CAL over USC............

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USC might be in trouble. :mj03:

Montana St 19 Colorado 10
Colorado 30 Texas Tech 6
Texas Tech 55 Baylor 21
Baylor 17 Kansas St 3
Kansas St 45 Texas 42
Texas 28 Oklahoma 10
Oklahoma 37 Washington 20
Washington 29 UCLA 19
UCLA 25 Oregon St 7
Oregon St 33 USC 31


Transitivity proves that Montana St is better than USC. :eek:
 

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that's becuase USC is a LOSER because they lost to an unrated team...

Any team (according to Scott4USC) that loses its last game (no matter if it is to the #1 team in the country is a LOSER...

The way I see it - WHO you lose to is much more important than WHEN you lose...

So, for now on USC is a LOSER for losing to a team that STILL is not in the top 25 (and won't be this year at all)...

LOSER! = USC = LOSER (by my calculations)...

(This should get Scott4USC fired up - I wouldn't be so fired up, if he didn't call Mich/Ohio State team a LOSER)
 

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that's becuase USC is a LOSER because they lost to an unrated team...

Any team (according to Scott4USC) that loses its last game (no matter if it is to the #1 team in the country is a LOSER...

The way I see it - WHO you lose to is much more important than WHEN you lose...

So, for now on USC is a LOSER for losing to a team that STILL is not in the top 25 (and won't be this year at all)...

LOSER! = USC = LOSER (by my calculations)...

(This should get Scott4USC fired up - I wouldn't be so fired up, if he didn't call Mich/Ohio State team a LOSER)

Read carefully. :director:

I said I do not reward LOSERS a trip to the BCS NC. :nooo:

If Michigan loses to Ohio St., I would not send them to the BCS NC game.

If Ohio St. loses to Michigan, I would not send them to the BCS NC game.


Why? :shrug:

Because I do not reward LOSERS a trip to the BCS NC game. ;142loser:

You do not get to play for a BCS NC if you LOSE your last game of the season. That would be rewarding a LOSER!

Like I said, I do not reward LOSERS! :nono:
 
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The big problem I have with your argument is:

The USC loss (to an unrated team) in not important, because they lost in the middle of the season to give them 1 loss....

Whereas the Michigan/Ohio State loser will also have 1 loss, losing to the #1 team in the nation - but they are a LOSER due to losing their last game...

You are basically saying, since their game was scheduled for the end of year, even though they have the same record as USC, and lost to a much better team, they are a LOSER due to losing the last game, due to circumstances out of their control (when the game is scheduled)...

That is one of the dumbest things I ever heard - to say the team that doesn't win that game a "LOSER", even though they have the same record as USC, but did not lose to a poor team like USC said...

Using your logic, ANY team that wins their last game is a WINNER, and is deserving of the NC game, no matter what the rest of the season.

That is dumb. I know you are blinded by USC loyalty (and I'm not a Mich or Ohio State fan) - but it is dumb logic to say that an undefeated team that loses in the last game to the #1 team is a LOSER and not deserving of a NC birth..

To me, a LOSER team is one that loses a game in conference to a team that is unranked and not in the top 25... It'd be like Michigan/Ohio State losing to Penn State on the road this year.....

If that was the case, THEN you'd have an argument... you can't sweep the Oregon State loss under the rug... it was an embarrassing, terrible loss for a team that considers itself a NC contendor...

Bottom line - USC doesn't deserve the birth, due to that loss... RUTGERS should be in before USC, for certain, among other 1 loss teams...

JMHO
 

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You focus on the USC loss but ignore all the impressive USC wins. That is why USC will go to the BCS NC game if they win out.

You don't get invited to the BCS NC based on who you lost too. You get invited based on the teams you beat.

I will NOT reward Michigan a trip to the BCS NC because they LOST to Ohio St. That would be rewarding a LOSER!

Based on YOUR logic, if a team played nothing but $hit teams and was undefeated and lost to the #1 team at the end of the year, you would argue they should go because they lost to the best team in CFB?

It matters who you beat. USC has $hit load of quality wins.

What is more impressive? :shrug:

Michigan beating Ohio St. but losing to Northwestern?

Michigan losing to Ohio St. but beating Northwestern?

USC falls under scenario #1. USC will have wins against all the top teams they faced. That is a bunch of quality wins and USC playing the #1 rated strength of schedule. The question is, can USC go undefeated? If they do, they are in and deservedly so!
 
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In all honesty, I do think USC is a quality team.

However, I also think Michigan and Ohio State are also quality teams.

They both would go undefeated if they didn't have to play each other. The problem is, both of these teams are SO FAR ahead of the competition, that a loss to the other is not a big deal.

If they lost to a Notre Dame, who is way down in the BCS (not in rankings, but in total BCS points), then it would be different.

I really believe you are talking Apples and Oranges here.. Ohio State and Michigan are the Apples, and the rest are the Oranges...

Obviously, Ohio State and Michigan wouldn't lose to a bad team like Oregon State - USC did, and they should be penalized.

When they play shouldn't matter - its unfortunate that they play the last week, but that is the case.

