If so how many are out there?? What does it take to get there? Last ?? if possible to do .....how long at 55% or so (picks) to know you can do it .......hope not a crazy ?
?? can it be done ( sports betting) fulltime job..
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this has been asked many times, very few can do it in the long haul with all the mental stress and anguish, hole yourself up and study games all day, no health benefits, and no guarantee that your hard work will pay off........Fletcher's very good and a pro, and british bulldog, but not many else if any that I know of on this site unless someone corrects me
Mike
Mike
First off if you are going to try to make it a job, the % is really not that no one well most no one plays all games for the same amount. 2nd you need to have own ins, and pay taxes and get a good cpa if you don't pay yourself a salary how do you expect to get ssi and other benifits at 65, also you neer to set up your own ira, and money won needs to be put back in that is the management part most people win and spend does not work that way for at least 3 years then must be smart on what you spend . also takes money to start and don't count on getting away to many days for vacation because even with laptop offshore or a book you know where you are at you will always be thinking if you are missing out on something . then the hardest to do is quit when you have you set limit for the week,greed will sink you and have to know when to say nothing is worth it. not the lights and glamor you see on tv trust me.
thanks very much Fletcher and NY sportsfan.....
thanks very much Fletcher and NY sportsfan.....
Fletcher your post brings up a good ?? I see conflicting advice that you should stick to a certain $ amount per unit bet or vary bets.....it appears by your post you need to vary bets.....again any info is appreciated
thanks very much Fletcher and NY sportsfan.....
Fletcher your post brings up a good ?? I see conflicting advice that you should stick to a certain $ amount per unit bet or vary bets.....it appears by your post you need to vary bets.....again any info is appreciated
there is no set rule but 99.9 of the people i know who do this for a livining do not play the same amount on each game , nor is it true that all big players are dog players ask nick d i showed him first hand , you have to have a mix and find out what is right for you and you won't find it by reading a book or at a posting form be it from me , nolan or anyone else you learn by taking your lumps and adjusting.
Thanks again is there any info at all I could find...
Thanks again is there any info at all I could find...
worth reading or looking into I know you stated ( and i agree you learn by doing .....its not in a book ) but for background and general info...........do many pros share info? work together ? I assume some would be better in one particular area......again thanks for all the info on this and your posts each week ( and to all on here great guys ................on MJs
Thanks again is there any info at all I could find...
worth reading or looking into I know you stated ( and i agree you learn by doing .....its not in a book ) but for background and general info...........do many pros share info? work together ? I assume some would be better in one particular area......again thanks for all the info on this and your posts each week ( and to all on here great guys ................on MJs
yea tons of pros share info, obviously only they share with other sucessful pros and they gotta have something to bring to the table, I always aspired to be a professional gambler, but the swings were too much for me, I think its better as a part time supplemental income thing like Nolan does, fletch is one of the few that can do it its a big grind thats all. Everyones got their preferences and sports they prefer and are better at, you just gotta do the work on the sports you do best and surround yourself with smart people, gonna drop you an email in a few days eric, thanks again
Mike
Mike
Agree with Fletcher on most-but It can and is done-TWO things-self control and steady hard work--The worm feels there are only so many good games in any given week-so if you bet too many games---goodbye bankroll-you need a large bankroll that is not touched for everyday uses-you take your profits quarterly and keep great notes(by hand and computer) use MJ's and the internet etc-lots of little things come into play but.................try it, you only live once
Thanks to Mike Fletcher others on this post
Thanks to Mike Fletcher others on this post
appreciate the info and anymore that you think I could use .....
Thanks to Mike Fletcher others on this post
appreciate the info and anymore that you think I could use .....
whats so funny kosar, what do you have against nolan in every single thread? The guy busts his a$$ and puts his balls on the line by posting analysis and picks every week, so he hasnt been doing well, he has contributed all those halftime angles and countless other things to this site and has been very nice in answering my emails, you're an idiot for bashing him, if thats what you intended to do
doubleon11, if you're good enough to be a pro capper go try it man, nobody knows if you are only you'll know, Im not nearly good enough and the strain's too much on me, but it's great to have no boss and no time clock, but you better produce winners so you can take a salary, or you'll be eating a lot of rice and beans and macaroni and cheese, but at least you benefit directly from good performance, unlike at a regular job where they pay you regardless
Mike
doubleon11, if you're good enough to be a pro capper go try it man, nobody knows if you are only you'll know, Im not nearly good enough and the strain's too much on me, but it's great to have no boss and no time clock, but you better produce winners so you can take a salary, or you'll be eating a lot of rice and beans and macaroni and cheese, but at least you benefit directly from good performance, unlike at a regular job where they pay you regardless
Mike
Mike ( NYSPORTSFAN)
Mike ( NYSPORTSFAN)
thank for the insight and taking time to respond anymore info you have or others like Fletcher please pass on good luck .......
