Casino Cheating question.. Roulette.

Clem D

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Im writing a book and trying do research on the feasibility of cheating the house. Anyone have any knowledge on the following things:?

A. Ball weight. What its made from.
B. a dealers ability to "bounce" the ball off the wheel and get it to a spectator who is waiting to switch it to a loaded ball?

In my story two dealers and a pitboss are in on the scam as well as security members.

I do know that a good dealer can hit his spots on the wheel and have much evidence to support this in my book, I'm now just trying to see if a loaded ball would make more likely to those spots.

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Roulette Ball 9.5mm / 3/8'' diameter

A white plastic ball suitable for small roulette wheels.

The balls come in all sizes depending on how big the wheel wells are.
 

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ClemD

I hope this is fiction your writing, because I don't think the sea hag would appreciate you going to the big house.

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The trio, who allegedly used a high-tech laser scanner to beat the system at London?s Ritz Club, are well known to Hungarian gambling experts and have been banned from all the top Budapest casinos.

But when the wheel began to roll at the Ritz, the trio stayed cool as one of them allegedly used a scanner hidden in a mobile phone to win ?100,000 on March 16. The following evening, they made a tidy ?1.2 million profit at the Ritz?s roulette table.

The Club?s management, suspecting that the trio were working for an East European syndicate, concluded that they were using a state-of-the-art scanner to predict the outcome of selected spins. And if their suspicions were right, the group could have reduced the odds of winning from 37-1 to 6-1.

Security chiefs suspect that they used the scanner to measure the speed of the ball which, analysed by a computer, would indicate a cluster of numbers within which the ball is likely to land. As they had pocketed a total of ?1.3m in just two days, Scotland Yard was called in.

The group was arrested, their mobile phones seized and hotel rooms searched. Although a lot of cash was found, the three were released on bail because technically they had not broken any laws. They could not be named for legal reasons.

A Scotland Yard spokesman said the Hungarian woman, 32, and the Serbs, 33 and 38, were being investigated ?in connection with allegations of obtaining money by deception through gambling. The allegations were made by a casino in London.?

The Ritz is part of the Barclay brothers? commercial empire, which also includes the Scotsman and Scotland On Sunday newspapers.

The con did not elicit great surprise in Budapest gambling circles. Sandor Bikali, Varkert Casino?s manager, said: ?we too have had gamblers here who had been caught red-handed using similar gadgets abroad. The woman involved in the London incident is on our casino?s blacklist.?

He also confirmed that the alleged laser scanner device was being used in Hungary. ?The operating principle of the gadget is relatively simple,? he said. ?A laser beam measures one position of the inert ball, say, on zero, then when the ball is spun it measures its speed, tracks its movement and works out its likely landing spot.?

But Gyorgy Szabo, a senior university lecturer, is doubtful about the laser scanner widget. ?We know of methods based on estimating the speed of the ball, but the combination of laser scanner and microcomputer is not really a feasible cheating tool because of the time factor involved,? he said.

?To determine the movement of a roulette ball one must have a scanner capable of geometrical measurements. There are two such machines in existence in Hungary, each costing about ?140,000 and weighing 10kg. But to calculate the trajectory of a ball in a few seconds, one would need huge computer power ? impossible to fit into a mobile phone,? added Szabo.

Such practical difficulties tend to suggest another theory is more likely. The Hungarian croupier ?Zoltan?, who has many years? experience, said he believed ?oglers? were behind the Ritz Casino scam and that Serbs are the professionals behind it. He added that there are actual ogler schools in Serbia. Trained to follow the movement of the ball, an ?ogler? can estimate on which part of the wheel it is likely to land and so shorten the odds. ?We call them ?evil eyes?,? added Zoltan.

Whether it was a high-tech scam or an ogler?s con, the Ritz trio have a sporting chance of getting away with it, because anyone accused of cheating in Britain can only be prosecuted under the Gaming Act of 1845 ? and the archaic law is blind to state-of-the-art gadgets.

28 March 2004
 

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those balls that i used when i was croupier were made of fiberglass, they were quite a lot heavier than plastic ones and didn't bounce that much if the wheels speed was low. if wheel was spinning too fast they would bounce all over the place, that is because surface of the ball was extremely hard.

and about getting some certain sector/number on the wheel ? yes, thats easy, use large wheel and heavy ball, place a few play cards under the wheel base so that it is not exactly on level and ball will all ways drop to the spinning wheel from the same spot and keeping wheel spinning on same speed you get what you ( croupier ) want.... it is impossible for naked eye to see if wheel base is right on level ( there usually is a bubble inside cover of the wheels center ) but level can be measured if you place a ball on wheelbases top and watch if it rolls any direction.

happy writing :)
 

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This is starting to compare with trying to figure out what straight dice are going to turn up after hitting the backboard of the craps table....

Maybe this part sounds dumb, but this scanner thing....one would have to have thier bet placed long before the machine could possibly figure out where the ball was going to land???
 

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it's more likely and feasible to manipulate the wheel. Michael konik writes about it in one of his books. Those things take a beating and he writes about being able to determine where the ball is gonna release. I think it was in "Tellling lies and Getting Paid." Good luck Clem
 

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Clem, (or whoever you were in a previous life at SB XXXVII)....not able to help you out with any info, but am curious.....if your book is about cheating the house, why does it deal with dealers, pit bosses and security being in on it? that to me sounds more like cheating the *customers*.
 

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Guys you might find a book called "The Eudaemonic Pie" a good read. It was a true story of some college kids using early microprocessors in their shoes to beat roulette back in the 70's. Great book, don't know if its still in print. By the way, I'm not sure I spelled that E word correct and not sure what it means but it is a real word.
 
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