i hear you bro. You think politics are bad you need to take a look a t sports. Its even more corrupt. Im not sure where you ear is on this (sports) but id love to hear it sometime. i have seen so many strange things in sports to recognize something is very wrong here. Its a billion dollar industry and when you have a billion dollar industry there is always corruption in some way. Im still trying to see when the higher ups produce a law to screw the porn industry. That is a lot of money they can't seem to get their hands on.
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i hear you bro. You think politics are bad you need to take a look a t sports. Its even more corrupt. Im not sure where you ear is on this (sports) but id love to hear it sometime. i have seen so many strange things in sports to recognize something is very wrong here. Its a billion dollar industry and when you have a billion dollar industry there is always corruption in some way. Im still trying to see when the higher ups produce a law to screw the porn industry. That is a lot of money they can't seem to get their hands on.
Maverick and Sponge,
I've always found this sort of talk pretty interesting. I was wondering if either of you were familiar with the CFR and their sister org..the Royal Institue on International Affairs in Britain?
Maverick you're absolutely dead on about ol man Bush and Clinton being pretty "tight".
Heck they're both CFR men as well as tri-lats. Even Powell is a CFR boy. One man I've found well worth reading about is PETE PETERSON the old Chairman of the CFR and Federal Reserve Bank Chairman of NY. Peterson is also founder of the BLACKSTONE GROUP as well as a close "associate" of both GREENSPAN and VOLKER. Now this guy is a REAL shaker , mover, and shotcaller behind the scenes...regardless of which puppet party is in power.
I've always found this sort of talk pretty interesting. I was wondering if either of you were familiar with the CFR and their sister org..the Royal Institue on International Affairs in Britain?
Maverick you're absolutely dead on about ol man Bush and Clinton being pretty "tight".
Heck they're both CFR men as well as tri-lats. Even Powell is a CFR boy. One man I've found well worth reading about is PETE PETERSON the old Chairman of the CFR and Federal Reserve Bank Chairman of NY. Peterson is also founder of the BLACKSTONE GROUP as well as a close "associate" of both GREENSPAN and VOLKER. Now this guy is a REAL shaker , mover, and shotcaller behind the scenes...regardless of which puppet party is in power.
Very familiar with both..........anyone debating politics would do themselves a big favor and read up and see who is a member of both these groups.........it gives a good idea on where our policy is coming from...........of course the average american Joe watching their Fox and CNN would think CFR was some kind of video component while arguing such nonsense as liberals vs conservatives.................
Oh, what a very good post indeed. :toast:
...but, as you say, apparently this is too hard for some people...or maybe not so hard, but they feel more comfortable not knowing the facts (I have no recollection! LOL!!), and simply calling out anyone who disagrees "traitors" or some other such rubbish.
fwiw, I've got a very good doco on Waco on tape...utterly amazing how many lies were told there...
...lies shown to be lies by REAL evidence...
...but again, most (literally most...as in 90% I guess) will never know, will not ever want to know and so simply believe what they are fed.
Sad really...I mean literally, quite sad.
Looks like you have Wayne in a box on this one, smurph. Strangely quiet on the Barking front.
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Hadn't been back to this thread till I saw your posting Chad. I stand by my initial post--but did answer in another thread I believe.-
but in addition simple logic would tell me--
A: no doubt UBL was responsible attack on trade towers
B: UBL hates Saudi gov and visa versa
C: per above doubtful Saudi gov was responsible
---in fact Saudi has almost been as effective fighting terrorist as liberals have in aiding and abetting them--and no humor intended.
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From Middle East Times 11-06
http://www.metimes.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20061109-112649-8783r
Since May 2003 Saudi security officials have captured 845 individuals with direct or indirect links to Al Qaeda. Over 400 have attended "ideological re-education programs." Some 264 Al Qaeda commanders, logisticians, theologians, financiers, and fighters have been captured or killed. Of the original 26 members that comprised the first "most wanted" list, all but one have been killed or captured and all five initial Al Qaeda cells have been identified, infiltrated and decimated.
Of 36 second-tier operatives comprising the second "most wanted" list, 20 had already fled the kingdom when the list was published. Of the remaining 16, only four have not been killed or captured. Saudi intelligence believes that it was this group that carried out a recent failed attack on the oil processing facility at Abqaiq.
Saudi security forces have been able to foil over 25 major terrorist attacks since May 2003. The kingdom's security services have identified four of the main routes used by terrorists to smuggle themselves, fighters, weapons, and drugs in and out of the country. Painstaking police work and close surveillance has resulted in hundreds of interceptions along the Saudi-Yemeni border.
