case for iraq war stronger than ever

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i just read this article on newsmax.com & eventhough it is from a site that leans to the right, if it's true then this is very disturbing. it shouldn't just be dismissed.

Chief weapons of mass destruction hunter David Kay's pronouncement over the weekend that he doesn't think the U.S. will ever find Iraq's WMD stockpiles has all but demolished the Bush administration's central justification for the Iraq war.

But as the WMD case grew increasingly weaker over the last year, the case for war against Saddam Hussein actually became more and more compelling - based on the growing dossier of evidence linking the Iraqi dictator to the 9/11 attacks.

Though the Bush administration has strenuously looked the other way on one blockbuster development after another, the 9/11 file on Baghdad has grown to include:


A memo from Iraqi intelligence uncovered by the London Sunday Telegraph last month stating that lead 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta had completed his training regimen in Baghdad under the tutelage of notorious Palestinian terrorist Abu Nidal. The memo was dated just two months before the World Trade Center attacks.
In one passage, the Iraqi intelligence chief reportedly informs Saddam that Atta had demonstrated his capability as leader of the team "responsible for attacking the targets that we have agreed to destroy."


A Defense Department memo detailing over 50 contacts between senior officials in Iraq and Osama bin Laden's minions going back to the 1980s. According to a November 2003 report in the Weekly Standard, the memo cites evidence that Ahmed al Ani, the Iraqi intelligence chief in Czechoslovakia, "ordered the [Iraqi Intelligence Service] finance officer to issue [Mohamed] Atta funds from IIS financial holdings in the Prague office."

A Wall Street Journal report linking Flight 93 hijacker Ziad Jarrah to Abu Nidal, who had reportedly helped train his 9/11 partner Mohamed Atta. "A constant figure in Jarrah's life in Germany was his great-uncle, Assem Omar Jarrah," the Journal said. "According to the German magazine, Der Spiegel, Assem Jarrah worked for a long time as an informer for the Stasi, the East German secret service, while maintaining connections to [Abu] Nidal's terror group."
Eleven months after the 9/11 attacks, Nidal was executed in Baghdad by Saddam's secret police in what many believe was an attempted cover-up of Iraq's 9/11 complicity.


A Nov. 11, 2001, report in the London Observer citing the accounts of two Iraqi defectors who say they helped train radical Islamists to overcome U.S. flight crews using only small knives - a technique never used before 9/11 - at Iraq's Salman Pak terrorist training facility.
Sabah Khodada, one of the defectors, told PBS's "Frontline" that he believed the 9/11 attacks had been executed "by graduates of Salman Pak."

While the defectors' accounts were widely reported at the time, the media later dropped the story as the Bush administration built its WMD case against Iraq.


U.S. satellite photos confirming the existence of a Boeing 707 fuselage that Khodada and his partner say was used as a hijacking classroom. U.N. weapons inspector Charles Duelfer, who was tapped on Friday to succeed David Kay, corroborated their account.
"We reported [the Salman Pak hijacking drills] at the time, but they've obviously taken on new significance" after the 9/11 attacks, Duelfer told USA Today at the time.


A May 7, 2003, decision by Manhattan U.S. District Judge Harold Baer, who awarded $104 million to two families of 9/11 victims based on the testimony of Khodada, Duelfer and former CIA Director James Woolsey, as well as other evidence presented to his court.
In his opinion Judge Baer wrote that the case was "sufficient to meet plaintiffs' burden that Iraq collaborated in or supported bin Laden/al Qaeda's terrorist acts of September 11."


The account of former CIA Director Woolsey, whose testimony was summarized by Judge Baer thusly:
"Director Woolsey described the existence of a highly secure military facility in Iraq where non-Iraqi fundamentalists [e.g., Egyptians and Saudis] are trained in airplane hijacking and other forms of terrorism. Through satellite imagery and the testimony of three Iraqi defectors, plaintiffs demonstrated the existence of this facility, called Salman Pak, which has an airplane but no runway."

