Not the military and that was good. But the others GOOD JOB BUSH. Getting to like this guy. Hell even with the cut there still getting 3 to 3.2 %. Chit national averages for none gov workers is 3% this year. Hey even better idea let them pay for there own bennies like we all do. Never understood why we the none gov workers of this great land. Give such great and better bennies to gov workers then what we get ourselfs. Again not the Military folks im for those folks geeting what they deserve. I recall by first check from the Army. I know it was 1960. But I cleared for the month 98 dollars. That was for 30 days. I said back then our Boys and girls needed to be payed more. But in any case Good Job Pres.
Bush cuts Fed Pay Hikes in Half.
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I think I'm reading the post correctly and that you are serious, correct (I know u generally don't like Bush)? I heard the fellow who is the spokesman for the govt. workers on the radio saying something like, "Bush wants the best people in these jobs, yet he isn't willing to pay them".
This move doesn't hurt my feelings any. I don't get any more than a 3% raise in my job, and that's really not too bad a raise to get every year. There's plenty out there who get less or none.
Assuming u are serious, props to u for giving credit to something u agree with even though u don't like the administration as a whole. I couldn't stand Clinton for the most part all of his 8 years, but he was still the President, and I respected him for that reason as our elected leader. GL!
This move doesn't hurt my feelings any. I don't get any more than a 3% raise in my job, and that's really not too bad a raise to get every year. There's plenty out there who get less or none.
Assuming u are serious, props to u for giving credit to something u agree with even though u don't like the administration as a whole. I couldn't stand Clinton for the most part all of his 8 years, but he was still the President, and I respected him for that reason as our elected leader. GL!
Great post dvj;
SixFive-- I feel that dvj is just posting great data, kudo to dvj. Personally I have not had a raise in the last 3 yrs., and to have govt. workers get a raise is just a slap in the face. How many of us have had to endure a fed/state/local office (DL, register to vote, court etc)....it just sucks. IMHO anyone who works for the govt. has a carnation shirt on and is just milking the system. If we have any govt. workers please chime in if I am wrong
SixFive-- I feel that dvj is just posting great data, kudo to dvj. Personally I have not had a raise in the last 3 yrs., and to have govt. workers get a raise is just a slap in the face. How many of us have had to endure a fed/state/local office (DL, register to vote, court etc)....it just sucks. IMHO anyone who works for the govt. has a carnation shirt on and is just milking the system. If we have any govt. workers please chime in if I am wrong
Please dont tell me anyone is going to be ignorant enough to equate that one fat slob you dealt with at DMV or the unemployment office with "all government workers"
I know a lot of good people who work for the government and who are getting a third of what they could get in the private sector. My brother for instance. Kid works his ass off as the Press Secretary for one of the most senior Republican Senators. Writes all his press releases. Sets up all press contact. Runs contacts in federal and state offices. Probably could get $80+ in the private sector at a PR firm. Takes home barely $30 working for the govt. Does it because he loves working for the govt, and you know what, I want more people running my country who do it because they love it and because they want to help.
Facts are, government jobs are always going to pay less. Hell I have been unemployed for a month, I have an MBA and 7 years consulting experience and still I think the govt workers should get their raise. Does this mean I have never wanted to punch out some lazy govt employee? Of course not, reference the time I had to spend at the unemployment office getting into the system.
The hypocritical thing about these types of posts - and again I am not singling out anyone, just the attitude in general - is that the same people who dont want to pay the government workers more money will want more government services, they will want them faster and they will want them done better then they were done the last time. So tough shit. I dont want to hear the same people complaining the next time they have to wait in line a half an hour. Remember, you are happy we are not paying them any money. Those budget cuts you were so happy about added that half hour to your wait.
I know a lot of good people who work for the government and who are getting a third of what they could get in the private sector. My brother for instance. Kid works his ass off as the Press Secretary for one of the most senior Republican Senators. Writes all his press releases. Sets up all press contact. Runs contacts in federal and state offices. Probably could get $80+ in the private sector at a PR firm. Takes home barely $30 working for the govt. Does it because he loves working for the govt, and you know what, I want more people running my country who do it because they love it and because they want to help.
Facts are, government jobs are always going to pay less. Hell I have been unemployed for a month, I have an MBA and 7 years consulting experience and still I think the govt workers should get their raise. Does this mean I have never wanted to punch out some lazy govt employee? Of course not, reference the time I had to spend at the unemployment office getting into the system.
