Can we stop with the conf. strenghts?

[gjn23]

The top 16 teams in the country should be in the sweet 16 regardless of their conference.

I thought that Pitt/Uconn/Syr were 3 of the 16 best and they moved on. ND was a surprise. Does this make the Big East strong? No because I thought the other 8 teams stunk.

The Pac-10 should have 1 team in the sweet 16, Arizona. They are in, the rest lost with poor draws and those 4 were impressive in that they all won their 1st round game. Does this make the conference weak? No they were average/weak to begin with. I thought no one other than Arizona was sweet 16 material.

Will the Big ten be considered weak if nobody gets to the sweet 16? No they were weak to begin with. Only Illinios had a sweet 16 caliber team and they got beat by ND who was borderline.

Will the ACC be considered strong if Duke/MD/Wake all get to the sweet 16? No they are actually a weak conference because the other teams were very mediocre.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that good teams are good teams regardless of conferences. I think this year we are seeing the truest form of that and we will probably have 13 of the best teams in the countyr in the Sweet 16.

 

[redking]

Have to respectfully disagree here...

Conference power is a considerable factor esp. in capping...

Look at the A10...Xavier trailing Maryland as we speak. Too much of a factor to dismiss. :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

 

[JEFF]

Disagree completely. The Big East teams are 8-0 so far!! If that doesn't say that the Big East is stronger than most of these other conferences...and if the ACC puts 3 in the sweet 16 and possibly a few in the elite 8 and one or two in the FF, that does tell you the ACC is strong. It is not as strong as usual top to bottom as we all know, though.

How these teams perform right now is very much a product of the competition they ran trhough during the season. Fact is, the A10 and Pac 10 are not very good this year and its showing.

 

[Innavation]

i have been saying it all tournament--that the big east is underated----St.Johns---Bc---these teams started out the year slow--but at the end really gelled-- I watched all the conference championships and the Big East was the most entertaining. They had many teams that were playing good basketball. Seton Hall, St.Johns, Boston College, Providence---Pitt, G.town, Syracuse. All these teams have guys that can score and rebound. Pitt is solid--I think they get to the final four---Uconn---could win this tournament as well.

 

[RAZ]

You have to take conferences into consideration for/capping so far it has proven better true than not, weak conferences are getting bounced/not covering against the tougher at a higher rate
than not.

 

[Morris]

Wow 4 Big East teams still in. They way they beat each other up in conf play was really deceiving. I never realized they were as strong as they are showing now.

Bob

 

[gjn23]

my point is: is the better conference winning or the better teams?

Does Pitt/Uconn/Syr/ND going 8-0 make the Big East a strong conference?

I'd say NO since they were favored in 7 of the 8 games and won, only exception being ND over Ill. I still argue that with the draw Uconn/Pit/Syr SHOULD be where they are at. Does this record make the conf. strong or those teams strong? I'd say those teams are strong because the other 8 in the Big East were terrible. BC/Hall/StJ they finally beat up on the other really weak teams in the conference toward the end of the season.

To make a conference STRONG the lower seeded teams need to beat higher seeded teams from other conferences. Auburn beating Wake makes the SEC a bit stronger than thought and the ACC possible a bit weaker.

 

[TORONTO-VIGILANTE]

Auburn beating Wake makes the SEC a bit stronger than thought and the ACC possible a bit weaker.

i disagree.

one game does NOT make an entire conference stronger than the other....

and it's a moot point really.

teams have their good days and teams have their bad days.

we're living in the NOW.

whomever is HOT now, gets the props.

doesn't mean they'll do it consistently over the regular season.

 

[Caesar]

ACC Really Sucks

ACC Really Sucks

Oh Yeah, Kansas vs. Duke... Play of a LIFETIME - Kansas wins by 15 against a bunch of over-rated Coach K kids.
Cannot wait until Sweet 16 to collect some sweet cash.

 

[bear]

It matters to me.........

It matters to me.........

If the perception that the BE is not strong.....IT affects the teams RPI......their strength of schedule rating, and their national ranking.
If a person has a better feel for the conference........he/she can see bargains out there.
B.East is tough and frequently ugly..... Lotta chess matches in their games.
Lotta upsets.....etc.

