Bush Re-election Ads

[Eddie Haskell]

Hey Hoops:

Thats a great f***ing point. What the hell is the difference between these commercials and those souvenier hawkers selling tee shirts and other such "memorabilia" in lower Manhattan? Those scumbags are trying to profit off of a national tradgedy.

The scumbag in DC is trying to get re-elected off of a national tradgedy. I'll bet (oops, I can't) many of you Bush supporters condemned those hawkers outside the ruins of the world trade center.

Explain the difference please. Both are trying to profit from a tradgedy. Nothing more need be said.

Ed

PS: Peanuts, here, get your peanuts here, cheaper on the outside......

 

[Jackal]

Ummm, Eddie did you basically just say Bush has worse morals than Hitler. That inference itself is 1000 times worse than any commercial. You chould be ashamed of yourself.

 

[StevieD]

I still do not see what Bush that was so great after the attack. Anyone in office, whether it be Bush, Gore, or the Olsen Twins would have attacked the Taliban. Iraq is just a diversion as they posed no real threat. I see a lot of money wasted at airports, scanning for nail clippers and what not while letting suitcases go thru without being scanned. Lets not forget that the terrorists couldn't even complete their mission on 911. As soon as word got out what had happened the passengers brought the plane down. Before that time we were told to sit still as no one had been hurt in a hijacking. Now if someone tried to take a box cutter out of his shoe he would be torn apart on the plane. Bush could have directed the monies spent on luggage that could contain bombs instead of searching the soles of the feet of old ladies for knitting needles! The money spent in Iraq could also have been spent here putting up a defense.
As for the ad Bush has ridden that day like a personal triumph since it happened. He should be ashamed of himself.

 

[Turfgrass]

George Bush has been president of the United States for three and one-half years. During that time, what is the single most important event that happened, not just here, but anywhere in the world? Let's state it more strongly. What one event defines the first Bush term?

Now Bush runs an advertisement that features fleeting images of 9/11. A shot of an American Flag flying outside at the scene of the destruction in New York, and of some firefighters. As soon as these ads hit the television screens various Democrats and Kerry supporters across the country reacted with immediate outrage.

For today's study in political absurdity we will take a look at a letter that Frank Lautenberg, The Democrat Senator from New Jersey, sent to Bush:

Dear Mr. President:
As you may know, over 700 of my constituents died in the horrific attacks of September 11, 2001. .... Using images [from] the horrific and tragic event for political ends demeans and dishonors those who died and the families who lost loved ones on that day. ... I urge you to direct your campaign to immediately withdraw these advertisements."

The president of the International Association of Fire Fighters also chimed in. Harold Schaitberger said that "I'm disappointed but not surprised that the President would try to trade on the heroism of those fire fighters in the September 11 attacks." Most of the newspapers and broadcast newscasts who carried Schaitberger's remarks failed to also state that Shaitberger endorsed John Kerry several months ago and is a constant fixture on the Kerry campaign trail, usually standing behind Kerry with a huge smile on his face.

If you live in a primary state undoubtedly you've seen those television ads featuring John Kerry carrying his M-16 through the Vietnamese jungles. As you know over 50,000 people died in Vietnam. So, where is the outrage over John Kerry exploiting a tragedy that cost 50,000 American lives for his political campaign? Oh! You say that Kerry actually served in Vietnam, and that's different. Well Bush serve in the war on terror ... as Commander in Chief in fact ... and highlighting that service as part of a reelection campaign is entirely appropriate.

When do you think Frank Lautenberg is going to send a letter to John Kerry saying "As you know, over 3,500 of my constituents died in Vietnam. Using images from that horrific war for political ends demeans and dishonors those who died and the families who lost loved ones that day." Yeah ... hold your breath waiting for that one.

Isn't this just about as stupid as things get in a political campaign? The Democrats are trying to write a rather remarkable set of rules for this election season. They are doing so with the complete and almost unanimous support of the media. Thus far we have:

1. Inasmuch as John Kerry served in Vietnam, any negative reference to John Kerry's voting record during his 19 years in the Senate of the United States shall be deemed to be an attack on Kerry's patriotism.