Mike ( NYSPORTSFAN)
thank for the insight and taking time to respond anymore info you have or others like Fletcher please pass on good luck .......
no problem doubleon11, Im a young guy, but have been gambling all my life and taking the ups and downs, its a brutal business to make a living at, but only you know if you can do it, fletcher knows a lot more listen to what he said about taxes, pension etc I never dealt with that because I never did it full time for too long of a time, but you gotta have great discipline and either flat bet or use units and do it right and not get greedy, thats pretty much it, tough business though
Mike
Mike
If you don't have multi-bankrolls, you got no chance. If you're not already hooked up with some pros that can quickly teach you the value of points and situations in various sports, you got no chance. If you don't already have some idea how to build a better line than the guys at LVSC, you got no chance. If you can't understand which sports can consistently be beaten, you got no chance. If you have no way of replenishing your bankroll after failure, you got no chance. If you're not in a position to earn money from a real job while learning the different nuances required (it will take years), you got no chance. If you have to ask questions about what to do here in a forum, you got no chance.
You never did it 'full-time' at all, brother. Just a month ago, in yet another of your 'advice' posts, you were asking where caddy or bartending jobs paid the most. You've never done it full-time, so just stop the bullshit.
You're like 20 years old or something, as I remember. I was about your age when I got conned by Jim Feist. That f*cker would never stop calling my apartment when I was in college. I was young and dumb like you at one time.
You find Nolan Dallas sludge worthwhile and I thought I had a goldmine in Jim Feists service. Same difference. But it will be a while before you understand what i'm talking about.
Stay out of the sandtraps, Mike.
You're like 20 years old or something, as I remember. I was about your age when I got conned by Jim Feist. That f*cker would never stop calling my apartment when I was in college. I was young and dumb like you at one time.
You find Nolan Dallas sludge worthwhile and I thought I had a goldmine in Jim Feists service. Same difference. But it will be a while before you understand what i'm talking about.
Stay out of the sandtraps, Mike.
NySportsfan said:
I actually agree with Kosar (i can not believe I just wrote that) about one of his points, but you will have to guess what that point is because I do not want to open a can of WORMS......
kosar, let me clarify a few things. Im not taking pot shots at you, so dont take them at me. For a period of time, I didnt work, and tried to do this 12 hrs a day and make money, and I did make a little bit, but its ridiculously stressful, and it takes a certain person to do it, and Im not that person...
re:Nolan, you're missing my point. I dont coattail his picks pal, I dont do that to anyone, I read his information, sportsbook reviews, and respect the life he has of no real job and having freedom to do what he wants, and he has given me advice personally via email, how the hell can you mention jim feist? Nolan's not a tout, in fact I rarely agree with his picks, just said hes a stand up guy, and tries to help people, and put in all those man hours with the halftime angles and other things, I dont need to defend him, If you dont want to do anything besides take cheap shots at people then get outta here, Im relaying information Ive learned whether Im 20 yrs old or 100 yrs old is irrelevant, it matters what experiences you have and what you learn from them, no need to be a jerk though, we're all trying to beat the books
re:Nolan, you're missing my point. I dont coattail his picks pal, I dont do that to anyone, I read his information, sportsbook reviews, and respect the life he has of no real job and having freedom to do what he wants, and he has given me advice personally via email, how the hell can you mention jim feist? Nolan's not a tout, in fact I rarely agree with his picks, just said hes a stand up guy, and tries to help people, and put in all those man hours with the halftime angles and other things, I dont need to defend him, If you dont want to do anything besides take cheap shots at people then get outta here, Im relaying information Ive learned whether Im 20 yrs old or 100 yrs old is irrelevant, it matters what experiences you have and what you learn from them, no need to be a jerk though, we're all trying to beat the books
doubleon11 my name was mentioned at the start here by NySportsfan.
I and Fletcher could advise you on many aspects. Fletchers are more complicated than mine because there in America he has to pay taxes on money won and so very wisely Fletcher chooses to run his as a buisness. With that comes some benefits but wisely he puts money away in funds for later years.
I on the other hand, don't have to pay tax on any winnings over here in the UK. I used to work full time for a company but lost my job on health grounds because I suffered a disability that prevented me from working in that specfic field. Other work was limited so I chose to back my judgement and wager on sports for a full time living.
Before I committed myself to this I had kept over 3 years of detailed accounts of every wager I had made. I had shown a profit in each of those three years and by researching what sports and bet types had been profitable I could in all probability make larger profits.
Now you mention flat betting so I hope I am correct in assumming this is the same amount of $ wagered on every bet. This has one purpose in that it shows you if you are a capable capper WHO could win. I have posted articles and contributed to other threads along the lines that you hare asking, and the one sound piece of advice I can give you is MONEY MANAGEMENT. You must learn to acquire the knack of knowing when to stake one unit or when a play merits a 3 unit stake.
You can read as many books as you like. What works for one person will not neccessarily work for you. You need to sort the wheat from the chaff with all this self teaching/advice books. Most books will give you something but it is not a written law. Note it down, remind yourself of these notes and look to how you can in-corporate it into your overall betting strategy's.
