Can John McCain win in November?

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JOHN FUND ON THE TRAIL

Getting to 270

February 11, 2008

The conventional wisdom is that Republicans start at a serious disadvantage in trying to hold the White House. A still-unpopular war and a softening economy certainly represent challenges. So far, most of the enthusiasm in the primaries has been on the Democratic side, with some 13 million voters casting Democratic ballots and fewer than 9 million picking a GOP one.

But despite these obstacles, John McCain will now begin to assemble his fall election team with surprisingly good poll results. The average of all the recent national polls summarized by RealClearPolitics.com show the Arizona senator leading Hillary Clinton by 47% to 45% and trailing Barack Obama by only 44% to 47%. Both results are within the statistical margin of error for national polls, so it's fair to say Mr. McCain starts out with an even chance of winning.

How could that be? The answer is that the same maverick streak and occasional departures from conservative orthodoxy that make conservatives queasy have the opposite effect on independents and even some Democrats. Mr. McCain's favorable numbers with independents exceed those of Barack Obama, who has emphasized his desire to work across party lines.

All of this plays out in the Electoral College map that is the key to victory in November. One candidate or the other must win at least 270 electoral votes. The assumption has been that Democrats have an advantage because they can supposedly win every state John Kerry took in 2004 plus Ohio, which has fallen on hard economic times and seen its state Republican Party discredited. That would give the Democratic nominee at least 272 electoral votes.

But Mr. McCain's rise to the GOP nomination throws that calculation out the window. He is the only potential GOP candidate who is clearly positioned to keep the basic red-blue template of how each state voted in 2004 intact and then be able to move into blue territory.

Let's assume that Ohio goes to either Mr. Obama or Ms. Clinton. It's at least as likely that Mr. McCain could carry New Hampshire. The Granite State went only narrowly to Mr. Kerry, a senator from a neighboring state, and Mr. McCain has unique advantages there. New Hampshire elections are determined by how that state's fiercely independent voters go, and Mr. McCain has won over many of them in both the 2000 and 2008 GOP primaries. He spent 47 days in New Hampshire before this year's primary and is well-known in the state. If Mr. McCain lost Ohio but carried New Hampshire and all the other states Mr. Bush took in 2004, he would win, 270-268.

It's true that Democrats will make a play for states other than Ohio that Mr. Bush won. Iowa is a perennially competitive state that could go either way this fall. Arkansas polls show that Hillary Clinton might well be able to carry the state where she served as First Lady for over a decade.

But Mr. McCain's roots in the Rocky Mountain West complicate Democratic efforts to take states in that region. His fierce individualism and support for property rights play well in Nevada and Colorado, which were close in 2004. New Mexico, next door to Mr. McCain's Arizona, gave Mr. Bush a very narrow 49.6% to 49% victory in 2004. But Mr. McCain's nuanced position on immigration marks him as the GOP candidate who is most likely to hold the Hispanic voters who are the key to carrying New Mexico.

Mr. McCain also puts several Midwest battleground states in play. Should he pick Minnesota's Gov. Tim Pawlenty as his vice presidential choice, he might have a leg up on carrying both Minnesota and Wisconsin, which went narrowly for Mr. Kerry in 2004.

"The media markets in western Wisconsin get Minneapolis television and are oriented to their news--Pawlenty would be a plus there," says Rep. Paul Ryan, a Republican. "McCain's independent stands would play well in that region--which is exactly where GOP presidential candidates have done poorly enough so that they lost statewide by 12,000 votes or so in both 2004 and 2000."

Mr. McCain can be competitive in other blue states. Michigan went Democratic in 2004 by only 3.4% of the total vote, and Oregon by just over 4%. The latest Field Poll in California puts Mr. McCain and Hillary Clinton in a statistical tie. If Democrats have to spend valuable time and resources holding down California, it will make it more difficult for them to take states they lost in 2000 and 2004.

Mr. McCain could even make a foray into the Northeast, where his support from Sen. Joe Lieberman, the Democratic Party's 2000 vice presidential candidate, could put Connecticut in contention. Ditto New Jersey, which Mr. Bush lost by only 53% to 46% in 2004.