I want to see the best 2 teams in the NC - that is what it is all about.

That means Michigan - Ohio State.

USC had their "playoff" when they didnt' show up at Oregon State. They were favored by 10 if I remember right - they lost by 2.

Too bad the BCS didn't take point spreads into consideration. This would judge how a team plays according to it's schedule.....at least to some point.


Bring on the best 2 teams: OHIO STATE AND MICHIGAN.

USC had a decent year, but blew their chance at Oregon State. It only takes one bad loss to blow a season. That was it.

Sorry..... but there's always next year....
 

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In all honesty, I do think USC is a quality team.

However, I also think Michigan and Ohio State are also quality teams.

I agree.

They both would go undefeated if they didn't have to play each other. The problem is, both of these teams are SO FAR ahead of the competition, that a loss to the other is not a big deal.

I disagree.

I really believe you are talking Apples and Oranges here.. Ohio State and Michigan are the Apples, and the rest are the Oranges...

I disagree. What has Michigan and Ohio St. done to separate themselves by wide margin? YES, they both deserve #1 and #2 rankings. But separating themselves? IMO, OSU and Michigan would have at least 1 loss if they played USC's schedule.

Obviously, Ohio State and Michigan wouldn't lose to a bad team like Oregon State - USC did, and they should be penalized.

:nono: :nono: :nono:

Didn't Ohio St. beat Illioin 17-10 @Illinois? Didn't Illinois outgain Ohio St.? Both teams were even in turnovers. If Illinois was +1 or +2 turnovers, I think Illinois pulls off the upset. Oregon ST. was +4 turnovers AND got special teams TD and they only won by 2pts. Oregon St. is better than Illinois. OSU is fortunate Illinois turned the ball over twice themselves. If Illinois played perfect ball like Oregon St. did against USC, OSU "probably" loses.

Michigan 2 weeks ago struggled at home against Ball St. Didn't Ball St. fail on 4th and goal to potentially tie Michigan late 4th quarter? BALL ST. playing @MICHIGAN? :scared

Again, Michigan struggled at home against Northwestern winning 17-3. Lucky for Michigan, they were +3 turnovers yet only could beat Northwestern by 10pts @home. Northwestern turned the ball over 5 times against Michigan. If Northwestern played perfect game like Oregon St., no doubt in my mind they beat Michigan. Lucky for Michigan Northwestern turned it over 5 times.

NAH, maybe you are right. Ohio St. and Michigan never would lose a game @Oregon St. NEVER! Yep, they clearly are the 2 best teams and have separated themselves by a WIDE margin. Apples and organges.

I just think to myelf. OSU is fortunate Illinois turned it over twice, and Michigan is fortunate Northwestern turned it over 5 times. But if on either day, both of those 2 teams played perfect ball (similar to Oregon St. vs USC), both UM and OSU "probably" would have a loss.

USC was not as fortunate @Oregon St. USC played sloppy themselves (4 turnovers and gave up special teams TD) but on top of that, the team they faced played perfect ball. UNLIKE Northwestern and Illinois.

When they play shouldn't matter - its unfortunate that they play the last week, but that is the case.

Who cares. You should EARN your BCS NC. Win on Sat. you are in. Earn that victory. Don't expect to get rewarded for LOSING!

I want to see the best 2 teams in the NC - that is what it is all about.

That means Michigan - Ohio State.

Nope. One of those teams will have a loss and no way am I rewarding a team for finishing the season losing. That would be rewarding a LOSER!

USC had their "playoff" when they didnt' show up at Oregon State. They were favored by 10 if I remember right - they lost by 2. Too bad the BCS didn't take point spreads into consideration. This would judge how a team plays according to it's schedule.....at least to some point.

Wasn't Michigan favored by 30 against Northwestern and won by 10pts? That is a 20pt difference vs 12pt difference USC had vs OSU. Advantage USC. :142smilie

USC -7 vs Arkansas @ARKY and USC won 50-14. +29pt advantage. Michigan was -33.5 favored over Ball St. Michigan won by 8pts. That is a minus 25.5 pts. I think I like YOUR system! :142smilie

Bring on the best 2 teams: OHIO STATE AND MICHIGAN.

Nope. One of those teams will LOSE on Sat. and not deserve a trip to BCS NC. Remember, WE DO NOT REWARD LOSERS! Maybe you do, I DON'T!
 

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Keep going Mags.........

The problem is....you have NO way of winning this debate....:mj07: Don't you have any idea exactly who you're talking to??????????? This is Scotty's time of the year and he's back for the fight....

as Scott would say....FIGHT ON!!!!!!
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you keep using turnovers as an excuse...

Good teams cause TO's and do not turn over the balll....

Good teams know you can't do this on the road, just like you can't get beat on special teams if you want to beat a bad team on the road...

You keep making excuses for USC. They lost to a bad team. Michigan and Ohio State have not lost, played in a great conference, and played great teams in their NC slate (texas and notre dame).

And 1 will lose to the other. They still should go to the NC agame.

Neither team let down and lost to bad team.

