By not going too the center ,Obama is not only killing himself,but the Dems also.

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The Off-Center President
Obama says he'd settle for a single term?and seems to mean it.




There is, I think, an amazing political fact right now that is hiding in plain sight and is rich with implications. It was there in President Obama's Jan. 25, pre-State of the Union interview with ABC's Diane Sawyer, who was pressing him about his political predicaments. "I'd rather be a really good one-term president than a mediocre two-term president," he said. "And I?and I believe that."

Now this is the sort of thing presidents say, and often believe they believe, but at the end of the day they all want two terms. Except that Mr. Obama shows every sign of meaning it, and if he does, it explains a lot about his recent decisions and actions.

A week after the Sawyer interview, the president had a stunning and revealing exchange with Sen. Blanche Lincoln, the Arkansas Democrat likely to lose her 2010 re-election campaign. He was meeting with Senate Democrats to urge them to continue with his legislative agenda. Mrs. Lincoln took the opportunity to beseech him to change it. She urged him to distance his administration from "people who want extremes," and to find "common ground" with Republicans in producing legislation that would give those in business the "certainty" they need to create jobs.

While answering, Mr. Obama raised his voice slightly and quickened his cadence. "If the price of certainty is essentially for us to adopt the exact same proposals that were in place leading up to the biggest economic crisis since the Great Depression . . . the result is going to be the same. I don't know why we would expect a different outcome pursuing the exact same policy that got us in this fix in the first place." He continued: "If our response ends up being, you know . . . we don't want to stir things up here," then "I don't know why people would say, 'Boy, we really want to make sure those Democrats are in Washington fighting for us.'"



When I saw the videotape later, I wondered how the senator, now down by as much as 23 points in her bid for re-election, felt. Actually I wanted to ask, "Apart from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?"

The Washington Post's Charles Lane, one of the few journalists to note the exchange, said he found it revealing in two ways: First, the president equates becoming more centrist with becoming more like George W. Bush, and second, he apparently sees movement to the center as a political loser.

These are two surprising things to think, and they have contributed to our astonishing political moment, in which a popular young president who won by 9.5 million votes 15 months ago has seen support for his programs slip to the point that a Gallup poll this week found him running even with a nameless Republican in 2012.

His reaction to all this is striking. He doesn't seem a man at sea who's flailing and trying to grab any deck chair that floats by. He seems a man who is certain he is right, in the long term if not in the day-to-day. And if the cost of being right is a single term, then so be it. Which, again, is not how presidents usually think. And not how legislators, who live to be re-elected, want the president of their party to think.

This touches on the still-essential question that historians will write books about: How did the president lose the room? How did he lose popularity?
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The leftward edge of the left says he did it by being too accommodating, by trying for a bipartisanship that doesn't exist. The rightward edge of the right says he did it by revealing his essentially socialistic agenda. The center has said, in polls and at the polls, that it didn't like his administration's first-year obsession with a health-care bill that was huge, costly and impenetrably complicated, and would be run by those people who gave you the DMV and the post office.

The political class this week blamed it on the Chicago Mafia, the longtime Obama friends and associates who surround him in the Oval Office. But even that doesn't explain it. What did they do wrong? And why do people think Mr. Obama's advisers are different from Mr. Obama?

Washington's pundits have begun announcing that the White House is better at campaigning than at governing, but that was obvious last summer. The president and his advisers understand one thing really well, and that is Democratic primaries and Democratic politics. This is the area in which they made their careers. It's how they defeated Hillary Clinton?by knowing how Democrats think. In the 2008 general election, appealing for the first time to all of America and not only to Democrats, they had one great gift on their side, the man who both made Mr. Obama and did in John McCain, and that was George W. Bush.

But now it is 2010, and Mr. Bush is gone. Mr. Obama is left with America, and he does not, really, understand it. That is why he thinks moving to the center would be political death, when moving to the center and triangulating, as Bill Clinton did, might give him a new lease on life.

