CA Gov/LA Gov

[DOGS THAT BARK]

We saw what happened to Louisiana gov who tried to shuck the blame on Katrina to everyone else--she's history--to bad there are no elections for media also.

Thought this video of Arnold setting media straight on blame game is classic--would say his chances of getting re elected are locked in--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y838vto6los

 

[Chadman]

Two observations...

How strange that The Terminator would shrug off any inference of problems dealing with local government (or governor) shortcomings when dealing with the situation when on camera. I did notice he continues his proclivity on (literally) handling women when he grabbed the reporters hands...which for most would be a no-no, but I guess it's considered a good way to "handle" a female reporter for conservatives. Imagine if Bill had done the same?

and, I'm not surprised that Arnold is getting so much federal and presidential support for this disaster. I mean, after all, it is mainly white folk with nice homes, businesses and money that are suffering in this case. Certainly not insinuating the reaction shouldn't be this strong...just an interesting way to look at the response.

 

[ctownguy]

Not one of your better efforts comrade, as a matter of fact just typical knee jerk reaction from a left wing nut:mj07:

 

[djv]

It's some what true. WE are dealing with a lot of wealth. And not over 2500 homes under water. BUT, Still I think Arny is doing a great job for the disaster delt him. Some of his pre planing with Guard and prisoners has help a great deal.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Don't think there was any more support at one than the other Chad.

In fact NO had advan of being classified disaster area by feds before Katrina hit. The diff was same as when we had hurricane Opal hit at Destin when I had place there--the people were as in CA smart enough to get out of dodge when they say go.

Your prob in NO was primarily on city level then state.

Even snopes agrees
a pic is worth a thousand words--but will give Nagin a little slack--tough to manage things when you desert the city when the shit hits the fan.

http://www.snopes.com/katrina/photos/buses.asp

 

[ImFeklhr]

Your prob in NO was primarily on city level then state.

Even snopes agrees
a pic is worth a thousand words--but will give Nagin a little slack--tough to manage things when you desert the city when the shit hits the fan.

http://www.snopes.com/katrina/photos/buses.asp

Everyone dropped the ball in N.O, but I'm not sure it's entirely accurate to say "even Snopes agrees"... did you even read what Snopes said about it? They pretty much captured the essence of the uncertainty.

I still don't understand why people can't just accept that shit happens. :shrug:

 

[bryanz]

Two observations...

How strange that The Terminator would shrug off any inference of problems dealing with local government (or governor) shortcomings when dealing with the situation when on camera. I did notice he continues his proclivity on (literally) handling women when he grabbed the reporters hands...which for most would be a no-no, but I guess it's considered a good way to "handle" a female reporter for conservatives. Imagine if Bill had done the same?

and, I'm not surprised that Arnold is getting so much federal and presidential support for this disaster. I mean, after all, it is mainly white folk with nice homes, businesses and money that are suffering in this case. Certainly not insinuating the reaction shouldn't be this strong...just an interesting way to look at the response.

On the first part you couldn't be more wrong, Arnold touching that reporter had nothing to do with anything. She asked a question that was leading and there was no basis for it, he did not roll over and basically laughed at her. Why don't you anti Americans on the left and right let the Bill Clinton & Monica stuff rest..... It has nothing to do with the what matters to our country. You don't need to defend Bill and the right wackos should shut the **** up and go to work. So the guy got a BJ.... I know you ****ing right wing anti Americans say He lied, so what. At least he didn't lie about war. You are right about the response, they are trying to say that they learned from katrina but everyone knows that people with money get better treatment in America, ask OJ..... There is discrimination but if you have money and your black you have a chance. The people of the gulf coast hand two strikes against them, they were poor and black. Lets call a spade a spade . The American power structure on the left or the right don't care about the poor. They give lip services and pander to the different groups that are poor but lets be real ! The poor can't do anything for them so the poor people get what we all see that they get. Thats life, money matters !!

 

[maverick2112]

Compairing apples to oranges with the 2 different responses to Katrina and these fires.................the federal response to SanDiego was immediate while the federal response to Katrina was.........oops they are still waiting for a response...........

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

"The people of the gulf coast hand two strikes against them, they were poor and black. Lets call a spade a spade . The American power structure on the left or the right don't care about the poor."

They had days of advance notice as with all hurricanes if you ever watch the news-1st time ever that I can remember on area being claimed disaster area by feds before storm even hit.

--and your answer bryanz is know one cared about them because they were poor--how about this one instead--with 3 days minimum of advance notice running daily on media they still opted to stay instead of getting hell out of dodge.

You can't force them to leave if they won't--and in a way I can't blame them --as they knew if they left and their neighbors didn't they would pillage their property--but wouldn't fault others for that situation--would fall back on the hood being the culprit.

proof in point--I'll revert back to when Opal hit Destin--Went there day after to check property damage--guess what--the idea of looting and mass deaths weren't even a remote consideration--and it wasn't about rich or poor--unless you can convince me that being poor--gives one an excuse for having no respect of others properties--open season to steal-pillage and riot when opportunity exist.