Connecticut was UNRANKED in the last weeks of the season!
yet came in as a 5 seed........and BYU had a lotta support as a 5 point pup.........then CT is favored by3 over a much higher ranked
Stanford who came in as a 4.........
MUCH help to know your conferences.

GL
bear

 

[gjn23]

Sure knowing the confs is important but knowing which teams are good and which are frauds is even more important come tourney time.

I hate the Big East

I think the Big East sucks

I think Uconn/Pit/Cuse were 3 of the 16 best teams as the end of the season start of the tourney. Them winning 2 games each in the toueny does not make the Big East a strong conference.

 

[Hoops]

Looks like a bunch of teams who were supposed to win their games or were favored, have not. Have to give credit where credit is due, the Big East have gone out and won two games a piece...not that easy to do regardless if you are supposed to win or not.

 

[michaeljbird]

Look Guy's, throw out the RPI's and seed's and whether or not someone is in the top 20 or not.The best way to tell who is a power team or from a power conference is look at the pointspeads.I'll take their opionion over anyone's,anytime.

 

[gjn23]

EXACTLY!

Which makes my point since the Big East has been favored in 7 of their 8 games. Give credit where credit is due, they won, but they were favored to do so.

All I'm saying is please stop blowing smoke up the Big Easts ass as a conference . Do these wins make GTown a better team? NO does a deep run by Arizona make Wazzu a better team? NO).

Personally I thought that those 3 teams (pit/uconn/syr) were excellent and all had a GREAT shot at the round of 8 and possibly the final 4 (actually did pick Syracuse with their draw).

 

[ZMAN]

let's take a look at the pac 10. oregon loses to a weak utah team, ariz st loses by 32, stanford waxed by uconn, cal drilled by ou, ariz. lucky to survive a 9 seed. gotta play defense to move on in the ncaa tourney. pac 10 sux.

 

[hoya]

the thread is a joke. clearly you have some personal hatred of the big east....maybe because they are a very good conference year in and year out and you are jealous? i dont know, but if you think all the other teams in the big east are 'terrible' you clearly dont know shit and havent watched many if any of the conference games. anybody can beat anybody in this conference every year.

 

[JEFF]

ZMAN you couldnt be more correct. The Pac 10 blows, and we've learned that from watching them fade out in this tourney.

gjn23-How can you say the Big East sucks? No offense, but you have to be blind not to see that a conference going 8-0 in the first two rounds speaks volumes about that conferences quality.


If the Big East sucks then the A10 and Pac 10 are intramural ball.

Another thing: Boston College should have made the tourney over Bama. It was obvious then and its 10 times as obvious now.

 

[gjn23]

west virginia-georgetown-providence-seton hall-miami-st johns-rutgers-virginia tech......those were all brilliant teams. The quality of play amongst those teams was unwatchable. Sure BC, Seton Hall and St Johns had nice runs...for about 2-3 weeks other than that their seasons were horrible.

Look, the teams that are in the sweet 16 (with the exception of ND) are among the best 16 in the country...they were prior to the tourney and have proved it. This does not make the conference as a whole "Great" or "better than we thought" if anything the national media under-recognized those THREE teams as being among the nations best. Those teams went 36-9 in the Big East and probably accounted for 4 of the 9 losses by playing each other.

The Pac-10 was down this year. The fact that we went 4-1 in Round 1 was amazing, the fact that 1 team is left is what was expected. If Arizona makes the Final 4 or wins it all; does that make the Pac-10 stronger than everyone thought ???? NO.

 

[JEFF]

I'm not sure exactly what your point is here. If it's simply that the best 16 teams made it to the sweet 16, fine, the Big East has more top 16 teams than any other conference, right?


Just stop trying to rationalize things and face the reality that the Big East is 3x as good as the PAC 10...it'll be OK man. Hell, Oregon won the conference tourney and lost to a lame Utah squad. That finesse ball only goes so far.

 

[Valuist]

The Big East is light years better than the Pac 10. Just like in football, those West Coasters can't play any defense. And by the way, wasn't that a # 4 seed from the Pac 10 that lost to UConn?? I'd love to see a Pitt/Arizona final four matchup. Zona will finally see what a real defense looks like.