The hypocritical thing about these types of posts - and again I am not singling out anyone, just the attitude in general - is that the same people who dont want to pay the government workers more money will want more government services, they will want them faster and they will want them done better then they were done the last time. So tough shit. I dont want to hear the same people complaining the next time they have to wait in line a half an hour. Remember, you are happy we are not paying them any money. Those budget cuts you were so happy about added that half hour to your wait.
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I am a Government worker, and it's like a license to steal!
I see so much waste, that it makes me sick. Bosses of the bosses of other bosses..........four people to do one job...........doing nothing, and getting paid for it.
It sickens me. (But I'm pretty happy about the nice raise I'm getting! )
I see so much waste, that it makes me sick. Bosses of the bosses of other bosses..........four people to do one job...........doing nothing, and getting paid for it.
It sickens me. (But I'm pretty happy about the nice raise I'm getting!
)If the general market is not getting a raise then why should govt. employees. Bottom line is they make their money off of our tax dollar. IMHO if you can make $80 in the private sector and elect to have a job making $30...why in the heck would you have a job making $30? Please explain:shrug:
You would have a job making $30 because believe it or not there are still some people in this world who do things that they believe in even thought it may not pay the most. I may not agree with all republican or governmental policies, but I respect people who will do a job they enjoy for a cause they believe in even though they are getting shafted.
How about senior cops and military personel? They could easily make more money in the private sector. Would you be happy if they just walked off the job? What about all non-profit sector personel? Should they all just quit?
How about senior cops and military personel? They could easily make more money in the private sector. Would you be happy if they just walked off the job? What about all non-profit sector personel? Should they all just quit?
Quite frankly I don't buy the argument :shrug: YYZ said it all in his post.
just my .02 and 39% of my income.
just my .02 and 39% of my income.
yyz said:I am a Government worker, and it's like a license to steal!
I see so much waste, that it makes me sick. Bosses of the bosses of other bosses..........four people to do one job...........doing nothing, and getting paid for it.
It sickens me. (But I'm pretty happy about the nice raise I'm getting!
exactly.......yyz said it all.....most government employees should be doing the work that 4 of them are required to do......let them do that and triple their pay I say......lets get some efficiency back in government and productivity results.....
Do you have a link to this or something? I haven't seen anything about it yet and was just curious.
I was just wondering if he actually cut their pay 3% or just didn't give them the scheduled 3% raise. This is a common practice in Washington (especially by Dems), like when any Rep. proposes freezing the yearly cost of living increase to social security (usually 3 to 4%) and the Dems and the press call it a cut to social security to get the old folks all pissed off.
I don't know about you guys, but when I don't get a raise, I don't consider that a freakin' cut in my pay.
I was just wondering if he actually cut their pay 3% or just didn't give them the scheduled 3% raise. This is a common practice in Washington (especially by Dems), like when any Rep. proposes freezing the yearly cost of living increase to social security (usually 3 to 4%) and the Dems and the press call it a cut to social security to get the old folks all pissed off.
I don't know about you guys, but when I don't get a raise, I don't consider that a freakin' cut in my pay.
The pay raise is something like 3.1%. It was scheduled to be higher because in the past, there was a freeze on pay raises so they were trying to make up for previous downfalls.
It is quite a generalization to say that all governement employees are good, or all government employees are bad. Most of the stories that you hear about the extreme wastes (thousand dollar toilets, etc.) are not by the government employees but by independent contractors. Therein lies a huge problem in that the governement goes to the lowest bidder on various items. It causes a tremendous amount of turnover in companies that they deal with. Additionally, there is so much personnel swapping in the private sector that many of these contractors and consultants continually swith project managers, so there is very little continuity at times and a lot of repeating to catch-up.
I think there is a great deal of importance to pay government employees a fair wage. I feel more comfortable with some of the non-political appointees doing certain jobs and holding certain supervisory roles than I do with some of the politically appointed employees. If you just consider what Ashcroft has been doing in the DOJ, it certainly doesn't impress me too much that all the new hires are from small Baptist colleges with very little experience and somewhat lacking resumes. Not having a strong resume doesn't mean that the person isn't qualified -- don't get me wrong. But when consistently the hires appear to be based more on an aspect of the person that has nothing to do with the job, it worries me somewhat. Please don't rip me for the religion thing -- it would be the same if he only hired people with red hair or something else ridiculous.
I would like to know that we have a few responsible governement employees that are fairly compensated and in it for the 'long haul.' With so much instability and the possibility that you have consistent waves of people in jobs for only 4 years, I think it is important to have someone available to mentor and advise. Let's get the best person in that job.
