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Global Warming is not due to human contribution of Carbon Dioxide
Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?
By Timothy Ball

Monday, February 5, 2007

Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to make people open up their eyes and see the truth. But few listen, despite the fact that I was the first Canadian Ph.D. in Climatology and I have an extensive background in climatology, especially the reconstruction of past climates and the impact of climate change on human history and the human condition.?Few listen, even though I have a Ph.D, (Doctor of Science) from the University of London, England and was a climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg.? . For some reason (actually for many), the World is not listening. Here is why.


What would happen if tomorrow we were told that, after all, the Earth is flat? It would probably be the most important piece of news in the media and would generate a lot of debate. So why is it that when scientists who have studied the Global Warming phenomenon for years say that humans are not the cause nobody listens? Why does no one acknowledge that the Emperor has no clothes on?

Believe it or not, Global Warming is not due to human contribution of Carbon Dioxide (CO2). This in fact is the greatest deception in the history of science. We are wasting time, energy and trillions of dollars while creating unnecessary fear and consternation over an issue with no scientific justification. For example, Environment Canada brags about spending $3.7 billion in the last five years dealing with climate change almost all on propaganda trying to defend an indefensible scientific position while at the same time closing weather stations and failing to meet legislated pollution targets.

No sensible person seeks conflict, especially with governments, but if we don't pursue the truth, we are lost as individuals and as a society. That is why I insist on saying that there is no evidence that we are, or could ever cause global climate change. And, recently, Yuri A. Izrael, Vice President of the United Nations sponsored Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) confirmed this statement. So how has the world come to believe that something is wrong?

Maybe for the same reason we believed, 30 years ago, that global cooling was the biggest threat: a matter of faith. "It is a cold fact: the Global Cooling presents humankind with the most important social, political, and adaptive challenge we have had to deal with for ten thousand years. Your stake in the decisions we make concerning it is of ultimate importance; the survival of ourselves, our children, our species," wrote Lowell Ponte in 1976.

I was as opposed to the threats of impending doom global cooling engendered as I am to the threats made about Global Warming. Let me stress I am not denying the phenomenon has occurred. The world has warmed since 1680, the nadir of a cool period called the Little Ice Age (LIA) that has generally continued to the present. These climate changes are well within natural variability and explained quite easily by changes in the sun. But there is nothing unusual going on.

Since I obtained my doctorate in climatology from the University of London, Queen Mary College, England my career has spanned two climate cycles. Temperatures declined from 1940 to 1980 and in the early 1970's global cooling became the consensus. This proves that consensus is not a scientific fact. By the 1990's temperatures appeared to have reversed and Global Warming became the consensus. It appears I'll witness another cycle before retiring, as the major mechanisms and the global temperature trends now indicate a cooling.

No doubt passive acceptance yields less stress, fewer personal attacks and makes career progress easier. What I have experienced in my personal life during the last years makes me understand why most people choose not to speak out; job security and fear of reprisals. Even in University, where free speech and challenge to prevailing wisdoms are supposedly encouraged, academics remain silent.

I once received a three page letter that my lawyer defined as libellous, from an academic colleague, saying I had no right to say what I was saying, especially in public lectures. Sadly, my experience is that universities are the most dogmatic and oppressive places in our society. This becomes progressively worse as they receive more and more funding from governments that demand a particular viewpoint.

In another instance, I was accused by Canadian environmentalist David Suzuki of being paid by oil companies. That is a lie. Apparently he thinks if the fossil fuel companies pay you have an agenda. So if Greenpeace, Sierra Club or governments pay there is no agenda and only truth and enlightenment?

Personal attacks are difficult and shouldn't occur in a debate in a civilized society. I can only consider them from what they imply. They usually indicate a person or group is losing the debate. In this case, they also indicate how political the entire Global Warming debate has become. Both underline the lack of or even contradictory nature of the evidence.

I am not alone in this journey against the prevalent myth. Several well-known names have also raised their voices. Michael Crichton, the scientist, writer and filmmaker is one of them. In his latest book, "State of Fear" he takes time to explain, often in surprising detail, the flawed science behind Global Warming and other imagined environmental crises.

