Can somebody explain...

[Nosigar]

... why the hell all this talk the last few weeks about a shared National title. Why is USC being said to "perhaps" share the title. I thought the BCS had a National Title game. This year it's called the Sugar Bowl. Now. if the coaches and writers vote USC No. 1, that's fine, but that's only a fraction of this equation.
What if LSU beats Oklahoma, should the coaches vote themnumber 1. Hell, most coaches barely have a clue of what's going on with their team, and to be capable of voting?? And the writers are people like ESPN, etc. who are the only ones that can let the coaches know on Sundays who was better than who. Same goes fr the friggin computers and SOS.
Until a better system is implemented, the National champion will be the winner of the National championship game, period. EVEN if its Oklahoma with a loss in the conference title game. Heck, that's the way it was set up, to avoid this bullshit. Wild card teams win Super Bowls and World Series, what's the fuqking deal.

Bottom line is USC should end number 3 in the nation, Michigan No. 4 and the winnner of Sugar Bowl No. 1, period. Until we get a real playoff system.

 

[AnkAnk]

Nosigar

Nosigar

We are the minority - but I TOTALLY agree with you.

 

[ctownguy]

:iagree: Thats why they call it THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME being played this year in the Sugar Bowl.

Last yr it was in the Fiesta Bowl. It was NOT IN THE ROSE BOWL THIS YR.

usc had a great season but finishes 3rd in the country PERIODhmh

 

[gecko]

I think it's safer to say that this year's Sugar Bowl winner is the "BCS National champion". Without a playoff system that ends in a true championship game, there will be a doubt cast as in this case. There wouldn't be a big ruckus if USC wasn't a legitimate national title-caliber team. That the Trojans are.

BTW are we all so sure that the Trojans will end up #3 in the final BCS rankings given their Bowl victory? Just wondering.

 

[Rudogg]

USC deserves an opportunity to play whoever wins the Fiesta Bowl. It is crazy to think a computer decides who wins the National Championship. You mean to tell me because Notre Dame lost to Syracuse that USC dosn't get a chance to play for the championship. The system is wrong and USC is the National champion!!

 

[ctownguy]

GECKO & RUDOGG

No one is saying this system is fair, but it is the way the NCAA and all the college presidents voted for and since that is the system that is in place thats the way it is.

You can't change the rules in the middle of the season, just because a team like usc started out weak and ended up strong.

Until they change the system, the National Champion will be the winner of the Sugar Bowl this yr. Like it or not:tongue

 

[gecko]

Okay, I just found out the BCS system was designed to determine the two teams that will play in the "national championship" game. The #3 team at the end of the regular season is only guaranteed to receive an at-large bid in a BCS bowl, that's all. Otherwise the BCS serves no other real purpose.

But USC will not finish the #3 team at year's end because that's not what the BCS was designed to do. Hypothetically, if the BCS rankings are recalculated at the end of the bowl season, you could say that the Trojans will finish #2 given that LSU just eeked out USC for the Sugar Bowl berth.

It's a real shame because although the final coaches' poll will be the winner of the Sugar Bowl, the #1 team currently in that poll is USC!!!

So the Sugar Bowl winner will be the BCS National Champions, while USC will be the #1 team according to the AP, and most like ly #1 with the coaches if not for the BCS contract.

 

[ctownguy]

Gecko, those 2 polls mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING as far as who is National Champion.

This crap about a split NC is just that, it is something the sports media has tried to sell and have done it very well becasue alot of them want usc, BUT TOO BAD THEIR WILL BE ONLY ONE NC and it will be LSU or Oklahoma

usc fans deal with it:sadwave:

 

[Nosigar]

It's the media champion, not the BCS champion. Goddamn writers and reporters and their clique/viewer ratings. I guarantee you that if instead of USC it were Idaho or some shit like that in the same exact position as USC, there would be very little TV time dedicated to this Bullchit. It's like a coup' de' etat attempt (sp). Damn commies, un-american sob's. j/k

WTF, it's only football. I'm just happy to be there. Let's get a friggin playoff!

 

[Kdogg21]

the AP poll as always been a piece of crap anyways. its better to lose in the beginging of the season, than later. Doesn't make any sense at all. I'm sure they are gonna have to have a playoff system soon, but even when that goes into affect, their are gonna be contraversies of who else should of been in as well, but at least we could put the top 8 teams together and duke it out...

and its funny about USC winning the rose bowl. im gone to a few websites, and all their headlines say they won the rose bowl. nothing much winning a championship

 

[the_fix_is_on]

I think the difference of opinion is based on the value you place on the BCS. If you think that the BCS has the sole right to determine the national champion, that's your prerogative. If you think that the Associated Press has a right to determine who the national champion is, that's your prerogative too. If they both have a right, you've got a shared national title.
If you think it's time for a playoff system, write your representatives.

 

[dr. freeze]

Syracuse didn't win its championship because they were voted #1 in the AP poll last year

Most NBA teams don't proclaim themselves champs after winning game 1 of the NBA finals

The World Series does not go to the game 1 winner

We have systems in place in all sports to determine the championship....schools signed on to it...including USC...and the Sugar Bowl decides it this year period

Better luck next year to USC

 

[gecko]

Gecko, those 2 polls mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING as far as who is National Champion.

That's fair enough. You're right, the Sugar Bowl winner will be the BCS National Champion. All I said in my earlier post is that the sportswriters and coaches agree NOW that the University of Southern California Trojans are the #1 football team in the country. NOT Oklahoma, NOT LSU. Like you said, the system is flawed (given that the coaches are "contractually obligated" to vote the Sugar Bowl winner the #1 team).

