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Bush Said Bring-em On!
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First off Bush wasn't talking to the Iraqi's. He was talking to us. The last time he talked tough his aproval rating went up. This time the sound bite backfired.
As for his Military service he took the real cowards way out of Vietnam. He seved as a tin soldier during Vietnam. He had daddy get him into the National Guard. In those days the National Guard didn't have a chance of being called to go to Nam and it was full of rich kids with political connections. Kind of like that affermative action but this was only for the rich and powerful.
That way they didn't have to go fight a war they knew was BS but didn't have to put it on the line and refuse to go either.
As for his Military service he took the real cowards way out of Vietnam. He seved as a tin soldier during Vietnam. He had daddy get him into the National Guard. In those days the National Guard didn't have a chance of being called to go to Nam and it was full of rich kids with political connections. Kind of like that affermative action but this was only for the rich and powerful.
That way they didn't have to go fight a war they knew was BS but didn't have to put it on the line and refuse to go either.
I'm not taking side's but I do have an opinion here. First of all,what kid in there right mind would not do anything possible to keep from going to fight in a war? If I get honest here, I can promise you I would have done anything not to go to Vietnam. If my Dad, Preacher, Doctor, ect. could help keep me out I would have gladly recieved the pardon. I would do anything possible to keep my son from going. Having said that I am as proud as any American can be that our armed forces have done the job they have for all of us throughout history. It is something that none of us could ever repay any of those men. I just believe it is unfair to bash someone for not WANTING to go to the front lines of a war,especially when that war was 30+ year's ago. Does ANYBODY here want to be racked over the coals for something they did,or didn't do over 30 years ago?:shrug:
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? He served as an F-102 fighter pilot in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War, 1968-1973.
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George W. Bush
(July 6, 1946 - )
Life Facts
Personal:
? First Lady: Laura Welch Bush, Wife
? Number of Children: 2
? Education Level: Graduate
? School Attended: Yale University, Harvard University
? Religion: Methodist
? Profession: Businessman
? Military Service: Lieutenant
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? Dates of Presidency: 1/20/2001 -
? Presidency Number: 43
? Number of Terms: 1
? Why Presidency Ended: Still in office
? Party: Republican
? His Vice President(s): Dick Cheney
? Governor of a State: Texas (1995-2000)
Methodology and Resources
Presidential Places
Birthplace: New Haven
Reference Material
Bibliography
Inaugural Address
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American Presidents Programming
Week of January 20
? Jan 20, 11:30 AM: George W. Bush's Inauguration Ceremony Watch
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Because so many guys were ducking into reserve units. They were frozen in 1967. They needed men in the active military. But Dad Bush pulled the strings for his son and kept him out. While 1000 of others died.
Michaeljbird I am surprised about your comments. Your so ready for this fight in Iraq. But admit you would have ran away from Nam. That sounds like what Bushs dad did for him. Found a place to hide.
Scott you fall in some dream world. Im glad you think all those Iraqis are just happier then chit we came to there rescue. But that was not why we went there. Your right things will workout someday. Might take 5 to 10 years. Heck if they wanted there freedom so dam bad why should it take that long.
Point is why do we need to do all the clean up work.
And we need Bush to try and catch his breath and not sound so cocky. These are real lives being lost. It's not some fu///// game.
Michaeljbird I am surprised about your comments. Your so ready for this fight in Iraq. But admit you would have ran away from Nam. That sounds like what Bushs dad did for him. Found a place to hide.
Scott you fall in some dream world. Im glad you think all those Iraqis are just happier then chit we came to there rescue. But that was not why we went there. Your right things will workout someday. Might take 5 to 10 years. Heck if they wanted there freedom so dam bad why should it take that long.
Point is why do we need to do all the clean up work.
And we need Bush to try and catch his breath and not sound so cocky. These are real lives being lost. It's not some fu///// game.
I wish that the answers were as simple as posting in a thread. Every point that is being made is valid and good. I just wish we could come to some conclusion where no one else had to die. I agree that we started this fight, weather that was right or wrong I do not know, and we have to finish it. I don't know if that means helping these people clean up or bombing the chit out of them. Part of me wants this to be over and just go in there flex our big azz American muscles and show these people that you are either with us or against us no questions ask. But then I think about the innocent people, the people who are happy that we are there. My nephew writes home to me telling me how many men, women & children run up to him and kiss his hands and thank him. I don't see any reasoning in why the innocent should suffer for the hate of so few. But on the same hand it is so hard to tell the difference between the good and the evil and good American men and women are dying everyday.
Again, I just wish the answer was simple. I can say that I am glad I am not the President because I wouldn't want to be the one making decisions right now.
One thing I am sure of "God Bless America and OUR Men and Women fighting to Protect Us. God's Speed to All of Them."
Miss Melissa
Again, I just wish the answer was simple. I can say that I am glad I am not the President because I wouldn't want to be the one making decisions right now.