I used to be in the public school system, where there are a number of employees that do very little. But it's like that in any union, I would think. But there are an equal number that do well above and beyond their duty and still make very little money. It's a choice they make, so I don't feel bad for them. But to see someone who makes very little money and still works his ass off says a lot of positive things about that persons character. So for government employees, there are certainly going to be a few bad apples, but moreover there are probably more that are underappreciated.
It is quite a generalization to say that all governement employees are good, or all government employees are bad. Most of the stories that you hear about the extreme wastes (thousand dollar toilets, etc.) are not by the government employees but by independent contractors. Therein lies a huge problem in that the governement goes to the lowest bidder on various items. It causes a tremendous amount of turnover in companies that they deal with. Additionally, there is so much personnel swapping in the private sector that many of these contractors and consultants continually swith project managers, so there is very little continuity at times and a lot of repeating to catch-up.
I think there is a great deal of importance to pay government employees a fair wage. I feel more comfortable with some of the non-political appointees doing certain jobs and holding certain supervisory roles than I do with some of the politically appointed employees. If you just consider what Ashcroft has been doing in the DOJ, it certainly doesn't impress me too much that all the new hires are from small Baptist colleges with very little experience and somewhat lacking resumes. Not having a strong resume doesn't mean that the person isn't qualified -- don't get me wrong. But when consistently the hires appear to be based more on an aspect of the person that has nothing to do with the job, it worries me somewhat. Please don't rip me for the religion thing -- it would be the same if he only hired people with red hair or something else ridiculous.
I would like to know that we have a few responsible governement employees that are fairly compensated and in it for the 'long haul.' With so much instability and the possibility that you have consistent waves of people in jobs for only 4 years, I think it is important to have someone available to mentor and advise. Let's get the best person in that job.
I used to be in the public school system, where there are a number of employees that do very little. But it's like that in any union, I would think. But there are an equal number that do well above and beyond their duty and still make very little money. It's a choice they make, so I don't feel bad for them. But to see someone who makes very little money and still works his ass off says a lot of positive things about that persons character. So for government employees, there are certainly going to be a few bad apples, but moreover there are probably more that are underappreciated.
there is government waste,and some people who work for government do not show up. However most of them do, my brother is a teacher, every second summer he is taking more courses, he gets paid well as he should. A good teacher can have a great impact on a childs life.
there is plenty of waste in corporations, just look at what some managements groups have received millions/billions for driving their companies into the ground.
though it is easy to score political points by cutting back government wages I do not mind if their wages keep up to inflation and if they are rewarded if they meet certain goals. It is ironic when there is a accident caused by faulty constuction (road/bridge) then we hear about government mistakes.
in most cases you pay for what you get.
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there is plenty of waste in corporations, just look at what some managements groups have received millions/billions for driving their companies into the ground.
though it is easy to score political points by cutting back government wages I do not mind if their wages keep up to inflation and if they are rewarded if they meet certain goals. It is ironic when there is a accident caused by faulty constuction (road/bridge) then we hear about government mistakes.
in most cases you pay for what you get.
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ace--I know where you are coming from and I am sure that your brother is worth more money than he is paid. BUT, the blunt of that is caused by the same people that employ him. If you want him to get more money for the job that he is doing, then you should pull for the government to clean up their employees and get rid of some of the waste. The taxpayers (I am talking about me) should not have to fork over more of my money to watch some lazy shit look at me like I ruined her day by wanting to get something done. I want to be in that office a lot less than she wants me there.
I wrote a post a couple of weeks ago about a government employee that said she was going to not answer the phone the rest of the day because it was ringing too much. If that was my employee, she would have been polishing the sidewalk with her ass.
Taxpayers should not have to continually pay more money when their pay is not going up in the same timeframe.
Sorry.
I wrote a post a couple of weeks ago about a government employee that said she was going to not answer the phone the rest of the day because it was ringing too much. If that was my employee, she would have been polishing the sidewalk with her ass.
Taxpayers should not have to continually pay more money when their pay is not going up in the same timeframe.
Sorry.
Congress voted for an increase in salary for themselves. Does anyone know what % increase is of their salary ?
Wouldn't it be great to vote whether you deserve a raise?
I used to work for a gov't agency( NYC) when I graduated from college. I was placed in a unit with similar age people as myself. We were medicaid case workers. About 2 weeks into the job we were approached by a union rep. who told us that we were working too hard & completing cases too quickly & that we were making the other workers look bad. I then started looking for a new job, in the private sector.