Another cry in the wildenerness is Richard Lindzen's. He is an atmospheric physicist and a professor of meteorology at MIT, renowned for his research in dynamic meteorology - especially atmospheric waves. He is also a member of the National Academy of Sciences and has held positions at the University of Chicago, Harvard University and MIT. Linzen frequently speaks out against the notion that significant Global Warming is caused by humans. Yet nobody seems to listen.

I think it may be because most people don't understand the scientific method which Thomas Kuhn so skilfully and briefly set out in his book "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions." A scientist makes certain assumptions and then produces a theory which is only as valid as the assumptions. The theory of Global Warming assumes that CO2 is an atmospheric greenhouse gas and as it increases temperatures rise. It was then theorized that since humans were producing more CO2 than before, the temperature would inevitably rise. The theory was accepted before testing had started, and effectively became a law.

As Lindzen said many years ago: "the consensus was reached before the research had even begun." Now, any scientist who dares to question the prevailing wisdom is marginalized and called a sceptic, when in fact they are simply being good scientists. This has reached frightening levels with these scientists now being called climate change denier with all the holocaust connotations of that word. The normal scientific method is effectively being thwarted.

Meanwhile, politicians are being listened to, even though most of them have no knowledge or understanding of science, especially the science of climate and climate change. Hence, they are in no position to question a policy on climate change when it threatens the entire planet. Moreover, using fear and creating hysteria makes it very difficult to make calm rational decisions about issues needing attention.

Until you have challenged the prevailing wisdom you have no idea how nasty people can be. Until you have re-examined any issue in an attempt to find out all the information, you cannot know how much misinformation exists in the supposed age of information.

I was greatly influenced several years ago by Aaron Wildavsky's book "Yes, but is it true?" The author taught political science at a New York University and realized how science was being influenced by and apparently misused by politics. He gave his graduate students an assignment to pursue the science behind a policy generated by a highly publicised environmental concern. To his and their surprise they found there was little scientific evidence, consensus and justification for the policy. You only realize the extent to which Wildavsky's findings occur when you ask the question he posed. Wildavsky's students did it in the safety of academia and with the excuse that it was an assignment. I have learned it is a difficult question to ask in the real world, however I firmly believe it is the most important question to ask if we are to advance in the right direction.


Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (www.nrsp.com), is a Victoria-based environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. He can be reached at letters@canadafreepress.com
 

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Like betting, ain't it? Got to see through the bullskit to make the bucks. Global warming was never anything but someone's computer model. The forces behind it are not scientists but politicians.
 

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None of us will be around to see witch side had it right. Someone about 5 years old should.
Almost for got if for no other reason. None of us should be against cleaner air and water. It's better to be able to swim in the river, then watch it burn. And of course you have these people that say they wont go in a resturant if smoking is allowed. But will stand outside a mfg plant with that old stack spewing what ever it is out the top. So when they blow there nosie it comes out black. That's the one that makes me laugh.
And at least the business I was in. Started to police it self to stop 50 years of dumping used refrigrant in to the air. They new it raised hell with ozone. But hey its about money to do away wth it right way.
 
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It's obviously no surprise that DTB runs to the opinion of a guy owned by Canadian oil companies and the conservative party. I mean he could choose from the far more numerous articles showing clear evidence of our effects on global warming, but naturally he goes for the oil guy.
 

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smurphy,

Can you or anybody else on this board tell me what caused the glaciers that covered a great deal of North America multiple times over the last 2 million years to retreat to the point that they have now?

http://www.isgs.uiuc.edu/isgshome/glacial.htm

History is much longer then what we have observed in our lifetime.
 

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They've only been measuring global temperatures for the last 100 years. The average has moved a portion of one degree. Clearly it is time to FREAK OUT.
 

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History is much longer then what we have observed in our lifetime.
Yes, I agree - and I'm not in the alarmist category by any means. It doesn't take much research to see that industrialization has had SOME impact on the climate. It might not be as severe as the Al Gore types claim, but it certainly isn't zero.

There is more money being spent to discredit global warming than to prove it. All I'd like to see is the research to be given a chance, free from corporate influences or the same old political battles.
 

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Smurph Somehow you forgot to mention---

first Canadian Ph.D. in Climatology and I have an extensive background in climatology, especially the reconstruction of past climates and the impact of climate change on human history and the human condition.?Few listen, even though I have a Ph.D, (Doctor of Science) from the University of London, England and was a climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg.? . For some reason (actually for many), the World is not listening.


Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (www.nrsp.com), is a Victoria-based environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. He can be reached at letters@canadafreepress.com

but then again Al Gore disagrees :shrug:




"There is more money being spent to discredit global warming than to prove it."

and what do you base that opinion on??

If you think there aren't a bunch out there ready to cash in on global warming hoopla--you are mistaken.

Maybe you could share with us why you believe global warming is man made--and eveidence to support it. I would be interested if hearing your side.

Myself I don't know--but what I do know is i will not jump on bandwagon of those below that make assertions with no merit---

Dire Warnings

Some dire warnings came out of the summary of a forthcoming United Nations scientific report on climate change ? such as the conclusion that global warming is most likely caused by humans, might spark fierce natural disasters and could be around for centuries.

A sample of mainstream media reaction ? ABC News "(there is) no longer any question that the earth is warming. The warming is due to greenhouse gasses and those gasses are produced by us." CBS ? "the planet is warming up, and it's our fault." The New York Times says the report "lays the whole problem at humanity's doorstep."

But as we pointed out Friday ? critics say the summary is actually the work of political appointees and not scientists. And The Wall Street Journal says the technical report to be released in a few months will backpedal from several earlier predictions ? such as a decrease by half in the estimated sea level rise and a finding that the last report overestimated human influence on climate change since the industrial revolution by one-third.
 

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Good catch, smurph. Plenty to read about Mr. Ball - the "expert" that Wayne trumpets here. Of course, if anyone posted any expert to say otherwise, it would be dismissed as someone trying to make money off of global warming. Wayne is very good at doing the exact things he criticizes...liberal bias claims, political funding for opinions, etc. Here is just one article written about Mr. Ball that sheds some light on what his motivation might be. There are plenty of others to be found:

http://www.charlesmontgomery.ca/mrcool.html

An excerpt:
"Few in the audience have any idea that Prof. Ball hasn't published on climate science in any peer-reviewed scientific journal in more than 14 years. They do not know that he has been paid to speak to federal MPs by a public-relations company that works for energy firms. Nor are they aware that his travel expenses are covered by a group supported by donors from the Alberta oil patch."

Plenty more in the article, if anyone cares.
 

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How many other scientists would you like me to put up that say same--granted won't find as many as you will politicians

no comments on cbs nbc cnn msbc Al gore ect?

A sample of mainstream media reaction ? ABC News "(there is) no longer any question that the earth is warming. The warming is due to greenhouse gasses and those gasses are produced by us." CBS ? "the planet is warming up, and it's our fault." The New York Times says the report "lays the whole problem at humanity's doorstep."

Maybe new slogan-- --
"They report and you take it as gospel" :)

by the way I am STILL waiting for anyone's reply on facts based on this sky is falling scenerio.

ya I know the dreaded silence --AGAIN

The fact of the matter is each side can put up their scientist theories--but they are just that---the only proven fact is we have had periods of global warming for 1000's of years andit wasn't man made then. Anyone dispute that?
 
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Ok, Wayne, what exactly are you asking for? Specific scientific proof that global warming is at least in part man-made? Or are you asking for proof that it is ALL man-made? What exactly are we being silent about?

You seem pretty fixated here, just trying to help the brother out.
 

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I added above before you posted Chad--and I think it will answer your question--and as I said before I am for basically anything curbing polution or environtment friendly--I just not biting on nuts like Al gore and the media that blow things completely out of proportion in support of an agenda.

Global cooling one decade--global warming the next--

If one likes to live in fear you only need look for a reason.

personally I have been enjoying warming trend as we have had best weather last few years than all of 20+ I have lived in Ky--hope it continues--sorry I'm not ready to jump out of window in dispair :)
 

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I would agree that even the most mainstream "scientists" probably operate from some personal agenda, be it financial, fame, personal drive, whatever - and that could even be looked at as being understandable. The thing is, I think with this particular administration, the attack on conservation and protection of energy-related businesses has reached a zenith, if you will, and you need look no further than the secret energy policy meetings held in the White House where no democrats were invited, but the heads of the oil and energy companies were. Much of the current policies were spawned from those meetings, and to dismiss that, along with any scientific reference that man has played a role in where our climate is to date seems naive (or protectionist).

You know as well as I, that I could post countless reports showing global warming is at least in part man-made. Especially the acceleration of it. From respected scientists. You could post countless ones that say it's hogwash. And both have agendas.