One thing I am sure of "God Bless America and OUR Men and Women fighting to Protect Us. God's Speed to All of Them."
Miss Melissa
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Listen djv we may be there five years. So what. It has allowed us to get out of Saudi Arabia. Being in Saudi Arabia was what got us in the mess with Bin Laden.
And djv guess what. We are standing on the largest oil reserves in the world. You think we are leaving any time soon ? Nope.
So suck it up and accept the facts. We need to be there. Stand our ground or we will have more 911's or have you forgot about that already. They can have their stupid country back when we are ready. Look what they lived through for so many years and couldnt do anything about it. At least they will have better lives now. Isnt that what America is all about ?
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originally posted by djv
Michaeljbird I am surprised about your comments. Your so ready for this fight in Iraq. But admit you would have ran away from Nam. That sounds like what Bushs dad did for him. Found a place to hide.
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DJV, I don't want to be misunderstood, I personally would not want to fight in ANY war. I personally am not READY for ANY WAR. Yes, I would do ANYTHING to keep myself or my son from having to face front line confrontation in ANY war. My family is loaded with veteran's from several war's. My grandfather, father-in-law are both World War II vet's. My Uncle (8 year's older than myself) is a Vietnam vet. I have see photo's he took while he was on the frontline . Trust me, they are the most horrific photo's I've ever seen. I have met several of his buddie's in the year's since their return,I've heard first hand how they lost their friend's,I've witnessed the mental anguish these men face, TO THIS DAY,so call me what you want,bash my view,all you want,but NO, I would not want to endure a frontline experience,and I wouldn't want my son to have to. Because I feel so strongly about that, it make's me love and appreciate our troop's that much more for the sacrafice's they have made, are making, and will continue to make for me and you.
originally posted by djv
Michaeljbird I am surprised about your comments. Your so ready for this fight in Iraq. But admit you would have ran away from Nam. That sounds like what Bushs dad did for him. Found a place to hide.
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DJV, I don't want to be misunderstood, I personally would not want to fight in ANY war. I personally am not READY for ANY WAR. Yes, I would do ANYTHING to keep myself or my son from having to face front line confrontation in ANY war. My family is loaded with veteran's from several war's. My grandfather, father-in-law are both World War II vet's. My Uncle (8 year's older than myself) is a Vietnam vet. I have see photo's he took while he was on the frontline . Trust me, they are the most horrific photo's I've ever seen. I have met several of his buddie's in the year's since their return,I've heard first hand how they lost their friend's,I've witnessed the mental anguish these men face, TO THIS DAY,so call me what you want,bash my view,all you want,but NO, I would not want to endure a frontline experience,and I wouldn't want my son to have to. Because I feel so strongly about that, it make's me love and appreciate our troop's that much more for the sacrafice's they have made, are making, and will continue to make for me and you.
Jbird very nicely put. I don't believe I have what it takes to endure a front line battle and believe me I would try and stop my son from going also. But given a circumstance where I had to fight or my son HAD to fight I would be the first one to sign. Hopefully it never comes to that. I would never run even though I would want to.
The question has nothing to do with wanting to fight on the front lines or not.
The question is ...
If you were called would you serve ?.
KOD
The question is ...
If you were called would you serve ?.
KOD
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You won't have to worry about that jasonsmom, females are generally seen as unfit for the armed services. It mostly has to do with their monthly cycle and the wild mood swings. In that sort of situation, unstable people get people killed.
PP
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You won't have to worry about that jasonsmom, females are generally seen as unfit for the armed services. It mostly has to do with their monthly cycle and the wild mood swings. In that sort of situation, unstable people get people killed.
PP
I sit in front of the televison every single day and just want to cry. I am filled up every day with such compassion for the men and women who fight wars for our country. They amaze me with their courage. I can not imagine where it comes from. But some people have it. Not every person would run if they could. Those men and women over there right now, signed up. They have something that I could only imagine. Every interview I've seen, they never blink, they are not afraid. They are confident in their training and believe in their cause. Is it fair to those men and women that the priveledged can run and hide???? I don't think so. I have a son and would do anything for him. I pray very hard that he wouldn't be a coward. But I would never teach him to be one either. I wouldn't want him to ever have to go to war. But if he was called up, he would go. It is our duty to protect our country. Just as the thousands of men did before us. Thank God for every single one of them. It is because of them that we can sit here today and openly say our opinions. For that I am grateful.
God Bless the men and women of the U.S. Military!!!!!!!
God Bless the men and women of the U.S. Military!!!!!!!
P.S. I don't like Bush. I think that he is REAL brave sitting at Camp David. It is very easy to talk tough as much as he does when he isn't getting shot at or bombed. It is very easy to taunt the whole world when your husband, wife, mother, father, son or daughter isn't over there. I think he was a little too anxious to get this war started.