That is the strike against USC.. the Big 10 teams have better quality wins than USC (beating Texas on the road, Notre Dame on the road) and no losses to bad teams.

WHAT TEAM DID USC BEAT ON THE ROAD THE QUALITY OF TEXAS OR NOTRE DAME? NONE

How many losses does USC have compared to Michigan or Ohio State? 1 compared to None

How many losses to Ohio State or Michigan have to unranked teams? NONE

USC has beaten a bunch of teams that are "average" in the BCS... They have not beat a top team in the BCS.

IF they could do that on the road, a team the quaility of Texas or Notre Dame - AGIAIN ON THE ROAD - well, that is what they need to do to redeem themselves for the EMBARRASING OREGON STATE LOSS.

Until they do that, they are a pretender. They have not done anything to prove their worth - they can't even beat an unranked Oregon State on the road, much less a team like Notre Dame or Texas on the road.

If Michigan loses a close game (within 10) to Ohio State, they deserve the National Championship game.

If you are a "true" NC contender, you have impressive road wins, and do not lose to an unranked team. USC does not have that.

I'm sorry - I know I'm arguing with someone that lives their life thru USC football - but please take a step back and look at things realistically.
 

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you keep using turnovers as an excuse...

Good teams cause TO's and do not turn over the balll....

Good teams know you can't do this on the road, just like you can't get beat on special teams if you want to beat a bad team on the road...

You keep making excuses for USC. They lost to a bad team. Michigan and Ohio State have not lost, played in a great conference, and played great teams in their NC slate (texas and notre dame).

And 1 will lose to the other. They still should go to the NC agame.

Neither team let down and lost to bad team.

That is the strike against USC.. the Big 10 teams have better quality wins than USC (beating Texas on the road, Notre Dame on the road) and no losses to bad teams.

WHAT TEAM DID USC BEAT ON THE ROAD THE QUALITY OF TEXAS OR NOTRE DAME? NONE

How many losses does USC have compared to Michigan or Ohio State? 1 compared to None

How many losses to Ohio State or Michigan have to unranked teams? NONE

USC has beaten a bunch of teams that are "average" in the BCS... They have not beat a top team in the BCS.

IF they could do that on the road, a team the quaility of Texas or Notre Dame - AGIAIN ON THE ROAD - well, that is what they need to do to redeem themselves for the EMBARRASING OREGON STATE LOSS.

Until they do that, they are a pretender. They have not done anything to prove their worth - they can't even beat an unranked Oregon State on the road, much less a team like Notre Dame or Texas on the road.

If Michigan loses a close game (within 10) to Ohio State, they deserve the National Championship game.

If you are a "true" NC contender, you have impressive road wins, and do not lose to an unranked team. USC does not have that.

I'm sorry - I know I'm arguing with someone that lives their life thru USC football - but please take a step back and look at things realistically.

Didn't USC beat Arkansas on the road??? I believe they're rated higher than Texas and in the top 10.
 

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Who wants to see OSU vs UM 2 in the NC.

I say once is enough.

USC/FL/N.D Are all worthy.
 

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you keep using turnovers as an excuse...

Good teams cause TO's and do not turn over the balll....

Good teams know you can't do this on the road, just like you can't get beat on special teams if you want to beat a bad team on the road...

You keep making excuses for USC. They lost to a bad team. Michigan and Ohio State have not lost, played in a great conference, and played great teams in their NC slate (texas and notre dame).

I agree! Except I gave you clear examples where BOTH OSU and Michigan could EASILY have lost this year and neither of their opponents played as well as Oregon St. Michigan is NOT as great as you think. Def. not that much better (if better) than USC. OSU has been great all year.

And 1 will lose to the other. They still should go to the NC agame.

So you like to reward teams for losing?

Neither team let down and lost to bad team.

Neither OSU or Michigan have as many quality wins as USC!

That is the strike against USC.. the Big 10 teams have better quality wins than USC (beating Texas on the road, Notre Dame on the road) and no losses to bad teams.

Big 10 is not anything special.

WHAT TEAM DID USC BEAT ON THE ROAD THE QUALITY OF TEXAS OR NOTRE DAME? NONE

Dirt Diapers answered that. @ARKANSAS to open the season across the entire country! :scared

How many losses does USC have compared to Michigan or Ohio State? 1 compared to None

Assuming USC wins out, USC will have the same amount of losses as the LOSER of the OSU/Michigan game. On top of that, USC will have MORE quality wins than the LOSER

USC has beaten a bunch of teams that are "average" in the BCS... They have not beat a top team in the BCS.

:nono:

IF they could do that on the road, a team the quaility of Texas or Notre Dame - AGIAIN ON THE ROAD - well, that is what they need to do to redeem themselves for the EMBARRASING OREGON STATE LOSS.

:nono: :nono: :nono:

Until they do that, they are a pretender. They have not done anything to prove their worth - they can't even beat an unranked Oregon State on the road, much less a team like Notre Dame or Texas on the road.

:mj07: :mj07: :mj07:

If Michigan loses a close game (within 10) to Ohio State, they deserve the National Championship game.

That is rewarding a LOSER! ;142loser:
 
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