The one clear thing I think we can draw from where we are now, is where our current administration stands on it. And I think an objective person knows why. And that position in no way could help the future if man is a part of the problem.

Staying on one side or the other, and dismissing the issue is short-sighted, self-serving, and dangerous to future generations. Maybe not important to some, but I care a lot about what kind of world my children and grandchildren will live in. If I can help, I want to.
 

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smurphy,

Can you or anybody else on this board tell me what caused the glaciers that covered a great deal of North America multiple times over the last 2 million years to retreat to the point that they have now?

http://www.isgs.uiuc.edu/isgshome/glacial.htm

History is much longer then what we have observed in our lifetime.

I believe The Sponge is up there right now with hair dryer.
 

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Chad you said it right. This is not about any of us over 25. But our younger kids and in my case grand-kids. If it is being helped along by man kind. It's time to help stop the process in any small way we can. I say small way because mother nature will do as it wishes. There are those that say this is a normal cycle for the earth. Well they were not here either the last cycle anymore then those who think like Gore. But we do know one thing the last cycle didn't have 7 billion people on earth dumping pollution in to the air either. I do think a little common sense would tell us we are not going right direction.
 

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Hmmm I see now why many scientist dispute it--
--lets see Gore makes movie and when scientist dispute his retort is not facts but-- Bush is paying them off :)---and of course we have CNN (the most trusted news network)reporting ;)

Tuesday, February 06, 2007
Gore says Bush administration paying scientists to dispute global warming
MADRID , SPAIN (CNN) -- Former Vice President Al Gore said in an interview on Tuesday the Bush administration is now paying scientists to dispute global warming since the administration can no longer argue against it.

During an interview with CNN affiliate Cuatro in Madrid, Gore said, "they've lost the argument and they don't want to stop dumping all this pollution into the Earth's atmosphere. The only thing they have left is cash and now they're offering cash for so-called skeptics who will try to confuse people about what the science really say. But it's unethical because now the time has come when we have to act."

Gore was the Democratic nominee against Bush in the 2004 presidential election. His film, An Inconvenient Truth, is up for the best documentary Oscar.
-- CNN's Al Goodman

so we have Gores opinion--but lets take a look at a FACT of who is applying pressure

Global warming debate spurs Ore. title tiff

06:09 PM PST on Tuesday, February 6, 2007

By VINCE PATTON, kgw.com

In the face of evidence agreed upon by hundreds of climate scientists, George Taylor holds firm. He does not believe human activities are the main cause of global climate change.

Taylor also holds a unique title: State Climatologist.

Hundreds of scientists last Friday issued the strongest warning yet on global warming saying humans are "very likely" the cause.


?Most of the climate changes we have seen up until now have been a result of natural variations,? Taylor asserts.

Taylor has held the title of "state climatologist" since 1991 when the legislature created a state climate office at OSU The university created the job title, not the state.

His opinions conflict not only with many other scientists, but with the state of Oregon's policies.

So the governor wants to take that title from Taylor and make it a position that he would appoint.

In an exclusive interview with KGW-TV, Governor Ted Kulongoski confirmed he wants to take that title from Taylor. The governor said Taylor's contradictions interfere with the state's stated goals to reduce greenhouse gases, the accepted cause of global warming in the eyes of a vast majority of scientists.


?He is Oregon State University's climatologist. He is not the state of Oregon's climatologist,? Kulongoski said.


Taylor declined to comment on the proposal other than to say he was a "bit shocked" by the news. He recently engaged in a debate at O.M.S.I. and repeated his doubts about accepted science.

In an interview he told KGW, "There are a lot of people saying the bulk of the warming of the last 50 years is due to human activities and I don't believe that's true." He believes natural cycles explain most of the changes the earth has seen.

A bill will be introduced in Salem soon on the matter.
Sen. Brad Avakian, (D) Washington County, is sponsoring the bill. He said global warming is so important to state policy it's important to have a climatologist as a consultant to the governor. He denied this is targeted personally at Taylor. "Absolutely not," Avakian said, "I've never met Mr. Taylor and if he's got opinions I hope he comes to the hearing and testifies."

Kulongoski said the state needs a consistent message on reducing greenhouse gases to combat climate change.

The Governor says, "I just think there has to be somebody that says, 'this is the state position on this.'"
 