WHAT I AM SAYING IN EFFECT IS WITH SOUND MONEY MANAGEMENT YOU CAN PROFIT BY WINNING ONLY 35-40% OF GAMES WAGERED ON AND WITH POOR "M.M." YOU WILL LOSE EVEN IF YOU WIN AT A 70% CLIP.
55% winners is a sound bench mark and one that you should strive for. Don't expect 60% over a long period of time, it will not happen regardless of what other posters claim on here every day of the week. I am not talking 3 months or 6 months as a long period, I am talking in the region of 2-3 years as a long time and that is in all sports, not just football.
Unless you are playing at $500 a unit and betting 6+ games per week, you are not going to make a living on any one sport. You need to acquire capping skills that will let you wager on sports for most of the year. You may want to play hockey and baseball, that would be all year round betting, but just football or basketball isn't going to cut it unless as I said you have a very large bankroll and stakes are high. Then there is still no guarantee because one poor season can ruin three previous seasons work.
One last point, your bankroll should be atleast 100 times the amount of your standard wager, that is the basic bottom line, but I am of a cautious nature and have my bankroll at around 200 units with a reserve bank of another 100 units.
I and Fletcher could advise you on many aspects. Fletchers are more complicated than mine because there in America he has to pay taxes on money won and so very wisely Fletcher chooses to run his as a buisness. With that comes some benefits but wisely he puts money away in funds for later years.
I on the other hand, don't have to pay tax on any winnings over here in the UK. I used to work full time for a company but lost my job on health grounds because I suffered a disability that prevented me from working in that specfic field. Other work was limited so I chose to back my judgement and wager on sports for a full time living.
Before I committed myself to this I had kept over 3 years of detailed accounts of every wager I had made. I had shown a profit in each of those three years and by researching what sports and bet types had been profitable I could in all probability make larger profits.
Now you mention flat betting so I hope I am correct in assumming this is the same amount of $ wagered on every bet. This has one purpose in that it shows you if you are a capable capper WHO could win. I have posted articles and contributed to other threads along the lines that you hare asking, and the one sound piece of advice I can give you is MONEY MANAGEMENT. You must learn to acquire the knack of knowing when to stake one unit or when a play merits a 3 unit stake.
You can read as many books as you like. What works for one person will not neccessarily work for you. You need to sort the wheat from the chaff with all this self teaching/advice books. Most books will give you something but it is not a written law. Note it down, remind yourself of these notes and look to how you can in-corporate it into your overall betting strategy's.
WHAT I AM SAYING IN EFFECT IS WITH SOUND MONEY MANAGEMENT YOU CAN PROFIT BY WINNING ONLY 35-40% OF GAMES WAGERED ON AND WITH POOR "M.M." YOU WILL LOSE EVEN IF YOU WIN AT A 70% CLIP.
55% winners is a sound bench mark and one that you should strive for. Don't expect 60% over a long period of time, it will not happen regardless of what other posters claim on here every day of the week. I am not talking 3 months or 6 months as a long period, I am talking in the region of 2-3 years as a long time and that is in all sports, not just football.
Unless you are playing at $500 a unit and betting 6+ games per week, you are not going to make a living on any one sport. You need to acquire capping skills that will let you wager on sports for most of the year. You may want to play hockey and baseball, that would be all year round betting, but just football or basketball isn't going to cut it unless as I said you have a very large bankroll and stakes are high. Then there is still no guarantee because one poor season can ruin three previous seasons work.
One last point, your bankroll should be atleast 100 times the amount of your standard wager, that is the basic bottom line, but I am of a cautious nature and have my bankroll at around 200 units with a reserve bank of another 100 units.
Originally posted by auspice
If you don't have multi-bankrolls,you got no chance.
If you're not already hooked up with some pros that can quickly teach you the value of points and situations in various sports, you got no chance.
If you don't already have some idea how to build a better line than the guys at LVSC, you got no chance.
If you can't understand which sports can consistently be beaten, you got no chance.
If you have no way of replenishing your bankroll after failure, you got no chance.
If you're not in a position to earn money from a real job while learning the different nuances required (it will take years), you got no chance.
If you have to ask questions about what to do here in a forum, you got no chance.
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auspice.
This is best one I have ever read about turning pro.
nice job.
KOD
If you don't have multi-bankrolls,you got no chance.
If you're not already hooked up with some pros that can quickly teach you the value of points and situations in various sports, you got no chance.
If you don't already have some idea how to build a better line than the guys at LVSC, you got no chance.
If you can't understand which sports can consistently be beaten, you got no chance.
If you have no way of replenishing your bankroll after failure, you got no chance.
If you're not in a position to earn money from a real job while learning the different nuances required (it will take years), you got no chance.
If you have to ask questions about what to do here in a forum, you got no chance.
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auspice.
This is best one I have ever read about turning pro.
nice job.
KOD
