Bye Bye Rumsfeld?

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By Jeremy Pelofsky

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld approved a plan that brought unconventional interrogation methods to Iraq (news - web sites) to gain intelligence about the growing insurgency, ultimately leading to the abuse of Iraqi prisoners, the New Yorker magazine reported on Saturday.



Rumsfeld, who has been under fire for the prisoner abuse scandal, gave the green light to methods previously used in Afghanistan (news - web sites) for gathering intelligence on members of al Qaeda, which the United States blames for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, the magazine reported on its Web site.


Pentagon (news - web sites) spokesman Jim Turner said he had not seen the story and could not comment. The article hits newsstands on Monday.


U.S. interrogation techniques have come under scrutiny amid revelations that prisoners at the Abu Ghraib prison outside Baghdad were kept naked, stacked on top of one another, forced to engage in sex acts and photographed in humiliating poses.


Rumsfeld, who has rejected calls by some Democrats and a number of major newspapers to resign, returned on Friday from a surprise trip to Iraq and Abu Ghraib prison, calling the scandal a "body blow." Seven soldiers have been charged.


The abuse prompted worldwide outrage and has shaken U.S. global prestige as President Bush (news - web sites) seeks re-election in November. Bush has backed Rumsfeld and said the abuse was abhorrent but the wrongful actions of only a few soldiers.


The U.S. military has now prohibited several interrogation methods from being used in Iraq, including sleep and sensory deprivation and body "stress positions," defense officials said on Friday.


SPECIAL ACCESS PROGRAM


The New Yorker said the interrogation plan was a highly classified "special access program," or SAP, that gave advance approval to kill, capture or interrogate so-called high-value targets in the battle against terror.


Such secret methods were used extensively in Afghanistan but more sparingly in Iraq -- only in the search for former President Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) and weapons of mass destruction. As the Iraqi insurgency grew and more U.S. soldiers died, Rumsfeld and Defense Undersecretary for Intelligence Stephen Cambone expanded the scope to bring the interrogation tactics to Abu Ghraib, the article said.


The magazine, which based its article on interviews with several past and present American intelligence officials, reported the plan was approved and carried out last year after deadly bombings in August at the U.N. headquarters and Jordanian Embassy in Baghdad.


A former intelligence official quoted in the article said Rumsfeld and Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, approved the program but may not have known about the abuse.


'DO WHAT YOU WANT'


The rules governing the secret operation were "grab whom you must. Do what you want," the unidentified former intelligence official told the New Yorker.


Rumsfeld left the details of the interrogations to Cambone, the article quoted a Pentagon consultant as saying.


"This is Cambone's deal, but Rumsfeld and Myers approved the program," said the Pentagon consultant in the article.


U.S. officials have admitted the abuse may have violated the Geneva Convention, which governs treatment of prisoners of war.





The New Yorker said the CIA (news - web sites), which approved using high-pressure interrogation tactics against senior al Qaeda leaders after the 2001 attacks, balked at extending them to Iraq and refused to participate

After initiating the secret techniques, the U.S. military began learning useful intelligence about the insurgency, the former intelligence official was quoted as saying.
 

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Thats the liberal New Yorker headlines along with their sister
publiction http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
---amazing how they parralell

The other side from AP

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...16/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_prison_abuse_rumsfeld

Where the truth lies is yet to be determined

T.S. When you click on Aljazeera website, note they have area on left for opinions and support. I think your posts and efforts would be much more appreciated there. You will find many that think as you and would love to have another with Micheal Moore mentality to boost their cause.:(
 

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DTB im not sure your being comletey fair. Think back to the idiot Mc Namara. So here Bush is stuck with another. Rummy just has not done a good job. Or he listen to some very bad suggestions. Either way he's at the top. Running a war with the plan of the week or month is just not to smart. Then not haveing the boots on the ground they needed to begin with was a real mistake. They never got out to control those borders. Still havent. And those folks coming in from around the world are killing more of our men then the Iraq army ever did.
 

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I think they had enough boots at the start considering they took the country in what-2 weeks and I doubt # of boots matter in warfare they are experiencing in aftermath. When you have no defined good guy/bad guy it hard to fight and when the bad guys use civilians and mosque for shields its gets even tougher in trying to keep civilian casuaties at a minimum--and when you have one sides trying to use rules and one having no rules it gets damn near impossible.
I think biggest mistake was thinking the good Iraq's would throw these culprits out which hasn't happened. I wonder if they still have in the back of their mind Bush Sr and Swartzkoff deserting them. The biggest mistake made was Bush Sr not finishing job the 1st time.

---I do ike the idea of the battle being fought there and the more terrorist they bring to the arena the more we don't have to hunt them. Time will tell,my friend.
 

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O'reilly had interview with man that wrote article from New Yorker last night. I hope you got to see it T.S. :)

Should be in print tomorrow on website----it might open your eyes.
 
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