---and what say you Smurph--and fellow liberal lemmings??????
P.S. Feel free to put up list of terrorist captured or killed in our last administration.You can name them indivdually and won't take up but a couple of lines--
Opinion>Pelosi "We are just as tough on terror"
Fact> Terrorist and terrorist countries still dancing in street over election.
but in addition simple logic would tell me--
A: no doubt UBL was responsible attack on trade towers
B: UBL hates Saudi gov and visa versa
C: per above doubtful Saudi gov was responsible
---in fact Saudi has almost been as effective fighting terrorist as liberals have in aiding and abetting them--and no humor intended.
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From Middle East Times 11-06
http://www.metimes.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20061109-112649-8783r
Since May 2003 Saudi security officials have captured 845 individuals with direct or indirect links to Al Qaeda. Over 400 have attended "ideological re-education programs." Some 264 Al Qaeda commanders, logisticians, theologians, financiers, and fighters have been captured or killed. Of the original 26 members that comprised the first "most wanted" list, all but one have been killed or captured and all five initial Al Qaeda cells have been identified, infiltrated and decimated.
Of 36 second-tier operatives comprising the second "most wanted" list, 20 had already fled the kingdom when the list was published. Of the remaining 16, only four have not been killed or captured. Saudi intelligence believes that it was this group that carried out a recent failed attack on the oil processing facility at Abqaiq.
Saudi security forces have been able to foil over 25 major terrorist attacks since May 2003. The kingdom's security services have identified four of the main routes used by terrorists to smuggle themselves, fighters, weapons, and drugs in and out of the country. Painstaking police work and close surveillance has resulted in hundreds of interceptions along the Saudi-Yemeni border.
---and what say you Smurph--and fellow liberal lemmings??????
P.S. Feel free to put up list of terrorist captured or killed in our last administration.You can name them indivdually and won't take up but a couple of lines--
Opinion>Pelosi "We are just as tough on terror"
Fact> Terrorist and terrorist countries still dancing in street over election.
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Ok, Smurph, Waynes got you in a box now.
I only fight my battles, and throw stones at others on football Sundays...
I only fight my battles, and throw stones at others on football Sundays...
Are you really serious trying to say some info from a newspaper reporter (the middle east times) we are suppose to believe a credible or even accurate???
I am not debating whether the info is true, accurate or whatever but do you really believe something you read like that which could be just some propanganda promoting an agenda???
Oh, what a very good post indeed. :toast:
...but, as you say, apparently this is too hard for some people...or maybe not so hard, but they feel more comfortable not knowing the facts (I have no recollection! LOL!!), and simply calling out anyone who disagrees "traitors" or some other such rubbish.
fwiw, I've got a very good doco on Waco on tape...utterly amazing how many lies were told there...
...lies shown to be lies by REAL evidence...
...but again, most (literally most...as in 90% I guess) will never know, will not ever want to know and so simply believe what they are fed.
Sad really...I mean literally, quite sad.
I did google video.........Waco,Rules of Engagement...........watching this video really opened my eyes ........even implicating the Clinton WH, Janet Reno etc.etc.........
Google search J.D. Cash........and read his invistigation on the Oklahoma City Bombing and you will also find information that you will hardly be able to believe........but not just any info........facts that are not even argued by government entities...... just kept hush..hush........
I guess when you realize the FACT......"Government agencies were guilty of shooting men,women and children running out of a burning building" ..........
Anyone can watch the Waco, ROE if they dont believe it.......
Whats weird is that that happened over 10 yrs ago and I had no clue about the real story and if someone would have told me this I probably would not have believed them.........what I remember watching on tv was not the whole story.....