But there's something else that has led Mr. Obama to his falling poll numbers. When FDR followed the disaster that was Herbert Hoover, he took a new and different path. The government would now hold a new place in the daily American reality. When Ronald Reagan followed the disaster that was Jimmy Carter, he took a new and different path. The federal government would be pushed back from its intrusions on Americans. But when Barack Obama took over after the disaster that was George W. Bush, he did not, in terms of the most pressing domestic issue after unemployment, take a new and different path. He spent, just like Mr. Bush, only even more. It was as if he were saying, "You think Bush broke the bank? I'll show you what a broken bank looks like." This isn't a departure, it's a doubling down.

One can argue that in some areas Mr. Obama had little choice?an economy in collapse, a desperate attempt to prop it up. But he initiated plenty of spending that involved plenty of choice, and that garnered little centrist support.

Do the Democrats have hope? Oh, yes. Many Republicans spent the past year watching the president self-destruct, and not getting in the way while he did. A lot of Democrats will spend the next year hoping the Republicans self-destruct by overplaying their hand, by coming up with their own legislation and policy ideas that leave the center, and the middle class, anxious.

Republicans have a recent history of overplaying their hand when up against Democrats with difficulties. It can be hard in policy decisions to determine the difference between what is brave and what is foolhardy, what is desirable and what is possible, especially in a time such as this, when few feel secure. If the Republicans begin to jabber about the abstract and theoretical, they will find the public has little appetite for it. If they amuse themselves with speculation about the potential popularity of "playing the war card," they will find out that war, actually, is not as popular as they think, and is not, actually, a card.

Democrats in Congress, on the other hand, may choose this spring to save themselves by revolting?not only against the Republicans, but against the possible one-termer who jeopardizes their positions.
 

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Its 'to' the center.

By the way, by going to the center is what has fucked him up. The neo-cons and tea party morons aren't gonna vote for him anyway. He is pissing off the people who voted for him by going to the center.
 

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Its 'to' the center.

By the way, by going to the center is what has fucked him up. The neo-cons and tea party morons aren't gonna vote for him anyway. He is pissing off the people who voted for him by going to the center.

Did you even read the article??How can you say that??This president is so far left he has climbed the Green Monster!

We will see.I really don't need to explain further.
He's doing a pretty good job on his own.
 

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Its 'to' the center.

By the way, by going to the center is what has fucked him up. The neo-cons and tea party morons aren't gonna vote for him anyway. He is pissing off the people who voted for him by going to the center.

Exactly. His mandate for change did not mean "Let's see what the Republicans think of this."

Americans wanted change away from the policies that ruined us.
 

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Exactly. His mandate for change did not mean "Let's see what the Republicans think of this."

Americans wanted change away from the policies that ruined us.

What really has he changed?Spending more.If he try's to help everything and all parties we IMO would be better off then 2 years ago.

All he has done is spend more and gone so far left in other areas (health care and stem cell to name a few) that he basically sacrificed 2 terms for 1 out of pure stubbornness.
 

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Did you even read the article??How can you say that??This president is so far left he has climbed the Green Monster!

We will see.I really don't need to explain further.
He's doing a pretty good job on his own.

No he isn't. He is a neo-con. He has continued the wars and has done what his corporate masters have told him to do. Exactly how is that left? You just believe everything you read, Rusty. We don't have a real two party system. They are both run by the same interests. Think about it.
 

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What really has he changed?Spending more.If he try's to help everything and all parties we IMO would be better off then 2 years ago.

All he has done is spend more and gone so far left in other areas (health care and stem cell to name a few) that he basically sacrificed 2 terms for 1 out of pure stubbornness.

Rusty how much has his health care program cost us?

Also he has not helped the middle class he has just continued the Neocon policy of helping the poor, while making the rich richer and wiping out the middle class. While to continue the nation building that is breaking the back of this great country.
 

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Rusty how much has his health care program cost us?