Wouldn't it be great to vote whether you deserve a raise?
I used to work for a gov't agency( NYC) when I graduated from college. I was placed in a unit with similar age people as myself. We were medicaid case workers. About 2 weeks into the job we were approached by a union rep. who told us that we were working too hard & completing cases too quickly & that we were making the other workers look bad. I then started looking for a new job, in the private sector.
Yes the congress gets like 4.2% sounds ok. BUT WAIT. Now take that times 158 thousand and they all get around 6 grand. But Wait theres more. They all get another 25 grand for travel expense. And next year Each one gets to add one more staff member to help them do there work faster and better. Oh YA BABY. BS.
That makes 4 helpers plus a secratary for each one. Add that to there two staff members back home in there states. There hoalding the fort down back home. Hell they cant be home and in W, DC at the same time. Just think each congressman and each Senator have 7 folks working for them. What a waste. But it gettes better. The Pres he gets like 12 people. But his wife only gets 3. But hey he's the Pres and needs them. But our VP you know the one we never see. Or they say a good VP does nothing and that's what he should do nothing. Hey he gets 7 helpers just to do nothing. Ya tell me why that one fellow gets 30 grand. Could it be theres 4 more like him doing the same. Get ride of 3 and the two left could make more.
Just one last item the sentors are only getting a $7500.00 raise.
That makes 4 helpers plus a secratary for each one. Add that to there two staff members back home in there states. There hoalding the fort down back home. Hell they cant be home and in W, DC at the same time. Just think each congressman and each Senator have 7 folks working for them. What a waste. But it gettes better. The Pres he gets like 12 people. But his wife only gets 3. But hey he's the Pres and needs them. But our VP you know the one we never see. Or they say a good VP does nothing and that's what he should do nothing. Hey he gets 7 helpers just to do nothing. Ya tell me why that one fellow gets 30 grand. Could it be theres 4 more like him doing the same. Get ride of 3 and the two left could make more.
Just one last item the sentors are only getting a $7500.00 raise.
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Maybe we should talk about the free health care. Or do you folks know why our Congressman and Senators and afew others don't pay into the SS fund. Not good enough for them. They have to pay nothing into there pension fund. We pay for it all. And boy do they do well. Starting at age 50 after a Senator just one term 6 years. 150 tousand a year. And if they die there wifes keep getting the same to they die. Hey it gets better for them. Some get as much as 275 thousand a year. All from us. Are we good to them or what. How good does your pension rate with the above. I know sucks how they take care them selfs and we don't even know it half the time. They add this stuff on to other bills that are being passed and sneek it through. Can you just think if you were a congressman for 8 years. At age 50 you can get 200 thousand the rest of your life.
Bush cuts Fed Pay Hikes in Half.
Not the military and that was good. But the others GOOD JOB BUSH. Getting to like this guy. Hell even with the cut there still getting 3 to 3.2 %. Chit national averages for none gov workers is 3% this year. Hey even better idea let them pay for there own bennies like we all do. Never understood why we the none gov workers of this great land. Give such great and better bennies to gov workers then what we get ourselfs. Again not the Military folks im for those folks geeting what they deserve. I recall by first check from the Army. I know it was 1960. But I cleared for the month 98 dollars. That was for 30 days. I said back then our Boys and girls needed to be payed more. But in any case Good Job Pres.
Just would like to comment on "my pet peeve" regarding the great bennies myth of federal government civil service. I can ony speak for myself...a current member of management for the Social Security Administration in the Boston area. I have worked in the agency since 1975 and can honestly say that SSA has no cushy positions and has steadily decreased their ranks...most based on automation but some simply political. The workload in the local office is quite significant.
I do not apologoze for the fact that job security is number 1 as a benefit....cutbacks have always been thru agency attrition. However, salaries are low but not my bitch....I knew this but as mentioned above by some else I do the job for my own personal satisfaction (No B.S.). SSA is probably the government's most successful program since its inception and had truly improved the standard of living in this country. I feel good that I have contributed to the agency's success.
Vacation time is equal to private enterprise but the biggest unknown that people forget in comparing with private enterprise is the available health insurabce plans. Self employed out there? yes your case is even worse. But for me paying $94.83 every two weeks for mediocre health coverage ( loaded with non covered items) is not this super benefit I see local unions striking in the past year for thier rank in file beginning to pay $1-$3 dollars a month. Government jobs have always been subject of cheap shots since Uncle Sam will just ignore the shots.