 

[Lemons]

The BCS stands for BULLSHITE....

If anyone thinks that the winner between Okl and LSU should be the champion then you should stop smoking Crack.

How the Hell can you say the BCS is fair. The number ONE team in the Country USC thats right USC isn't even playing in the Fuking game. It's all Fuking Horse $hit....

USC should be playing in that game and if you think there wont be a split poll, I say again put down that Crack pipe....

The coaches shold vote a split poll just to shove it up the BCS ass...

So stop the crying you know as well as I do USC is #1 and this is the year they will put a BIG * next to the BCS champion because they didn't deserve the title......

 

[gecko]

It's the media champion, not the BCS champion.....Let's get a friggin playoff!

I agree that only with a playoff will a situation like this be avoided. The system is in place, but it's flawed. I mean, in figure skating the winner is determined based on points, even if it's a .01 difference. O.J. is formally "innocent" of murder whether you like it or not. Does that mean the system's fair? Of course not, but it's hot talk around the water cooler.

BTW the coaches will vote the Sugar Bowl winner #1 according to BCS guidelines. However, the #1 team according to those same coaches is CURRENTLY USC!!! In other words, those same coaches will be coerced to vote the BCS champ #1, not according to their own individual judgment. Why even have the coaches vote for the national champion if it's forced upon them? :shrug:

 

[gecko]

Re: Can somebody explain...

[BBottom line is USC should end number 3 in the nation, Michigan No. 4 and the winnner of Sugar Bowl No. 1, period. Until we get a real playoff system. [/B]

Okay, I'll go back to the first post in this thread.

The BCS was designed to ultimately determine who would play in the National Championship game, based on who finishes #1 and #2 in the final BCS ranking at the end of the regular season. THAT'S IT!

It doesn't determine who is #2, 3 or 4 at the end of the year. Why? Because there won't be a new BCS ranking when the bowls are done. That's a job for the polls.

So USC will NOT finish #3. In the final polls (AP & Coaches), USC will finish no lower than #2. Michigan will surely drop, having lost to USC, and the loser of the Sugar Bowl will likely end up #3, maybe even #4.

Syracuse didn't win its championship because they were voted #1 in the AP poll last year.

In fact, the Orangemen WERE voted the #1 team according to the AP by virtue of winning NCAA Div. I TOURNAMENT (not just the title game). One game did not decide the championship, it was a playoff system with a field of 65 entrants. Syracuse just happened to be the last team standing, deserving of being called champs because they survived the Big Dance.

The final irony is this...a poll (the Coaches' poll) is tied in with the BCS because the BCS needs the poll to validate itself, to show who is #1.

And in that final coaches' poll, the coaches will be (some say unfairly) obligated to vote the BCS title game winner as the #1 team, not necessarily because they felt the winner of a title game "deserved" it. At least most felt that the Syracuse Orangemen earned the #1 ranking.

 

[Scott4USC]

The Tigers and Sooners are playing in the BCS, let me restate, BCS championship game, which is nothing more than a contract generated by ABC to make money.

If you notice, the networks STOPPED saying "the National Championship game," they're saying, "The BCS championship."

USC today did not play in the "contract bowl" but rather the Championship game that is recognized by most of the public as well as the longest running, most prestigious college football poll in the country (AP Poll).

Nobody can dispute that.

I also agree with the_fix_is_on's post.

FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Nickelback]

Its funny. . . the National Champion in college football is such a mythical and often unsubstantiated award unlike college basketball. If USC wants to call themselves National Champions, they can given the fact they won the AP championship. Likewise for OU or LSU with the coaches championship. But neither will be able to claim it on their own.

Its still the same as it has been in the past: you must win both polls to claim the NC or else it is shared. Those of you who are claiming that USC cannot proclaim themselves national champions are missing the point of concurrence between both polls in order for one team to say they are the ONLY national champ. Basically, the system is still flawed because it is possible to have split national champs as we will have this year.

The only step to take is a playoff system but who knows if those who are in charge of making this decision are ready to realize it.

 

[Cie]

Before the season began there was no doubt how the Nat'l Champion would be decided. I am still trying to figure out why there is a question about it today.

USC a good looking squad, no doubt about that. OU did not win its Conference. The system is obviously flawed. Either way, a deal is a deal. We may(should) have a revamped system next year in which the highest rated Conference Champs in the BCS go to the Orange Bowl. Until then, the winner of OU and LSU is the National Champion. Let me say it again---- A deal is a deal.

I wish that USC would have been invited to New Orleans this Sunday more than most, but they weren't. Better luck next season.

GL:weed:

 

[Scott4USC]

Cie Grant

The AP always has decided a NC. Since the BCS taken over, there always was a TRUE NC so the AP voted along with the BCS. This year, the BCS did not get the 2 best team in the country, and the AP has USC #1. SO for the first time since the BCS started, the AP is "not" voting with the BCS. Nothing has changed and no rules have been broken. It is very easy to understand. Anybody proclaiming the winner of the SUGAR BOWL is the True Champion is not educated about how the system works. This year their will be a SPLIT NC, just like their were split NC before the BCS. Lastly, would you want to be a COMPUTER CHAMPION or an AP CHAMPION (voted by HUMANS!)


Best quote by an announcer

5 minutes in to the 2nd half on ABC TV. "The Oklahoma Sooners and LSU Tigers have one thing to be thankful for this New Years Day. That neither has to play USC because neither is even in the same hemisphere as the Trojans who are dominating arguably one of the top 3 teams in the nation!"