2. Any images of Vietnam used in Kerry campaign commercials are not only appropriate, but serve as proof positive of John Kerry's fitness to serve the country as its president.

3. Any images of 9/11 used in Bush campaign commercials are not only inappropriate and exploitive, but shall also serve as proof positive that George Bush is unfit to serve the country as its president.

4. Any group of people who support the reelection of George Bush shall be deemed a "special interest." Any group of people who support the campaign of John Kerry shall be deemed a "constituency."

Can you believe the election is still 8 months away? It's like when you were a kid trying to sleep on Christmas eve....you can hardly wait.

 

[pirate fan]

Very well stated Turfgrass. Isn't this rediculous .It almost sounds if you carried a gun before or only if you are some sort of hero are you capable of running the government, not that either one of these guys are heros.:shrug: Politics will bring out a lot of emotion and the ads and BS will get much worse. What will we see tomorrow? I am already getting tired of this and like you say, 8 more months.:thefinger

 

[shamrock]

personally I'm a independent voting, I like to listen to the candidates and vote for who I think will do the better job. I sincerely think the rather large group of Americans that simply vote on party, "vote the Way their daddy did", are missing the boat and almost as ignorant as those who fail to utilize their ability to vote.

All that said, I voted for Bush last election. My brother tends to be more Republican, also he was in the 7th floor of the wtc on 9/11/01. 27 of his coworkers were killed that day. Totally unrelated to this thread he expressed his unhappiness with these Bush adds today. That's good enough for me.

Senator Kerry is a nice enough guy, served honorable, I believe he has 4 Purple hearts & 2 silver stars. When I have seen him speak publicly, he is generally knowledgeable and well spoken. That said I have to tell you, he hasn't got that much done in Massachusetts. He has been a fixture in this State a long time, and frankly I don't see to much that he has accomplished.

I do know he has been extremely active and giving to MIA' s & POW' s. Even making several trips to Vietnam & Cambodia tying to recover remains for these folks families.

Honestly I can't say he is totally presidential material, that said I don't think Bush has been presidential material either. I don't think anyone could argue that someone else in this country would be better suited. And I think that is the sad part. Because of all the media shit and everything else that goes with it, the most gifted and qualified will never run. Think about it, who would really want to be president in these days.

Best
shamrock

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Don't you think its kinda funny that your kind talked about how Dole carried guns and Clinton didn't a few years back when you tried to get your boy elected (by the way, how does he masturbate?). You all were talkin bout how Clinton was this big draft dodger, etc. Now those same people are strangely silent when it comes Air Guard Bush and his Daddys Political Pull Buddies.

Consistency kids, consistency. Not only when it fits your particular persuasion.

Ed

 

[Penguinfan]

Even though I am a card carrying member of the young republicans club I tend to agree with Eddie here. Even though Bush did a good job of bringing the nation together after 9-11 he should in no way, shape or form try to capitalize on it, sorry, the situation is bigger than even the presidency.

Now Eddie, the problem I have with the Democrats is reguardless of the situation their response to any questions is "Well, what do the Republicans want?" and then they instinctivly go the other direction reguardless of the potential risk, benefit or problem.

Penguinfan

 

[AR182]

turfgrass,

that was really a great post, maybe because i agree with everything you said.

others have made great points as well, & if we weren't in this position (terrorism) i would probably vote the other way. but i don't trust kerry or most dems. in this situation, especially when i hear the dems. state that they want to get the u.n. involved in iraq. where was the u.n. when saddam was violating 17 sanctions ? where was the u.n. in making sure that our "allies" didn't illegally trade with saddam ? no, i think electing a dem. under these conditions is dangerous.

eddie, my friend i was born 1950, so fdr was before my time.