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Mav-- how about names -dates -dispositions ect
Saudi Arabia's Most Wanted Scorecard
Name Function Status Location
Abdul Aziz Isa Abdul Mohsen Al-Muqrin One of AQ's top commanders in SA. Involved in the Paul Johnson beheading and numerous attacks in the kingdom. Dead (June 2004) Hell
Rakan Mohsen Muhammad Al-Saikhan Involved in attacks on the USS Cole and the French tanker Limburg Dead (April 2004) Hell
Khaled Ali ibn Ali Haj Chief of Al-Qaida operations in the Gulf Dead (April 2004) Hell
Abdul Kareem Al-Tahami Al-Majati Internationally well connected, involved in Madrid & Casablanca bombings Dead (April 2005) Hell
Saleh Muhammad Awadallah Al-Alawi Al-Aufi Al-Muqrin's successor - Connected to terror cells in Germany - Policeman turned terrorist. Dead (August 2005) Hell
Ibrahim Muhammad Abdullah Al-Rayyes No info available Dead (Dec 2004) Hell
Saud Hamoud Obaid Al-Qutaini Al-Otaibi New head of AQ in Saudi, trained at OBL's camps in Afghanistan in the 90's Dead (April 2005) Hell
Ahmed Abdul Rahman Saqer Al-Fadhli Extremist Saudi policeman, possibly fought in Iraq Dead (April 2004) Hell
Sultan Bajad Saadoun Al-Otaibi Al-Qaeda Ideologue Dead (Dec 2004) Hell
Abdullah Saud Abu Nayyan Al-Subaie No info available Dead (Jan 2005) Hell
Faisal Abdul Rahman Abdullah Al-Dakheel Muqrin's top deputy Dead (June 2004) Hell
Faris Ahmed Jamaan Al-Shuwail Al-Zahrani Extremist cleric Apprehended (Aug 2004) In Custody
Khaled Mubarak Habibullah Al-Qurashi Former Saudi Navy sailor joined extremist groups Dead (April 2004) Hell
Mansour Muhammad Ahmed Faqeeh No info available Apprehended (Dec 2004) In Custody
Isa Saad Muhammad ibn Aushen Extremist cleric Dead (June 2004) Hell
Taleb Saud Abdullah Al-Taleb No info available At Large Unknown
Mustafa Ibrahim Muhammad Mubaraki Extremist cleric Dead (April 2004) Hell
Abdul Majeed Muhammad Abdullah Al-Munie Extremist cleric Dead (Oct 2004) Hell
Nasser Rashid Nasser Al-Rashed No info available Dead (April 2004) Hell
Bandar Abdul Rahman Abdullah Al-Dakheel No info available Dead (Dec 2004) Hell
Othman Hadi Al-Maqbool Al-Amri Prominent member of the "Awakening Sheikhs" who resist Saudi reforms. Apprehended (June 2004) In Custody
Talal Anbar Ahmed Anbari No info available Dead (April 2004) Hell
Aamir Mohsen Mureef Al-Zaidan Al-Shahri Extremist cleric Dead (Dec 2004) Hell
Abdullah Muhammad Rashid Al-Rashoud Extremist cleric At Large - Previously reported dead. Unknown
Abdul Rahman Muhammad Muhammad Yazji Spokesman Dead (April 2005) Hell
Hussein Muhammad Al-Haski No info available Apprehended (Aug 2004) In Custody-Belgium
and their new scorecard they referred to-
Dead = 16 Apprehended = 4 At Large = 16
Name Age, Nationality, Info Status Location
Younus Mohamed Al-Hiyari 36, Moroccan. He entered the country in 1991 to perform Haj and has gone underground. Dead Killed by Police in Riyadh
Fahd Farraj Al-Juwair 35, Saudi. Dead Killed in oil refinery attack
Zaid Saad Al-Samary 31, Saudi Dead His last residence was in Al-Kharj
Abdul Rahman Saleh Al-Miteb 26, Saudi Dead Killed by police in Qassim Saudi Arabia
Saleh Mansour Al-Harbi. 22, Saudi Dead Lived in Buraidah in the Qasim region
Sultan Saleh Al-Hasry 26, Saudi Dead He used to live in Madinah
Mohamed Abdul Rahman Al-Suwailemi 23, Saudi, has good computer skills. He is also good in using the Internet. Dead Killed by police in Qassim Saudi Arabia
Mohamed Saleh Al-Ghaith 23, Saudi At Large He used to live in Riyadh.