Also he has not helped the middle class he has just continued the Neocon policy of helping the poor, while making the rich richer and wiping out the middle class. While to continue the nation building that is breaking the back of this great country.

First off how is helping the poor a neo-con policy??
Also thanks for proving my point he needs to move to the center.
 

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Rusty how much has his health care program cost us?

Also he has not helped the middle class he has just continued the Neocon policy of helping the poor, while making the rich richer and wiping out the middle class. While to continue the nation building that is breaking the back of this great country.

Stevie Did you ever think it might not be the gov that make the rich richer.

How about the individual? You think it might just be that the productive that excell will continue to do so and the parasites will also continue their way of life?

Why do some always want to point to gov as being responsible for success and failures of individuals. Do you think it will be the gov that ultimately determines which class a person will be in?

--and while on that subject why is it most productive people want smaller gov that stays out of their lives--but the non productive not only want larger gov to take care of them-but depend on it.

--and who is breaking back of this great country--the rich-the productive??

--or the parasitic element that contribute zero to society/the illegals/the criminal element/
who are waiting for their american dream--(redistribution of wealth)--as promised by their Mesiah.
 

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In 1970 the spread between the average worker and the top execs was something like 25% now it is something like 700%. That my friend is a redistribution of wealth that has nothing to do with someone taking a risk. What risk did these CEO's of these Wall Street Companies take? I am sure you can find the figures but we have all ready suffered from a redistribution of wealth and it is crushing the middle class. It is time to take back the monies that should have gone to the workers not as bonuses to already overpaid CEO's. You want to turn the economy around put the money he earned in the middle class guys pocket and he will spend it.
 

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The Independent voter is wising up to the Obama agenda, they are the ones who are going to throw the Democrats to the curb, Hope and Change my ass.

JMHO.

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In 1970 the spread between the average worker and the top execs was something like 25% now it is something like 700%. That my friend is a redistribution of wealth that has nothing to do with someone taking a risk. What risk did these CEO's of these Wall Street Companies take? I am sure you can find the figures but we have all ready suffered from a redistribution of wealth and it is crushing the middle class. It is time to take back the monies that should have gone to the workers not as bonuses to already overpaid CEO's. You want to turn the economy around put the money he earned in the middle class guys pocket and he will spend it.

Thats where trickle down economics failed. When the rich get money they keep it. When the middle class get money they spend it. It was the start of the elimination of the middle class.
 

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In 1970 the spread between the average worker and the top execs was something like 25% now it is something like 700%. That my friend is a redistribution of wealth that has nothing to do with someone taking a risk. What risk did these CEO's of these Wall Street Companies take? I am sure you can find the figures but we have all ready suffered from a redistribution of wealth and it is crushing the middle class. It is time to take back the monies that should have gone to the workers not as bonuses to already overpaid CEO's. You want to turn the economy around put the money he earned in the middle class guys pocket and he will spend it.

StevieD (and others):

Why is it always "the overpaid CEO's?"...Why don't we ever talk about the 20 year old kid in the NBA who is making way more than a CEO ever will?

Let me guess - because we don't pay for that? Wrong - we all do, whether we go to games or not. Whether we go the blockbuster movies with the top actors or not. Companies spend huge sums advertising in these sports/entertainment - which increases prices of goods for all of us. Ticket prices to almost all sporting events do not allow the average Joe to go to more than 1 game per year.

We shouldn't be singling out "CEO's". We should be pointing the finger at any reprehensible person in America that dares to make more than $250K a year as just a plain, evil person. That includes Obama, as he made a shitload on his books, along with his presidential salary and the value of all the perks he has - even free rent!

Time to target the big income earners in all professions. Here's a start:

No professional athlete or entertainer is allowed to make over $500K per year. Anthing above that will be taxed at 100%.

Comparing a CEO to a lower level worker is the same as comparing a $25M a year baseball player to a clubhouse boy making $10.00 an hour. In BOTH situations, it is not fair.
 