Just some questions??? We started this war because of the threat of chemical and nuclear weapons, right??? Have they been discovered yet. We weren't going in there to dismantle their government, were we? It seems like in the middle our agenda changed. I'm not real sure about anything going on now. The was is over, people are still dying. Saddam is dead, oh wait he is alive. We're spending millions on rebuilding, we have millions to give away. (I thought he was dead!!)
Just some questions??? We started this war because of the threat of chemical and nuclear weapons, right??? Have they been discovered yet. We weren't going in there to dismantle their government, were we? It seems like in the middle our agenda changed. I'm not real sure about anything going on now. The was is over, people are still dying. Saddam is dead, oh wait he is alive. We're spending millions on rebuilding, we have millions to give away. (I thought he was dead!!)
Helen you sound like many Americans are starting to.
Reasons changed so many times who knows why anymore.
Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. We still have not completed that chase. And im with you big time. I hate to see our folks getting killed for what ever is the thought of the day. I have seen all the war I need to. Many friends never came home. I dont even care to talk about my experiances. But I can only pray our guys and gals dont face some of the chit I saw and we bring them home soon. Im afraid Scott is right. It's more about oil then anything else.
Reasons changed so many times who knows why anymore.
Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. We still have not completed that chase. And im with you big time. I hate to see our folks getting killed for what ever is the thought of the day. I have seen all the war I need to. Many friends never came home. I dont even care to talk about my experiances. But I can only pray our guys and gals dont face some of the chit I saw and we bring them home soon. Im afraid Scott is right. It's more about oil then anything else.
djv, your alright by me man. I sincerely mean that. My heart goes out to you and anyone else that has had any experiences in a war. Just wanted you to know that buddy.
You guys are confusing the issues.
Bush's comment of "bring it on" is childish tough talk that he used simply to promote his own agenda. The war in Iraq is not over, not by a longshot, yet why we are there is wherein the real question lies. Bush's comments, in my opinion, are to deflect criticism of the fact that no WMD's have been found nor will they. We are in this war the country is in the highest unemployment rate in years due to George Bush's personal agenda. What you want to believe is fine with me, but before you start rattling off something about terrorists and WMD's you had better have proof. Was Hussien crazy, maybe, was he producing WMD's which is the reason we went to war, so far the proof says no. I have served my country and served during conflict of which I was involved. I never questioned why or where until after it was over. The problem with Bush is simple, he is a dolt. He is everything that is wrong with the United States and the Republican Party. Money rules, simply stated. Integrity and intelligence stand for nothing anymore. The media prints it and we follow along like goats to a dump. It is sad.
FDC
Bush's comment of "bring it on" is childish tough talk that he used simply to promote his own agenda. The war in Iraq is not over, not by a longshot, yet why we are there is wherein the real question lies. Bush's comments, in my opinion, are to deflect criticism of the fact that no WMD's have been found nor will they. We are in this war the country is in the highest unemployment rate in years due to George Bush's personal agenda. What you want to believe is fine with me, but before you start rattling off something about terrorists and WMD's you had better have proof. Was Hussien crazy, maybe, was he producing WMD's which is the reason we went to war, so far the proof says no. I have served my country and served during conflict of which I was involved. I never questioned why or where until after it was over. The problem with Bush is simple, he is a dolt. He is everything that is wrong with the United States and the Republican Party. Money rules, simply stated. Integrity and intelligence stand for nothing anymore. The media prints it and we follow along like goats to a dump. It is sad.
FDC
FDC I think we have bumped opinions once or twice in the past, that is cool. Freedom of speech lives, but man what you said, right on! I agree 110%! It is sad but that is the way I see it also.
I had a father of WWII vintage who stated until this country goes full out in Nam and bombs the F#ck out of North Vietnam, he did not want any of his sons involved. That was pussyfooting around back then. Even though this said, He & I respect and honor my friends and countrymen who served in Nam.
My uncle (WWII Army Air Corp) asked me in Sept of 2001, Your boys are cannon fodder age, right , Gene? Damn that hit home, I have spoke with WWII vets who were on the brink of the invasion of Japan, they have nothing but praise for the Atom Bomb.
Paul Tibbets may have put it best when he stated something to the effect of all war is hell. I feel for the families of the lost soldiers and pray for those souls.
I had a draft card but did not have to go. Some of my older friends went to college to dodge. I would have served but eternally glad I didn't have to.
I had a father of WWII vintage who stated until this country goes full out in Nam and bombs the F#ck out of North Vietnam, he did not want any of his sons involved. That was pussyfooting around back then. Even though this said, He & I respect and honor my friends and countrymen who served in Nam.
My uncle (WWII Army Air Corp) asked me in Sept of 2001, Your boys are cannon fodder age, right , Gene? Damn that hit home, I have spoke with WWII vets who were on the brink of the invasion of Japan, they have nothing but praise for the Atom Bomb.
Paul Tibbets may have put it best when he stated something to the effect of all war is hell. I feel for the families of the lost soldiers and pray for those souls.
I had a draft card but did not have to go. Some of my older friends went to college to dodge. I would have served but eternally glad I didn't have to.