 

[Snake Plissken]

The Democratic reaction to President Bush's new campaign ads is really appalling.
For months now, various Democrats have been accusing the president of felonies up to and including treason, without one iota of evidence to back it up. Apparently, they consider this fair political discourse. The President airs a couple of ads reminding us of how he rose to the occasion after 9/11, and they howl a line has been crossed. Are these people for real?
Of course, it's no surprise they'd object to ads that remind people of 9/11. After all, their whole platform is based on pretending it never happened and that we can return to the polices that allowed 9/11 to happen in the first place.

 

[ctownguy]

Absolutely correct Snake, it is and always has been and always will be except for Fox the BIG DOUBLE STANDARD WHEN covering presidential elections.

Just the same way it was covered when the coward clinton ran against Dole, the media wouldn't let it become an issue, but I fault Dole more than the media for not taking his case over clinton's lying about his draft dodging etc. Dole thought he could win by being a nice guy and it got him buried.

You talk about heroes and kerry being one, what a crock, Dole and Bush Sr were real heroes on how they served.

 

[dr. freeze]

This is preposterous....first they whine about running on the issues....so Bush runs on the issues...then they whine about "exploiting" 9-11....LMAO....meanwhile every democratic congressman in NY did the same thing when they ran in 2002

Its so absurd and this hypocritical criticism is so ridiculous that all you can do is laugh

meanwhile Kerry talks about his service in Vietnam.....Hey Kerry PEOPLE DIED THERE!!!!! YOU ROTTEN SCOUNDREL!!!! YOU ARE EXPLOITING THEIR DEATHS FOR YOUR POLITICAL GAIN!!!!! THis is what the democrats would say if the tables were turned...

 

[Chanman]

IDIOT! NEANDERTHAL! U MEAN TO TELL ME HASKELL THAT blah,blah,blah :cursin:

I too think this is your best post Eddie and am surprised@ the way you've presented it. There is nothing I can add that dawgball & AR 182 haven't already.
Good point about consistency, but most won't look that deep. I think almost all politicians are political whores- thats what it takes, IMHO. I agree that many will be offended by the ads, but Bush & Co. gamble that more will be motivated- playin to the NASCAR crowd I guess. Lets face it- We only have two choices. I personally would rather vote for Nader, but it is a wasted vote-much like the fact that I preferred McClintock over Arnie a few mos ago, but that vote would have been 'wasted' as well.
Thank God for the StevieD, Ocelot, bjfinste, redsfann, Hellah, etc. that can make me think and decide what is best for US-not just me. (djv- I do not mean anything by this at all, but you should get to AC or LV and kick your heels up for a time. Seriously, the Softball Team is a romp, try your luck, ($), as you can't take it w/you and don't read a paper for at least a week...just like to see you have a good time if it means you have to get away.)
I've been turned off by these types of ads ever since they called Bush Sr a wimp-youngest fighter pilot shot down in the Pacific@ the time and took shots@ Bob Dole who lost an arm and on and on. I would hope that most ppl would decide on a candidates record and their stance on important issues- but that is not the case.
And Eddie I fully expect you to take a ride to & from AC in AR's limo-smoke all his stash and stiff him for the bill only after showing the sportsmen how to golf ala Chevy Chase in CaddyShack and regaling the softball team w/your wit & charm. AND I still offer my services as your caddy next SB in LV if the opportunity arises. Plus I still want $100 on the Aryan Nation- DTB/6'5". :142squint

 

[old7fig]

Americans are so stupid that they forgot why we had to go to war!! Bush knows he has lost votes from the ones against the war. Bush is just reminding all these dumbass' why we went to war. Yeah we went to war to stop another terrible accident from happening on American Soil. I dont want the US to be at war neither does Bush, but I think he loves freedom; I know I do. Everyone loves the freedom of this country but dont understand or remember how freedom is obtained and sustained. Vote Bush in 2004 - (So you can sit at your desk comfortably, with no worries of another 9-11)


P.S. (To the ones against the war.)

(In Theory)-Lets say we never went to war. Thus, two planes are hi-jacked, crashed into buildings killing 3 or 4 thousand Americans.
I can hear it now!!! It would all be Mr. Bush's fault. If we would have went to war none of this would ever happen. And on and on and on. F---ing spoiled Americans.