Then there is Pennsylvania, which John Kerry carried by only 2.5% points in 2004. Michael Smerconish, the most popular talk-show host in Philadelphia, believes Mr. McCain has a real chance to carry the state. While Mr. Smerconish is a conservative who didn't support Mr. McCain, he thinks "the conservative blasting of McCain is good publicity around here." His independence and maverick status are exactly the qualities that could help him carry the tightly contested Philadelphia suburbs that voted to re-elect GOP senator Arlen Specter, a moderate, in 2004 but rejected conservative Rick Santorum in 2006.

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In some ways Mr. McCain resembles Nicolas Sarkozy, the French conservative who won last year's presidential election even though the retiring president, Jacques Chirac, was unpopular and a member of his own party. "Like Sarko, who was of Chirac's party but not of Chirac, America's swing voters have intuited over the years that there is little love lost between McCain and George Bush," says the blog Race42008.

Mr. Sarkozy was able to convince a majority of French voters that he represented real change that would improve conditions, while his socialist rival, Segolene Royal, represented risky change that could make matters worse. That is precisely the challenge Mr. McCain faces this year against Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton.

When you hear that the demise of the Republicans is a foregone conclusion, remember that when the campaign is joined this fall and voters will have to make real choices about the direction of the country, the result is likely to be close. Recall that pundits were ready to crown Michael Dukakis the winner of the 1988 election after he opened up a 17-point edge over George H.W. Bush. In 2000, they declared the race over around Labor Day after Al Gore opened up a clear lead over George W. Bush.

Given that polls show Mr. McCain is currently in a dead heat against either Mr. Obama or Mrs. Clinton, it would be wise for the pundits to show a little humility this year. The Democratic strategists I talk to believe the race will be hard-fought and close, regardless of the direction the economy or the war in Iraq takes.
 

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not sure...but,the media is screeching already about the 6 gitmo detainees being charged for 9/11.......and the gov`t is going for the death penalty...

of course,the media`s only question is regarding "waterboarding".....the the msm, there is only one enemy : america...

f-ck em all..

back to mccain,i`m swaying toward the little liberal...i can imagine what we`d here out of the "big 3" when they`re asked about this trial....

hillary?... vague talk about justice...

obama?... 10,000 words, and not a single clear statement...maybe something about "change"...

mccain? .....i`m hoping,"no problem....hang 'em high."...unless he wants it all thrown out because waterboarding is "illegal'.......

then,i`m back to square one...sitting this chinese fire drill out...
 

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I think McCain has a chance to win - but apparently I'm in the minority here that think any of the three remaining candidates can (I don't think Huckabee can).

I think that conservatives will stop their blubbering sooner than later and line up with him against the black guy or the woman...I mean REALLY...what god and terrarist fearing conservative would ever want one of those types to speak on their behalf?

It will be interesting to see how the conservatives spin things in voting for the person they spoke so unflatteringly of over the election process.
 

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I think that conservatives will stop their blubbering sooner than later and line up with him against the black guy or the woman...I mean REALLY...what god and terrarist fearing conservative would ever want one of those types to speak on their behalf?

I'll tell you, after reading some of the posts in Wayne's Hillary/Obama thread just now, it almosts makes me want to check out for a while. Unbelievable the intolerance and hate that is being posted of late. All I want to do is tear into some people, but think I'd better not.

Going to go throw some elbows on the basketball court, and try to calm down...peace, brothers.

?????
 

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A fair posting of question marks. I confess, I remain pretty angry about many of the things I've read, and I posted a generic rant-thread encompassing conservatives in general, which is what I'm railing on in others. I'll try to be more specific and wade into those posts I have issues with if I care to put on my galoshes :walk: .
 

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How'd you do the double quote--been trying to figure that out? Can see where that will come in handy :)

On Mccain winning--lot depends on who is running against who and who the VP are.