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I think all our paychecks should have a brand new 8% deduction to protect us from Global Warming. I just want to feel safe. I'm concerned about my grandchildren's future.
 

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Bribery Accusations

Last week, London newspapers published a story accusing the American Enterprise Institute, or AEI, of taking contributions from Exxon Mobil and, "attempting to bribe climate scholars" with $10,000 to dispute the findings of the U.N.'s climate change panel. The panel recently reported that it is now 90 percent certain humans are creating global warming.

But The Wall Street Journal found that AEI had only invited leading climate scientists of varying views to debate policy changes to address whatever warming there is. Then yesterday, Senators Bernie Sanders, Patrick Leahy, Dianne Feinstein and John Kerry, assuming the London reports were accurate, complained to AEI, saying, "does your donors' self-interest trump an honest discussion over the well-being of the planet?"

But AEI says no one ever contacted them about the truth of the reports. And Exxon, which contributes a relatively small amount to AEI, hadn't even HEARD of the project until they read about it in the London newspapers. They're demanding a retraction.
 

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A retraction is easy. Did Exxon ask for there money back would be better question.
 

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So now George Taylor is your expert to follow, Wayne? Several articles I found Googling about his political motivation for his "opinions." Here is one, from a local Oregonian political web site that seems to have a handle on who the guy is, and what he brings to the table. Just thought you'd appreciate some balance...

Friday, August 26, 2005
What's Wrong With This Picture?

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The eco friendly blue state of Oregon has a state climatologist, George Taylor . Mr Taylor is an ex-hippie vegetarian who rides a bicycle to work. No surprises so far. Now for the surprise; "Taylor is one of the leading circuit riders for the church of Global Warming Ain't Happening."

His views have been read on the floor of the U.S. Senate and, most recently, influenced global-warming bills in Salem. In the past, he also has tried to undermine global-warming legislation in Canada.

"Look, it's not that complicated," says Taylor, who, as head of the Oregon Climate Service at OSU, is known as the state climatologist. "It's not clear that we are seeing unprecedented warming, and it's definitely untrue that any warming trend can be assigned to human activities. Natural variations in climate are much more significant than any human activities."

A bad scientist with credibility
Taylor is considered a very dangerous man because he has more credibility as the climatologist from Oregon than scientists working for Exxon-Mobile. When he talks bad science people listen.

Taylor's position as the leading climate expert in Oregon, a state with a national environmental reputation, has given ammo to those who are hostile to the idea that the earth is warming up. On Jan. 4 of this year, Oklahoma Republican Sen. James Inhofe, chairman of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, said in a Senate floor speech, "As Oregon State University climatologist George Taylor has shown, Arctic temperatures are actually slightly cooler today than they were in the 1930s. As Dr. Taylor has explained, it's all relative."

Inhofe was wrong on two counts. First, Taylor is not a doctor; he has no Ph.D. (he received his master's in meteorology at the University of Utah in 1975). And second, Taylor is flat-out mistaken. Temperatures in the Arctic have, in fact, reached unprecedented levels, according to an exhaustive study by two international Arctic science organizations published last November that confirmed previous, similar results.


Bad Science
It would appear that Taylor is guilty of cherry picking data.

The Arctic report said the North Pole is losing its permafrost, and frozen bogs are melting in Alaska and Siberia, spewing vast amounts of methane, another greenhouse gas. Sea ice and glaciers are retreating, temperatures are rising, the growing season is extending and robins are now living above the Arctic Circle for the first time in history.

Taylor's review said the authors of the Arctic study looked at only the last 35 years, ignoring data from the 1930s that show conditions were comparable to those of today. "Why not start the trend there?" he wrote. "Because there is no net warming over the last 65 years?"

It's not clear what report Taylor was reading. In fact, the Arctic study takes into account an entire thousand years and places the Arctic in the context of the entire globe.

Taylor acknowledges he reviewed only 55 pages of a 140-page summary of the full 1,200-page report, yet still found fault with its sourcing. "Oddly, the [report] does a very poor job of documenting its sources of information," Taylor writes. "For such an ambitious document its science consists primarily of blanket statements without any sort of reference or citation."

If Taylor had waited to review the full report (preliminary versions of chapters are posted on the Web; the final version is due in September), he would have noticed the report's detailed documentation and lengthy list of references.


A dangerous man indeed.
 
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