In summary, be careful of generalizations.....everyone should know that most things in life are not black and white. Peace.
Personally, I will not fret about the loss....I think the reason and sell job however is a little far fetched.
Not the military and that was good. But the others GOOD JOB BUSH. Getting to like this guy. Hell even with the cut there still getting 3 to 3.2 %. Chit national averages for none gov workers is 3% this year. Hey even better idea let them pay for there own bennies like we all do. Never understood why we the none gov workers of this great land. Give such great and better bennies to gov workers then what we get ourselfs. Again not the Military folks im for those folks geeting what they deserve. I recall by first check from the Army. I know it was 1960. But I cleared for the month 98 dollars. That was for 30 days. I said back then our Boys and girls needed to be payed more. But in any case Good Job Pres.
Just would like to comment on "my pet peeve" regarding the great bennies myth of federal government civil service. I can ony speak for myself...a current member of management for the Social Security Administration in the Boston area. I have worked in the agency since 1975 and can honestly say that SSA has no cushy positions and has steadily decreased their ranks...most based on automation but some simply political. The workload in the local office is quite significant.
I do not apologoze for the fact that job security is number 1 as a benefit....cutbacks have always been thru agency attrition. However, salaries are low but not my bitch....I knew this but as mentioned above by some else I do the job for my own personal satisfaction (No B.S.). SSA is probably the government's most successful program since its inception and had truly improved the standard of living in this country. I feel good that I have contributed to the agency's success.
Vacation time is equal to private enterprise but the biggest unknown that people forget in comparing with private enterprise is the available health insurabce plans. Self employed out there? yes your case is even worse. But for me paying $94.83 every two weeks for mediocre health coverage ( loaded with non covered items) is not this super benefit I see local unions striking in the past year for thier rank in file beginning to pay $1-$3 dollars a month. Government jobs have always been subject of cheap shots since Uncle Sam will just ignore the shots.
In summary, be careful of generalizations.....everyone should know that most things in life are not black and white. Peace.
Personally, I will not fret about the loss....I think the reason and sell job however is a little far fetched.
P3uttt Know all about that Medicare stuff. The gov takes 72 bucks a month from me for Medicare and I dont even use it. Then I get to pay another 96 bucks a month for my health care at work. Now that I just retired my company is very good to us. I get to keep paying the 96 bucks a month for 8 months. Then they let me stay on there plan and it only cost me 502 bucks a month. Thats a correct number. Believe you folks get much better then that. At least I have a person here who works for S/S Office. Said when he retires at 59 it will cost him about 140 bucks a month. Said Uncle Sam handles the rest. I would take that over 500 bucks anytime.
DJV:
I"ll be honest that my beef here was/is during my working years for Uncle Sam. I am 50 with no immediate plans to retire and conceed that I am not very up on my retirement package like I probably should be....daughter just 15 so my dream of retirement is distant. I would say your right though on the health benefits for govt retirees being okay and competitive with others....this what I hear but my friends of course are mostly not retirees. i:shrug:
I think the whole thing started with the issue of the raise for the federal WORKFORCE and all their benefits.....of course nowadays new hires for federal jobs are under full fica so the civil service program will eventually have shortfalls as time goes on. Retirement will only be drawn based on SSA rules only.
When you compare everything there is usually some aspects of each that are appealing. The government package IMO is overated and society has been led to believe otherwise.
We are hearing here and another thread of high health insurance cost. But, it seems enough people out there have great plans that they only pay token premiums along with good coverage so that there really is a great movement to do anthing about the situation.
I"ll be honest that my beef here was/is during my working years for Uncle Sam. I am 50 with no immediate plans to retire and conceed that I am not very up on my retirement package like I probably should be....daughter just 15 so my dream of retirement is distant. I would say your right though on the health benefits for govt retirees being okay and competitive with others....this what I hear but my friends of course are mostly not retirees. i:shrug:
I think the whole thing started with the issue of the raise for the federal WORKFORCE and all their benefits.....of course nowadays new hires for federal jobs are under full fica so the civil service program will eventually have shortfalls as time goes on. Retirement will only be drawn based on SSA rules only.
When you compare everything there is usually some aspects of each that are appealing. The government package IMO is overated and society has been led to believe otherwise.
We are hearing here and another thread of high health insurance cost. But, it seems enough people out there have great plans that they only pay token premiums along with good coverage so that there really is a great movement to do anthing about the situation.