Judge Baer continued: "The defectors also stated that these fundamentalists were taught methods of hijacking using utensils or short knives. Plaintiffs contend it is farfetched to believe that Iraqi agents trained fundamentalists in a top-secret facility for any purpose other than to promote terrorism."

The failure to turn up Saddam's weapons of mass destruction is being called a stunning intelligence failure. But the far more startling intelligence blunder may turn out to be the Bush administration's decision not to spotlight reams of compelling evidence tying Iraq to 9/11.
 

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FACT: The President stated that Iraq's weapons were A grave and growing danger.

FALSEHOOD: The President never said Imminent Threat.

FACT: Intelligence Services from the US, France, Russia, Germany, and other countries and even the UN Inspectors stated that the probability of the weapons existing was very high. UN Inspector reports state Saddam and Iraq did not corporate completely and still actively impeded the Inspectors.

FALSEHOOD: The President lied.

FACT: Saddam had a long history of not complying with Inspectors? and a history of hiding and deceiving the Inspectors and the world.

FALSEHOOD: He was cooperating.

FACT: The UN Inspectors found missiles that exceeded the UN resolutions in range. New missiles? not old ones.

FALSEHOOD: He was cooperating.

FACT: David Kay?s Interim Report found dozens of WMD related programs and amounts of several strains. They found hidden labs that were not declared. They found the blueprints and plans for extended range missiles and other such material. Read the report and you'll see.

FALSEHOOD: Bush lied.

FACT: David Kay has resigned because his resources were being directed in other directions. Understandable due to the situation.

FALSEHOOD: He was fired or had an issue with the administration

FACT: David Kay stated in his NPR interview yesterday that the Intelligence from two administrations and every major country in the UN (see above) concluded that Iraq had WMD. The only difference was how to deal with it.

FALSEHOOD: Bush lied.

FACT: David Kay said in that same interview? that based on the Intelligence it was reasonable to conclude that Iraq had WMD and they were continuing to develop them and that they were a threat.

FALSEHOOD: Bush lied.

FACT: David Kay also said in that same interview that weapons could have found their way across to Syria, but since Syria wont corporate we?ll never know. Why would they not be willing to corporate?

FASLEHOOD: Bush lied.

:tongue :tongue :tongue
 

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Bush would never lie that draft dodger. What he would do is just give out the reports given to him from his staff. Then they can say the info was wrong. Oldest political game in the books. And yes even folks like Clinton and Reagan and Nixion and on and on use same technic.
 

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AR Another thing I liked on Kaye interview was he was adamant bout Bush telling him to find the truth regardless of what it was.

Fact was we knew he had them and used them and for the life of me I can't figure if it came down to his and familys demise vs simply allowing inspectors in why didn't he do so.?

DJV

"Bush would never lie that draft dodger."

Fact National Guard is arm of military
Question How can one in military be draft dodger?

You and Micheal Moore have lot in common--he realates to pres as dodger-deserter ect yet he he filed for consciensous objector status. LOL
P.S. hope he finds another candidate support--Clarke got what he deserved.

---and a little on past administration staff you mentioned.
Sure is nice to have president almost complete term with no deaths by suicide or accident

Let me give you a few more FACTS bout past administration.
Administration Records Set

- The only president ever impeached strictly on grounds of personal malfeasance

- Most convictions and guilty pleas

- Most Cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation

- Most witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify

- Most witnesses to die suddenly

- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions

- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
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Crime Stats

- Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47

- Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33

- Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61

- Number of imprisonments: 14

- Number of congressional witnesses who have pleaded the Fifth Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 122 (9/99)
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Crimes for Which Convictions Have Been Obtained

Drug trafficking (3), racketeering, extortion, bribery (4), tax evasion, kickbacks, embezzlement (2), fraud (12), conspiracy (5), fraudulent loans, illegal gifts (1), illegal campaign contributions (5), money laundering (6), perjury, obstruction of justice.
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Arkansas Alzheimer's

