or later we pay. Either with cash or high interest rates that are real big drain.
 

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it's funny that you welcome this new guy to the forum by telling him that this is a gambling forum & that he should post some picks....

and yet you don't say the same thing to posters that you politically agree with & who have been here for years & probably need a map to find the picks areas...

why is that ?

no need to answer...

carry on....you're a tremendous asset to this forum.

And you sir may be the most gullible person i have ever met on the net. Try to re read the post and figure out what i was doing. Im sure most could figure it out. On another note i will never again let some sneaky fool of a hypocrite dictate the way i post. You are sneaky person who thrives on trying to be a referee but you have an agenda and probably don't even realize it. You think you are some supreme asset here and you are nothing bu another poster like me, except you have your little sneaky agendas. Why don't you see if you could get a moderators job? I think its your calling.
 

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I like many things about Buffett--don't care for his politics--As with Edwards--you can harp about 2 Americas on one hand and pay advisers/accountants big bucks to expoilt every tax dodge possible. Why didn't he just send the federal gov 33% of his net if he feels so bad about it--to his credit he did so -in much smarter way -by giving an obscene amount to charity where he could direct where it went rather than gov squandering it ;)
--isn't anything dumb about him.
Wonder did anyone asked him how he managed to pay small % --appears everyone missed that.

Don't think anyone asked why he set up generation bypass trust to beat the estate taxes either did they--and believe he also forgot to mention that :)

--so what does the left try and portray--Clinton and Buffett are for the rich paying more taxes--when in fact they hire the best tax planners available.

anyone see the obvious lie in the 1st item under search in google--

Buffett blasts system that lets him pay less tax than secretary ...If Mr. Buffett feels bad about the amount he pays in taxes, .... Then his entourage of tax accountants and economic advisors would be unneccessary. ...
business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/money/tax/article1996735.ece - Jun 29, 2007 - Similar pages

--Have another sip Gents


--who bit?
 

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And you sir may be the most gullible person i have ever met on the net. Try to re read the post and figure out what i was doing. Im sure most could figure it out. On another note i will never again let some sneaky fool of a hypocrite dictate the way i post. You are sneaky person who thrives on trying to be a referee but you have an agenda and probably don't even realize it. You think you are some supreme asset here and you are nothing bu another poster like me, except you have your little sneaky agendas. Why don't you see if you could get a moderators job? I think its your calling.
Please don't antagonize AR 182 this close to football season. We need him sharp and focused. If he gives you a hard time, then you need to just bite your lip and take it. ...You probably had it coming anyway. We give AR what he wants without questioning his motives around here. Unconditional from now through Superbowl. You got it?
 

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I like many things about Buffett--don't care for his politics--As with Edwards--you can harp about 2 Americas on one hand and pay advisers/accountants big bucks to expoilt every tax dodge possible. Why didn't he just send the federal gov 33% of his net if he feels so bad about it--to his credit he did so -in much smarter way -by giving an obscene amount to charity where he could direct where it went rather than gov squandering it ;)
--isn't anything dumb about him.
Wonder did anyone asked him how he managed to pay small % --appears everyone missed that.

Don't think anyone asked why he set up generation bypass trust to beat the estate taxes either did they--and believe he also forgot to mention that :)

--so what does the left try and portray--Clinton and Buffett are for the rich paying more taxes--when in fact they hire the best tax planners available.

anyone see the obvious lie in the 1st item under search in google--

Buffett blasts system that lets him pay less tax than secretary ...If Mr. Buffett feels bad about the amount he pays in taxes, .... Then his entourage of tax accountants and economic advisors would be unneccessary. ...
business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/money/tax/article1996735.ece - Jun 29, 2007 - Similar pages

--Have another sip Gents


--who bit?

well said.....whenever i hear anyone advocating others paying higher taxes i always have 2 questions:

1) how many accountants do you have doing your taxes every year getting you the best possible return?

2) if you're so worried about the government getting more money, how much extra did you send them last year or did you refuse your refund?
 

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well said.....whenever i hear anyone advocating others paying higher taxes i always have 2 questions:

1) how many accountants do you have doing your taxes every year getting you the best possible return?

2) if you're so worried about the government getting more money, how much extra did you send them last year or did you refuse your refund?


If you think that you're paying too much taxes, quit your job and pay none
 

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IE you are correct. But we do have so much fun with our discussions on anything soup to nuts. I think we need the release. Keeping in mind in gambling we will only have 5 to 7% winners. And some folks actually get nastier in the picking areas.
But thanks to you and MJ are put back in line as they should be.
 

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And the illustrations that those of you that decry the upper percent of earners in this country provide are those that can afford to work the system effectively and eventually pay less overall than those that make less and SUPPOSEDLY pay a smaller percent.

Now, who is biting on what?

I still admire those that come out and show the fallacies of how much the upper earners of this country are unfairly taxed and how it is such a difficult tax system for them to succeed. As we all know - those that admit it, anyway, the upper wage earners are making more than ever, and the system works just fine for them, thank you. You don't have to admit it, but you do have to try to hide that fact with your "unfairness doctrine."

And of course some of you don't seem to mind the government "squandering tax money" if it's for a cause you feel has merit. It's all perspective. If you don't like a policy, it's squandering, but of course we have to take enough tax money to pay for the things that are important to YOU. Nothing like a conservative "me first" doctrine, eh?
 

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And the illustrations that those of you that decry the upper percent of earners in this country provide are those that can afford to work the system effectively and eventually pay less overall than those that make less and SUPPOSEDLY pay a smaller percent.

Now, who is biting on what?

I still admire those that come out and show the fallacies of how much the upper earners of this country are unfairly taxed and how it is such a difficult tax system for them to succeed. As we all know - those that admit it, anyway, the upper wage earners are making more than ever, and the system works just fine for them, thank you. You don't have to admit it, but you do have to try to hide that fact with your "unfairness doctrine."

And of course some of you don't seem to mind the government "squandering tax money" if it's for a cause you feel has merit. It's all perspective. If you don't like a policy, it's squandering, but of course we have to take enough tax money to pay for the things that are important to YOU. Nothing like a conservative "me first" doctrine, eh?

I have been saying this quote of yours since i have been posting here and it may be the most ridiculous thing i ever witness. We have guys supporting billionaires who have no problem if there tax dollars are just pissed away. Its total insanity. I will say this again for the tenth time. It would be a lot easier to argue our case if every one of us got their gross pay and then at the end of the year we all had a list of what taxes we owed an what they went to. So lets say i got 50 thousand this year in gross pay. Now 5 thousand goes to the Republican deficits for now and years past. Another 5 thousand goes to the Republican warr. Another 5 thousand goes to the democratic and republican welfare and corporate welfare programs. Another goes to Emarks aka pork projects. This is the only thing that will ever wake up some these nuts who feel since people are millionaires they will become one too. Let me help some of you. People like Paris Hilton are millionaires. People married into old money. If you are not married into old money it is not that easy to get rich like a Paris Hilton. You can dream all you want and support millionaires till you are blue in your face, but to vote like one is absolutely insane when in fact you are not one of them and you are voting aginst your best intereest. 1 out of 50 people becomes millionaires and 1 out of a million do it without old money.
 
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