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StevieD (and others):

Why is it always "the overpaid CEO's?"...Why don't we ever talk about the 20 year old kid in the NBA who is making way more than a CEO ever will?

Let me guess - because we don't pay for that? Wrong - we all do, whether we go to games or not. Whether we go the blockbuster movies with the top actors or not. Companies spend huge sums advertising in these sports/entertainment - which increases prices of goods for all of us. Ticket prices to almost all sporting events do not allow the average Joe to go to more than 1 game per year.

We shouldn't be singling out "CEO's". We should be pointing the finger at any reprehensible person in America that dares to make more than $250K a year as just a plain, evil person. That includes Obama, as he made a shitload on his books, along with his presidential salary and the value of all the perks he has - even free rent!

Time to target the big income earners in all professions. Here's a start:

No professional athlete or entertainer is allowed to make over $500K per year. Anthing above that will be taxed at 100%.

Comparing a CEO to a lower level worker is the same as comparing a $25M a year baseball player to a clubhouse boy making $10.00 an hour. In BOTH situations, it is not fair.

:mj07: :shrug: Most athletes are off the charts how can you even make a comparison to the real world.Come on Mags.....:facepalm:
 

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:mj07: :shrug: Most athletes are off the charts how can you even make a comparison to the real world.Come on Mags.....:facepalm:

All I'm saying is, if the government has the authority to set salaries and limit income companies can make in the spirit of making it better for everyone (as they have done with the banks and insurance companies), why wouldn't they do it so we all can enjoy the various entertainment options available?

Clearly the government has the authority to dictate wage caps in the private sector - I'm just sayin' why stop where they did, and mandate those wage and income caps for everyone!
 

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All I'm saying is, if the government has the authority to set salaries and limit income companies can make in the spirit of making it better for everyone (as they have done with the banks and insurance companies), why wouldn't they do it so we all can enjoy the various entertainment options available?

Clearly the government has the authority to dictate wage caps in the private sector - I'm just sayin' why stop where they did, and mandate those wage and income caps for everyone!

Why even bother? I had something written up but you know what? I really don't care anymore. :facepalm:
 

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StevieD (and others):

Why is it always "the overpaid CEO's?"...Why don't we ever talk about the 20 year old kid in the NBA who is making way more than a CEO ever will?

Let me guess - because we don't pay for that? Wrong - we all do, whether we go to games or not. Whether we go the blockbuster movies with the top actors or not. Companies spend huge sums advertising in these sports/entertainment - which increases prices of goods for all of us. Ticket prices to almost all sporting events do not allow the average Joe to go to more than 1 game per year.

We shouldn't be singling out "CEO's". We should be pointing the finger at any reprehensible person in America that dares to make more than $250K a year as just a plain, evil person. That includes Obama, as he made a shitload on his books, along with his presidential salary and the value of all the perks he has - even free rent!

Time to target the big income earners in all professions. Here's a start:

No professional athlete or entertainer is allowed to make over $500K per year. Anthing above that will be taxed at 100%.

Comparing a CEO to a lower level worker is the same as comparing a $25M a year baseball player to a clubhouse boy making $10.00 an hour. In BOTH situations, it is not fair.

Mags, don't get me started on the athletes. Wayyyyyyyyyyy overpaid. Most middle class guys can't afford to take his kids to too many games a year. If any. It is a shame what they did to sports. I agree some entertainers make too much also. But there numbers are so small compared to the CEO's and other execs raking in big bucks. I mean how many NFL Quarterbacks are there?
 

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I guess you voted for him, what's that Hope and Change doing for you?


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JMHO

Just because you vote for someone, dosn't mean you ever believed their rhetoric. Why would anyone believe any politician? Obama has been too much of a corporate kiss-ass. That's my only strong disappointment with *him* so far. Other than that, his term is about what I expected. He's been very neutral/centrist yet still hated by the white right as if he was some kind of commi-facist superfly dating their daughter.
 
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