Vote Life and Freedom. Vote Bush.

This is all coming from a 23 year old gambling addict so for all the ones that disagree, dont take it too seriously its just the truth.

 

[djv]

So if I understand all you guys Bush is running on the issues. What issues? That he showed up at the 9/11 sight on 9/14 and said what anyone with a brain would say. We will find them.
Turf ask your self why has the Int'l Association of Fire Fighters backed Kerry. I wonder if it has anything to do with funding they have been promised now for 2 years. But never seen a dime. Just one of those small issues. Or like dont leave a child behind that is half funded. Or the 620 billion in taxes Corporations have avoid paying last 3 years. How? By opening up a post offices box off shore. Sure they paid there fair share like abunch of BS. Anyone give a chit about that. That amount alone could wipe out the deficit. Ot like our top 6 richest people in America tax break they just got. It adds up to over 1.7 billion dollars. I wonder if Bush's great team will ever find out how to create some jobs. So yes let the 9/11 be in those adds in the back ground. Lets honor the fire fighters and rescue folks. But sooner or later lets talk about issues that are current. I mean other then Iraq becasue thats a mess to. I want to here the truth about how much money he's blowing on the medicare drug program. Everytime it's brought up another number comes out. Same with jobs. It started with 2.5 million this year. Thats now down to 1 million.

 

[kosar]

djv- I do not mean anything by this at all, but you should get to AC or LV and kick your heels up for a time. Seriously, the Softball Team is a romp, try your luck, ($), as you can't take it w/you and don't read a paper for at least a week...just like to see you have a good time if it means you have to get away.)

lol-yeah, I think DJV could really use some fresh air. He's been a posting machine the last couple of weeks and to be honest, i'm a little worried about him.

 

[djv]

Kosar im haveing one of those fake outrages. It's so easy as you know to suck-em in and get them all wild. Some go right out of there minds. Or maybe they are the real fake outrage dudes.

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

Bush was in office eight months when the attacks took place.

I'm not sure that he was in office for 8 months. He was at his ranch in Texas or at Camp David for over 40% of the time between election and 9/11. But, I digress . . .

I've got no problem with the images that he uses, but then again, I don't know anyone that died in the tragedy. This seems pretty tame in comparison to what's going to come out later. (For Bush and Kerry)

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

Here you go, DTB
lazy SOB

It's not working harder, It's working SMARTER:bigear:

 

[Blitz]

Lets see if I can draw an analogy. Let me take you back to 1944 (the only person alive then who frequents these boards was AR, hell even Madjack Sr. wasn't alive then). We need to assume that television was as available as it is now.

Lets say FDR, in an attempt to get re-elected, runs the same ad but shows photographs of the bodies of American sailors being recovered from the Arizona in Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. I would be just as disgusted as I am with Mr. Bush.

Ed, here is a campaign button from FDR's re-election run and excerps from rushlimbaugh.com....

Can you imagine Abraham Lincoln running without mentioning his leadership during the Civil War? Can you imagine FDR running without mentioning his accomplishments during World War II? Can you imagine Lyndon Johnson insisting that Vietnam not be raised should he run for a second term? He didn't run, but can you imagine the reaction if LBJ said Vietnam ought not be a part of this campaign?

What the Democrats are demanding is asinine, because matters of war and peace are exactly the kind of serious and important issues that need to be debated prior to electing a commander-in-chief. Commander-in-chief, folks! The problem is that John Kerry's record doesn't stand up on this. Bush's does, and that's the problem the Democrats have.

As you can tell from the FDR campaign button we found, FDR used the war. We did some further research and found from the May 12th, 2000, edition of the Washington Post, "In 1944, with the U.S. deeply involved in World War II, president Franklin D. Roosevelt campaigned for a fourth term arguing that his reelection was essential for an allied victory." It turns out that the godfather of the modern Democratic Party campaigned in ways they now think are vicious and mean in 1944. Who is it today that looks like FDR? It's George W. Bush.