Main issue will move from Iraq to economy I believe.
Could be huge sore spot for Dems

Believe people are overstating issue of Iraq--remember how things were going in 04 and we were just coming off prison scandle to boot- things coundn't look worse--wrong!
Not so with we the people--and considering what shape things are in now and prospects of what might be in Nov--the Iraq issue might be huge negative for the we lost/surrender at any cost crew.
 

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I once thought John was the Man. But his 72 years is showing already. And it sounds unless it's just a game 10% of his party can't stand the guy. If just some of those stay home in Nov he will lose big.
 

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McCain has been labeled a liberal by the wacko right because he has attempted to work with the other side of the aisle on several occasions to get things done in Congress. This is how insane this country has become. McCain is merely an extension of Bush.

He cannot win in November.

Eddie
 

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McCain has been labeled a liberal by the wacko right because he has attempted to work with the other side of the aisle on several occasions to get things done in Congress. This is how insane this country has become. McCain is merely an extension of Bush.

He cannot win in November.

Eddie

eddie...

care to make a friendly wager ?
 

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Thats okay, AR. I've taken several valium and I've calmed down now.

Eddie

eddie..

i'm trying to make bets like the one i have with smurphy on this election so i can get some free meals for myself & my wife for the upcoming year...:mj07: :mj07:
 
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two reasons why he could win : the far left and right are against him.

i think mccain is the worst nightmare for the dems.once the anger settles down from the conservatives, mccain can & will appeal to a large number of different voters..where romney or huckabee couldn't.
 

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you are right. plus : if you agree or disagree with him , the american people trust him. It's either Mc or Ob ..... to many of us don't trust clinton. America is not going back for more bush or clinton .
 
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McCain has been labeled a liberal by the wacko right because he has attempted to work with the other side of the aisle on several occasions to get things done in Congress. This is how insane this country has become. McCain is merely an extension of Bush.

He cannot win in November.

Eddie

Agree 100% ,except yes he can win in November.
 

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I promise I won't preach against the danger of excessive gambling especially at a gambling website, but don't you think there could be a problem when your laying odds on a presidential election? I mean NFL, college hoops & football, yeah, even an occasional baseball game I understand, but the presidential election?

Please call me if you start checking the Republic for the Agua Fria v. Flowing Wells girls hoops junior varsity lines and seeing if your local will take that action. We will need to talk.

Eddie
 

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AR, I would enjoy a friendly wager with you on the election. I believe the democratic party will win this election, with either Obama or Hillary on the top of the ticket, and with most any other mentioned candidate as VP.

Anything can certainly happen, and probably will. But I remain convinced that at the end of the day, both sides will retreat back into more of a status quo if undecided, and will stay true to the political roots they came into this with. And I still think the dissatisfaction with the Bush administration will have the most negative effect on the final tally - much like the past mid-term did. Many ways to look at it, that's just my short way.

I won't bore you with my real expectation of something serious of a terroristic nature coming to light (whether real or hinted at) as we get closer to November, if the dems remain close or if they gain any traction. This concerns me, and fully expect it.

But, I'll hop on for a gift certificate for a sensible meal that either of us can cash in on come November - or whenever the recounts and legal issues are decided...:142smilie
 

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AR, I would enjoy a friendly wager with you on the election. I believe the democratic party will win this election, with either Obama or Hillary on the top of the ticket, and with most any other mentioned candidate as VP.

Anything can certainly happen, and probably will. But I remain convinced that at the end of the day, both sides will retreat back into more of a status quo if undecided, and will stay true to the political roots they came into this with. And I still think the dissatisfaction with the Bush administration will have the most negative effect on the final tally - much like the past mid-term did. Many ways to look at it, that's just my short way.

I won't bore you with my real expectation of something serious of a terroristic nature coming to light (whether real or hinted at) as we get closer to November, if the dems remain close or if they gain any traction. This concerns me, and fully expect it.

But, I'll hop on for a gift certificate for a sensible meal that either of us can cash in on come November - or whenever the recounts and legal issues are decided...:142smilie

hil will never take the vp
 
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