Abdullah Abdul Aziz Al-Tuwaijeri 21, Saudi At Large He used to live in Buraidah
Mohamed Saeed Al-Amry 25, Saudi Apprehended In custody-Saudi Arabia
Ibrahim Abdullah Al-Motair 21, Saudi Dead Killed in oil refinery attack
Walid Mutlaq Al-Radadi 21, Saudi At Large He used to live in Madinah and was last seen in Al-Kharj
Naif Farhan Al-Shammary 24, Saudi Dead He used to live in Hafr Al-Baten
Majed Hamid Al-Hasry 29, Saudi Dead He used to live in Riyadh
Abdullah Muhaya Al-Shammary 24, Saudi Dead Killed in oil refinery attack
Noor Mohamed Moussa 21, Chadian Dead Killed in Iraq
Manour Mohamed Yousef 24, Chadian Dead Killed in Iraq
Othman Mohamed Kourani aka Hassan 23, Chadian Dead Killed in Iraq
Mohsen Ayed Al-Fadhli 25, Kuwaiti At Large Outside of Saudi Arabia
Abdullah Walad Mohamed Sayyed 37, Mauritanian At Large Outside of Saudi Arabia
Zaid Hassan Humaid 34, Yemeni At Large Outside of Saudi Arabia
Fahd Saleh Al-Mahyani 24, Saudi At Large Outside of Saudi Arabia
Adnan Abdullah Al-Sharief 28, Saudi At Large Outside of Saudi Arabia
Marzouq Faisal Al-Otaibi 32, Saudi At Large Outside of Saudi Arabia
Adel Abdullateef Al-Sanie 27, Saudi At Large Outside of Saudi Arabia
Mohamed Abdul Rahman Al-Dhait 21, Saudi At Large Outside of Saudi Arabia
Sultan Sunaitan Al-Dhait 24, Saudi At Large Outside of Saudi Arabia
Saleh Saeed Al-Ghamdi 40, Saudi At Large Outside of Saudi Arabia
Faiz Ibrahim Ayub 30, Saudi Apprehended Surrendered to Saudi Authorities
Khaled Mohamed Al-Harbi 29, Saudi At Large Outside of Saudi Arabia
Mohamed Othman Al-Zahrani 44, Saudi At Large Outside of Saudi Arabia
Abdullah Mohamed Al-Rumayan 27, Saudi Apprehended Outside of Saudi Arabia
Mohamed Saleh Al-Rashoudi 24, Saudi Apprehended Outside of Saudi Arabia
Saad Mohamed Al-Shahry 31, Saudi At Large Outside of Saudi Arabia
Ali Matir Al-Osaimy 23, Saudi Dead Killed in Iraq
Faris Abdullah Al-Dhahiry Al-Harbi 22, Saudi Dead Killed in Iraq
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--will that suffice?
Saudi Arabia's Most Wanted Scorecard
Name Function Status Location
Abdul Aziz Isa Abdul Mohsen Al-Muqrin One of AQ's top commanders in SA. Involved in the Paul Johnson beheading and numerous attacks in the kingdom. Dead (June 2004) Hell
Rakan Mohsen Muhammad Al-Saikhan Involved in attacks on the USS Cole and the French tanker Limburg Dead (April 2004) Hell
Khaled Ali ibn Ali Haj Chief of Al-Qaida operations in the Gulf Dead (April 2004) Hell
Abdul Kareem Al-Tahami Al-Majati Internationally well connected, involved in Madrid & Casablanca bombings Dead (April 2005) Hell
Saleh Muhammad Awadallah Al-Alawi Al-Aufi Al-Muqrin's successor - Connected to terror cells in Germany - Policeman turned terrorist. Dead (August 2005) Hell
Ibrahim Muhammad Abdullah Al-Rayyes No info available Dead (Dec 2004) Hell
Saud Hamoud Obaid Al-Qutaini Al-Otaibi New head of AQ in Saudi, trained at OBL's camps in Afghanistan in the 90's Dead (April 2005) Hell
Ahmed Abdul Rahman Saqer Al-Fadhli Extremist Saudi policeman, possibly fought in Iraq Dead (April 2004) Hell
Sultan Bajad Saadoun Al-Otaibi Al-Qaeda Ideologue Dead (Dec 2004) Hell
Abdullah Saud Abu Nayyan Al-Subaie No info available Dead (Jan 2005) Hell
Faisal Abdul Rahman Abdullah Al-Dakheel Muqrin's top deputy Dead (June 2004) Hell
Faris Ahmed Jamaan Al-Shuwail Al-Zahrani Extremist cleric Apprehended (Aug 2004) In Custody
Khaled Mubarak Habibullah Al-Qurashi Former Saudi Navy sailor joined extremist groups Dead (April 2004) Hell
Mansour Muhammad Ahmed Faqeeh No info available Apprehended (Dec 2004) In Custody
Isa Saad Muhammad ibn Aushen Extremist cleric Dead (June 2004) Hell
Taleb Saud Abdullah Al-Taleb No info available At Large Unknown
Mustafa Ibrahim Muhammad Mubaraki Extremist cleric Dead (April 2004) Hell
Abdul Majeed Muhammad Abdullah Al-Munie Extremist cleric Dead (Oct 2004) Hell