 

[Chadman]

On the first part you couldn't be more wrong, Arnold touching that reporter had nothing to do with anything. She asked a question that was leading and there was no basis for it, he did not roll over and basically laughed at her. Why don't you anti Americans on the left and right let the Bill Clinton & Monica stuff rest..... It has nothing to do with the what matters to our country. You don't need to defend Bill and the right wackos should shut the **** up and go to work. So the guy got a BJ.... I know you ****ing right wing anti Americans say He lied, so what. At least he didn't lie about war. You are right about the response, they are trying to say that they learned from katrina but everyone knows that people with money get better treatment in America, ask OJ..... There is discrimination but if you have money and your black you have a chance. The people of the gulf coast hand two strikes against them, they were poor and black. Lets call a spade a spade . The American power structure on the left or the right don't care about the poor. They give lip services and pander to the different groups that are poor but lets be real ! The poor can't do anything for them so the poor people get what we all see that they get. Thats life, money matters !!

More wrong? Still trying to see exactly what was wrong in the first part of my post. Didn't say I expected anything different from Arnold in his response, nor should I. What I'm saying is that of course he is going to dismiss any problems when on camera. My post on the touching was directed towards Dogs and his eternal hard on for anything negative-Clinton, especially when it comes to his interaction with women...that's all. Arnold is of course cut from the same mold, so it was a fun-jab towards Wayne. He will understand that, sorry you as a down the middle true American ( :mj07: ) couldn't note the subtlety and direction of the jab. Not sure what the anti-American attack comes from, other than possibly ignorance and an inability to communicate with any insightful commentary. That's usually when the name calling occurs, when you can't make sense of something and have to revert to instigation or frustration. Of course, you are well known for your sensible and measured posts here, Bryanz, so that can't be it, can it?

Not sure how I was wrong with my comment. Arnold clearly was dismissing any problems of local response to the situation. If you think that is incorrect, I don't know what to tell you. I don't blame him, and I do think the content of his response was pretty strong. Maybe you should save your angst for an issue that is a bigger deal, I dunno...:shrug:

 

[Chadman]

They had days of advance notice as with all hurricanes if you ever watch the news-1st time ever that I can remember on area being claimed disaster area by feds before storm even hit.

--and your answer bryanz is know one cared about them because they were poor--how about this one instead--with 3 days minimum of advance notice running daily on media they still opted to stay instead of getting hell out of dodge.

You can't force them to leave if they won't--and in a way I can't blame them --as they knew if they left and their neighbors didn't they would pillage their property--but wouldn't fault others for that situation--would fall back on the hood being the culprit.

proof in point--I'll revert back to when Opal hit Destin--Went there day after to check property damage--guess what--the idea of looting and mass deaths weren't even a remote consideration--and it wasn't about rich or poor--unless you can convince me that being poor--gives one an excuse for having no respect of others properties--open season to steal-pillage and riot when opportunity exist.

Yeah, they had days of advance notice. The government and Bush specifically had a lot more advance notice than that when it comes to many things dealing with this. I'm not saying that there isn't plenty of blame to go around, but I certainly don't think the response was/is the same. And the circumstances are completely different.

On one hand, you have a majority of people in one area that do not have the financial means nor transportation to make an aggressive move out of an area of concern. Not to mention the unpredictable nature of where a hurricane will hit - especially three days out. So, for a lot of people, they didn't have a real option to leave at all, unless they just wanted to pack a bag and just start running north.

On the other hand, you have a majority of people who do have both the financial means and transportation to move out of harms way, with a much easier area and pathway to do that. To compare the two disasters as far as simple escapability is pretty silly, IMO. Let's see, fires scattered across a lot of territory, with plenty of reporting, help and advice to plan your way out compared to total devastation and several feet of water - which one would be easier to respond to when trying to flee?

There are similarities in that both groups probably didn't want to evacuate until they HAD to, until it became clear either the fire or the hurricane was going to come right up their block. And in that comparison, the differences are pretty plain to see.

Honestly, Wayne, do you really think that the Bush Administration cares the same - REALLY cares the same - about the two groups of people? And what in their actions in the time they've spent leading this country would lead you to say that?

I will say that maybe Cheney doesn't care as much as Bush about California, since he slept through the planned response meeting. At least Bush knows how important California is to the hopes of the Republican party in the coming year, and he needs to respond personally to the residents of So-Cal, unlike New Orleans. He was already done partyin' there, after all.

 

[Chadman]

Before I get jumped on, I don't think politics were the main reason Bush went to California, so you can save that crap. I do think he cared about the people in harms way, mainly.

Compare that to a flyover appearance in New Orleans, though, and that might speak to the issue.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

the circumstances were quite diff I agree Chad--but still believe when you have advanced notice and days to evacuate--the locals hold the brunt of the blame and it goes up the ladder from there as far as responsibilty. In hindsight the only good option the feds would have had is come to N.O. 2 days before it hit and over ride Nagin's authority and forcibly remove the bulk of population--I believe they call that marshal law.

 

[djv]

Guys these are just not the same. In NO we had a city of over 1/2 millioin go down. Tough to plan for that. I would say if a city that size takes that type of hit tomorrow. We are not as ready as we think.
But This Was handled very WEll. And it's nice to see.

 

[hammer1]

Not one of your better efforts comrade, as a matter of fact just typical knee jerk reaction from a left wing nut:mj07:

AND PRAY TELL WHY WOULD THAT BE ..........COLON TOWN GUY >>>>>>>>>