- Number of times Hillary Clinton said "I don't recall" or its equivalent in a statement to a House investigating committee: 50

- Number of paragraphs in this statement: 42

- Number of times Bill Clinton said "I don't recall" or its equivalent in the released portions of the his testimony on Paula Jones: 271

- Total number of facts or events not recalled before official bodies by Bill Kennedy, Harold Ickes, Ricki Seidman, Bruce Lindsey, Bill Burton, Mark Gearan, Mack McLarty, Neil Eggleston, John Podesta, Jennifer O'Connor, Dwight Holton, Patsy Thomasson, Jeff Eller, Beth Nolan, Cliff Sloan, Bernard Nussbaum, George Stephanopoulous, Roy Neel, Rahm Emanuel, Maggie Williams, David Tarbell, Susan Thomases, Webster Hubbell, Roger Altman, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton: 6,125

- Average occurrence of memory lapse by top administration figures while before official bodies: 235
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Friends of Bill

- Number of times John Huang took the Fifth Amendment in answer to questions during a Judicial Watch deposition: 1,000

- Visits made to the White House by investigation subjects Johnny Chung, James Riady, John Huang, and Charlie Trie: 160

- Number of campaign contributors who got overnights at the White House in the two years before the 1996 election: 577

- Number of members of Thomas Boggs' law firm who have held top positions in the Clinton administration: 18

- Number of times John Huang was briefed by CIA: 37

- Number of calls Huang made from Commerce Department to Lippo banks: 261

- Number of intelligence reports Huang read while at Commerce: 500
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Arkansas Money Management

- Amount of an alleged electronic transfer from the Arkansas Development Financial Authority to a bank in the Cayman Islands during 1980s: $50 million

- Grand Cayman's population: 18,000

- Number of commercial banks: 570

- Number of bank regulators: 1

- Amount Arkansas state pension fund invested in high-risk repos in the mid-1980s in one purchase in April 1985: $52 million through the Worthen Bank.

- Number of days thereafter that the state's brokerage firm went belly up: 3

- Amount Arkansas pension fund dropped overnight as a result: 15 percent

- Percent of Worthen Bank that Mochtar Riady bought over the next four months to bail out the bank and the then-governor, Bill Clinton: 40 percent.

- Percent of purchasers from the Clintons and McDougals of resort lots who lost the land because of the sleazy financing provisions: more than 50 percent
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I running out of room or would give you more. Now I can see how he is Eddie's heros as I can imagine the lawyer fees on all sides during this administration---but for the life of me I can't see how many lemmings there are in this country that blindly look the other way and then whine about trivial stuff like Haiburton ect.
-----but to each their own-------everyone has different ethics they live by.
 

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Getting ready for the attack dogs anyday now. Have to say John Kerry said it right. We may be older and turning gray. But we still know how to fight for our country. Hell of a lot better then Bush or Clinton. One didnt even get to the reserves. The other did then some how didn't have to complete his duty. So draft dodger is off the mark. Just call Bush AOL. And Clinton late to lunch.
As for war with Iraq. Seems it would happen no matter what. Either Paul O'Niell is lieing and no one has said he is. The plan for Iraq was being cooked up before 9/11. 9/11 has became the excuse for many things. We can say what a victory Iraq was. Problem is it's not over. 6 more GI's this week dead. The promise for a democratic Iraq now wavering in the wind. Elections yes but only the way we say they can be held. Really sounds like we went there for the sake of the people. Only if you believe in BS.
As for the info above. Im still waiting for the guilty verdicts from the juries on Clinton and Mrs Clinton. I guess im missd all 500 of them. Only one I remember is about a BJ. Job. I think he lied about that to. Im betting he got a BJ job once aweek for few months. Lucky SOB, she had the right lips for the job.
 
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