Nasser Rashid Nasser Al-Rashed No info available Dead (April 2004) Hell
Bandar Abdul Rahman Abdullah Al-Dakheel No info available Dead (Dec 2004) Hell
Othman Hadi Al-Maqbool Al-Amri Prominent member of the "Awakening Sheikhs" who resist Saudi reforms. Apprehended (June 2004) In Custody
Talal Anbar Ahmed Anbari No info available Dead (April 2004) Hell
Aamir Mohsen Mureef Al-Zaidan Al-Shahri Extremist cleric Dead (Dec 2004) Hell
Abdullah Muhammad Rashid Al-Rashoud Extremist cleric At Large - Previously reported dead. Unknown
Abdul Rahman Muhammad Muhammad Yazji Spokesman Dead (April 2005) Hell
Hussein Muhammad Al-Haski No info available Apprehended (Aug 2004) In Custody-Belgium
and their new scorecard they referred to-
Dead = 16 Apprehended = 4 At Large = 16
Name Age, Nationality, Info Status Location
Younus Mohamed Al-Hiyari 36, Moroccan. He entered the country in 1991 to perform Haj and has gone underground. Dead Killed by Police in Riyadh
Fahd Farraj Al-Juwair 35, Saudi. Dead Killed in oil refinery attack
Zaid Saad Al-Samary 31, Saudi Dead His last residence was in Al-Kharj
Abdul Rahman Saleh Al-Miteb 26, Saudi Dead Killed by police in Qassim Saudi Arabia
Saleh Mansour Al-Harbi. 22, Saudi Dead Lived in Buraidah in the Qasim region
Sultan Saleh Al-Hasry 26, Saudi Dead He used to live in Madinah
Mohamed Abdul Rahman Al-Suwailemi 23, Saudi, has good computer skills. He is also good in using the Internet. Dead Killed by police in Qassim Saudi Arabia
Mohamed Saleh Al-Ghaith 23, Saudi At Large He used to live in Riyadh.
Abdullah Abdul Aziz Al-Tuwaijeri 21, Saudi At Large He used to live in Buraidah
Mohamed Saeed Al-Amry 25, Saudi Apprehended In custody-Saudi Arabia
Ibrahim Abdullah Al-Motair 21, Saudi Dead Killed in oil refinery attack
Walid Mutlaq Al-Radadi 21, Saudi At Large He used to live in Madinah and was last seen in Al-Kharj
Naif Farhan Al-Shammary 24, Saudi Dead He used to live in Hafr Al-Baten
Majed Hamid Al-Hasry 29, Saudi Dead He used to live in Riyadh
Abdullah Muhaya Al-Shammary 24, Saudi Dead Killed in oil refinery attack
Noor Mohamed Moussa 21, Chadian Dead Killed in Iraq
Manour Mohamed Yousef 24, Chadian Dead Killed in Iraq
Othman Mohamed Kourani aka Hassan 23, Chadian Dead Killed in Iraq
Mohsen Ayed Al-Fadhli 25, Kuwaiti At Large Outside of Saudi Arabia
Abdullah Walad Mohamed Sayyed 37, Mauritanian At Large Outside of Saudi Arabia
Zaid Hassan Humaid 34, Yemeni At Large Outside of Saudi Arabia
Fahd Saleh Al-Mahyani 24, Saudi At Large Outside of Saudi Arabia
Adnan Abdullah Al-Sharief 28, Saudi At Large Outside of Saudi Arabia
Marzouq Faisal Al-Otaibi 32, Saudi At Large Outside of Saudi Arabia
Adel Abdullateef Al-Sanie 27, Saudi At Large Outside of Saudi Arabia
Mohamed Abdul Rahman Al-Dhait 21, Saudi At Large Outside of Saudi Arabia
Sultan Sunaitan Al-Dhait 24, Saudi At Large Outside of Saudi Arabia
Saleh Saeed Al-Ghamdi 40, Saudi At Large Outside of Saudi Arabia
Faiz Ibrahim Ayub 30, Saudi Apprehended Surrendered to Saudi Authorities
Khaled Mohamed Al-Harbi 29, Saudi At Large Outside of Saudi Arabia
Mohamed Othman Al-Zahrani 44, Saudi At Large Outside of Saudi Arabia
Abdullah Mohamed Al-Rumayan 27, Saudi Apprehended Outside of Saudi Arabia
Mohamed Saleh Al-Rashoudi 24, Saudi Apprehended Outside of Saudi Arabia
Saad Mohamed Al-Shahry 31, Saudi At Large Outside of Saudi Arabia
Ali Matir Al-Osaimy 23, Saudi Dead Killed in Iraq
Faris Abdullah Al-Dhahiry Al-Harbi 22, Saudi Dead Killed in Iraq
++++++++++++++++++++++++++
--will that suffice?
Do any of these guys ever show up anywhere to faces theses charges or accusations or do they all just sooner or later show up DEAD..........
Wonder if we will ever get to hear from the 4 who are in custody and what exact crimes they are charged with..........
